Ayres

[PAfolwr]

Originally posted by naughty monkey
I believe if you're good enough to finish top 4, you're good enough to win it. 97 and 98 proved that to me.

I also believe Brisbane have been a bit lucky in who they have played in the GFs in the last two years, I believe others could have knocked them off if they had got that far. But that is a whole other debate though!

Adelaide's ladder position didn't quite reflect the true worth of the team for a number of years, including 97 and 98.
Adelaide's ladder position under Ayres is almost the opposite to that.

Over the last 4 years, the best teams did win the premiership.
Not only that, but Collingwood deserved to be in the final the last two years.

 

[PAfolwr]

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Originally posted by dyertribe
Blight drafted/recruited a fair amount of crap in the summer of 98 though. With the exception of Brett Burton and Tyson Stenglein who while decent haven't exactly consistently set the world on fire and Kenny McGregor who even now is only just a solid, honest CHB without being a top-notch defender he brought in:

Lucas Herbert
Brodie Atkinson
Daryl Wintle
Bryan Bienke
Dean Howard
Matt Golding
David Gallagher

Is that the way you top-up a dual Premiership list to go for a third? With recycled failures and general garbage?

Apart from Riewoldt and Koschitzke that were a gimmie at picks 1 & 2, plus promoting Daniel Wulf and Brett Moyle, in 2000 Blight got

Fred Campbell(Sydney),
Damian Monkhorst(Collingwood),
Sean Charles(lots),
Mark Gale (Fremantle),
Robert Powell (Richmond)
Craig Callaghan, (Traded by Fremantle for Matthew Carr)
Matthew Capuano (Traded by Kangaroos for Joe McLaren)
Fraser Gehrig, (Traded by West Coast Eagles for David Sierakowski, draft selection 18 (Daniel Kerr))
Aaron Hamill, (Traded by Carlton for Sam Cranage, draft selection 4 (Luke Livingston))
Steven J. Lawrence, (Traded by Brisbane for draft selection 33 (Martin Pike))

Only used the first two picks in the draft proper for youngsters.

The trend continued.

 

[macca23]

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Originally posted by PAfolwr
Apart from Riewoldt and Koschitzke that were a gimmie at picks 1 & 2, plus promoting Daniel Wulf and Brett Moyle, in 2000 Blight got

Fred Campbell(Sydney),
Damian Monkhorst(Collingwood),
Sean Charles(lots),
Mark Gale (Fremantle),
Robert Powell (Richmond)
Craig Callaghan, (Traded by Fremantle for Matthew Carr)
Matthew Capuano (Traded by Kangaroos for Joe McLaren)
Fraser Gehrig, (Traded by West Coast Eagles for David Sierakowski, draft selection 18 (Daniel Kerr))
Aaron Hamill, (Traded by Carlton for Sam Cranage, draft selection 4 (Luke Livingston))
Steven J. Lawrence, (Traded by Brisbane for draft selection 33 (Martin Pike))
Only used the first two picks in the draft proper for youngsters.

The trend continued.

To quote dyertribe there is a fair amount of "recycled failures and general garbage" in that lot.

The one thing that Blighty did get right in all that claptrap is that he always understood that you must have a strong spine. Apart from the gifts of Reiwoldt and Kokitschke, he did add key forwards such as Gherig and Hamill.

I'd love to have those 4 to add to our spine!!

 

[kirky]

If the worst is to happen and I certainly hope it doesn't, perhaps this letter may reach the AFC.


The Board
AFC
Brebner Drive
West Lakes

I hereby tender my resignation as senior coach of the AFC and offer the reasons for my decision:-

1. my stubborness and refusal to listen to any of my coaching staff. as Frank would have said - "I did it my way"
2. my failure in recruiting a drug addict against the better judgement of my support staff who advised better options were available. this sorry individual would have been more at home up the road.
3. my continued insistence in playing Kenny at CHF when he has established himself as a CHB and knowing that my two yo nephew would provided better contests
4. not listening to Trevor and Daryl who seemed to identify the coaching manouevres 30 minutes before I did. perhaps if they were in the coaching box we may have had more success.


Yours sincerely

GA

 

[PAfolwr]

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Originally posted by macca23
To quote dyertribe there is a fair amount of "recycled failures and general garbage" in that lot.

The one thing that Blighty did get right in all that claptrap is that he always understood that you must have a strong spine. Apart from the gifts of Reiwoldt and Kokitschke, he did add key forwards such as Gherig and Hamill.

I'd love to have those 4 to add to our spine!!

True, but all 4 fell on his lap.

 

[DaveW]

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Originally posted by PAfolwr
True, but all 4 fell on his lap.

Your previous posts suggests he had to do a bit of manouvering to get Gehrig and Hammil.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by PAfolwr
When he was recruited, it seems as if he was given a "job", and that was to try and win the premiership with largely the list the Crows had by patching it up here and there, even though the year before was not a very good one. Crows supporters expectations at times seem to have been (notice past tense) a bit ... well... shall we say unrealistic.
Even though he failed at winning the big one, one can say he has done well in that regard, as apart from Crows fans, not many others thought the list was that good, and the end results achieved have been fairly high.
In order to do that, recruiting has been a bit kind of short sighted.

It now appears that he (and most likely others within the establishment) have finally bitten the bullet, and started recruiting with an eye to the future, and adjusting game plans and the like. That will take time.

Now comes the question (tadaa!!)

1. How successful has he been with the Crows wrt ladder positions given the list he had, and

Don't think you can fault Ayres much from 2000 to 2002 as Ayres partially rebuilt the team with a better work ethic & made us a top-4 contender by 2002. Did better than what I expected overall. Problem has been 2003 & beyond where we appear to have gone backwards!

Originally posted by PAfolwr
2. What does he have to show this year so that he will be "guaranteed" a longish term contract with a bit of latitude and freedom to seriously try and build a team that will be good for a while, even though short term there may be a bit of pain. Although I cannot see that being quite the Freo or St Kilda type pain given your players.

Needs a minimum of a top-4 finish & improvement in/establishment of youngsters in the side which give us hope of giving the flag a crack. Would appear unlikely.

 

[maccas_no1]

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Originally posted by PAfolwr
And what will your expectations be if/when a new coach takes over?

Well we have all said from next season the AFC will go through some sort of rebuild weather it is a large or small one is yet to be known but with good recruiting and a SMART coach I would expect Final within 2-3 yrs and premierships 4-5 yrs, ultimatley every club is out there to win a flag, some clubs have good personnel and when the club goes through a rebuild then they recruit well, the AFC needs to recruit well

 

[naughty monkey]

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Originally posted by PAfolwr
Apart from Riewoldt and Koschitzke that were a gimmie at picks 1 & 2, plus promoting Daniel Wulf and Brett Moyle, in 2000 Blight got

Fred Campbell(Sydney),
Damian Monkhorst(Collingwood),
Sean Charles(lots),
Mark Gale (Fremantle),
Robert Powell (Richmond)
Craig Callaghan, (Traded by Fremantle for Matthew Carr)
Matthew Capuano (Traded by Kangaroos for Joe McLaren)
Fraser Gehrig, (Traded by West Coast Eagles for David Sierakowski, draft selection 18 (Daniel Kerr))
Aaron Hamill, (Traded by Carlton for Sam Cranage, draft selection 4 (Luke Livingston))
Steven J. Lawrence, (Traded by Brisbane for draft selection 33 (Martin Pike))

Only used the first two picks in the draft proper for youngsters.

The trend continued.

If memory serves then Blight didn't sign with St Kilda until AFTER the trading period. What relevance he has to the above players is beyond me.

 

[PAfolwr]

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Originally posted by naughty monkey
If memory serves then Blight didn't sign with St Kilda until AFTER the trading period. What relevance he has to the above players is beyond me.

The way I remember it, he got the job before the draft, but by then the Saints already had picks 1 and 2, plus Gehrig and Hamil all stitched up.
He was the one that went after Capuano etc.
All those meetings at the Gold Coast with the team leaders etc.

Then again, I could be wrong.

 

[naughty monkey]

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Originally posted by dyertribe
Blight drafted/recruited a fair amount of crap in the summer of 98 though. With the exception of Brett Burton and Tyson Stenglein who while decent haven't exactly consistently set the world on fire and Kenny McGregor who even now is only just a solid, honest CHB without being a top-notch defender he brought in:

Lucas Herbert
Brodie Atkinson
Daryl Wintle
Bryan Bienke
Dean Howard
Matt Golding
David Gallagher

Is that the way you top-up a dual Premiership list to go for a third? With recycled failures and general garbage?

Yes - in hindsight they were mostly crap. But they weren't the reason the AFC finished 13th in 99.