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I saw a helpful comment possibly on the main board (yes I know) saying that since f/s and academy selections are a bonus to the club in question they should pay 10% overs to jump up the order rather than get a 10% discount ...
I kinda get people saying getting the kid you want (who has trained with you) is the advantage. But really just avoid the extra complications. Adjust the points and get rid of any % issues. It doesn't do anything but make it more complex.
 
From Gettable today - AFL met with CEOs last week about 2026 draft changes. Matching bids will have to be done with a clubs next two picks, reduction of the 10% discount, clubs only allowed as many picks as they have list spots available THROUGHOUT the draft.
I’m really frustrated by this ‘next 2 picks’ change.

It makes it virtually impossible to draft a top 5 F/S or Academy kid.

Let’s say a kid is pick 3 : 2178 points are needed with discount no longer available.
If the club finishes 4th, pick 15 is worth 973 points.

1205 points are still needed. Equivalent to pick 11.

A future 1st (for a team who just finished 4th) won’t get the deal done for pick 11. The team with pick 11 may be very unwilling to trade it as well. Plus you may need more points in case the pick 3 goes higher.

You end up looking at future 1st, a 2nd round, or player.

End up having to sell the farm and goodbye to any chance of drafting next years academy players.
 
So to get highly rated Academy and Father Sons it means clubs will have to trade up rather than trade back to keep access.
Especially for teams higher up the ladder.
Teams down the bottom of the ladder might have a bit more to play with and may be able to trade back to get 2 picks for 1.

It is going to make it very tough to get any more than 1 highly rated kid. Especially too 5-10 rated kids.

No more multiple first rounders for GC.
 
I’m really frustrated by this ‘next 2 picks’ change.

It makes it virtually impossible to draft a top 5 F/S or Academy kid.

Let’s say a kid is pick 3 : 2178 points are needed with discount no longer available.
If the club finishes 4th, pick 15 is worth 973 points.

1205 points are still needed. Equivalent to pick 11.

A future 1st (for a team who just finished 4th) won’t get the deal done for pick 11. The team with pick 11 may be very unwilling to trade it as well. Plus you may need more points in case the pick 3 goes higher.

You end up looking at future 1st, a 2nd round, or player.

End up having to sell the farm and goodbye to any chance of drafting next years academy players.
Might have been better to say that you need atleast 1 pick within 10 picks in the draft and then the rest made up by points to match.
 

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I’m really frustrated by this ‘next 2 picks’ change.

It makes it virtually impossible to draft a top 5 F/S or Academy kid.

Let’s say a kid is pick 3 : 2178 points are needed with discount no longer available.
If the club finishes 4th, pick 15 is worth 973 points.

1205 points are still needed. Equivalent to pick 11.

A future 1st (for a team who just finished 4th) won’t get the deal done for pick 11. The team with pick 11 may be very unwilling to trade it as well. Plus you may need more points in case the pick 3 goes higher.

You end up looking at future 1st, a 2nd round, or player.

End up having to sell the farm and goodbye to any chance of drafting next years academy players.
I think the Vic Media and other non-academy states have decided that northern states have no right to a top 5 talent if they have played finals - which is as you say is effectively what this change does. If you finish in the top 4 even if you have been the difference to a draft prospect through the academy process the player is still only available for the bottom teams without huge sacrifices from the high finishing team. It is a hard pill to swallow with long term planning but I think it is 'fairer' than a blanket no access in the top 10 rule as it is still possible just very difficult to achieve.

I hope though that the go home factor starts to bite in all directions and a highly rated Qld or NSW player requests a move back to their home state and a trade can get done. It will mean we will need to be more selective with academy players while we stay at the top - or we have to have more academy project players and develop them into key cogs of the overall Lions premiership machine - which luckily we are in a position to do.

Next year it may be bite us straight away - we may have to choose between Murray and Owen (depending of course on where each is bid on) with the potential to get some of our other prospects later in the piece as that project type player (very speculative with a year to go but the likes of Hodge, Geesu, Waller, Bridge, Cameron, McPherson hopefully are late picks we are able to match). It does though show that maybe we should have taken the F2 and F3 and run for Ah Chee but hindsight is a wonderful thing - hopefully our stance leads to improved trade outcomes in the future (not sure on this but hope so as teams know we won't 'settle' for what seems like unders).

Also as pointed out in 27 with many possible 'good' prospects without a current superstar hopefully we can still match several (including a new wave of KPP to go with our mids) even after the fourpeat.
 
At this point, I would be telling the players to fake an injury or tanking their final year. Grab em' for cheap. I don't give an ass about what the VFL thinks about it.

I don’t know that asking a player to do that is the best introduction. Perhaps if they want to stay in Brisbane they could just tell all of the other teams not to draft them, like the VFL kids do.
 
I don’t know that asking a player to do that is the best introduction. Perhaps if they want to stay in Brisbane they could just tell all of the other teams not to draft them, like the VFL kids do.
We've seen how much of an affect injuries (even minor) or inconsistent form has had on the draft. You had players ranked in the top 20 earlier this season sliding massively due to this. Let's say we had a top 10 academy pick, and he somehow had a poor end of year performance, that alone would be enough to push him down far enough for us to easily nab him. Of course i don't think the club would go that route, but I do think the club should start looking at this proactively and seeing if they're ways to make our top players less draftable by interstate clubs. Even a minor pick slide (i.e;, someone who is a major flight risk) would help us immensely.

I've seen the new proposed matching system. It would be almost impossible for us to match anyone in the top 5 if we won the flag, and the only way we would have gotten Annable this season (had the rules been in place this season) would have been to trade someone like Zac Bailey or trade out the next 2 drafts to secure top picks.
 
Northern clubs would be well within their rights to say they will stop funding the academies.

Would be a blow to the AFL, who will either have to step in to fund the academies or close them and lose ground on their attempts to expand into “non-AFL states”.

What’s the point of sinking resources into high end talent by developing them, only to see another club benefit from the fruits of your labour?

The changes make more sense from a father son/daughter perspective, where the investment is generally more relationship-based than actually developing the player/providing pathways.
 
We've seen how much of an affect injuries (even minor) or inconsistent form has had on the draft. You had players ranked in the top 20 earlier this season sliding massively due to this. Let's say we had a top 10 academy pick, and he somehow had a poor end of year performance, that alone would be enough to push him down far enough for us to easily nab him. Of course i don't think the club would go that route, but I do think the club should start looking at this proactively and seeing if they're ways to make our top players less draftable by interstate clubs. Even a minor pick slide (i.e;, someone who is a major flight risk) would help us immensely.

I've seen the new proposed matching system. It would be almost impossible for us to match anyone in the top 5 if we won the flag, and the only way we would have gotten Annable this season (had the rules been in place this season) would have been to trade someone like Zac Bailey or trade out the next 2 drafts to secure top picks.

What gives us the right to jeopardise a young players career and options or to even suggest it.

I’m all for them flight risking themselves pre draft if that’s what they want. But they should be looking to excel in the lead up to the draft. We shouldn’t be able to draft every single academy player.
 
What gives us the right to jeopardise a young players career and options or to even suggest it.

I’m all for them flight risking themselves pre draft if that’s what they want. But they should be looking to excel in the lead up to the draft. We shouldn’t be able to draft every single academy player.
Then what gives us the right to pour millions into an academy if we can't even draft these players anymore? The academy is meant to benefit this club, and if we're losing those benefits, then why pour all the resources in it in the first place?
 

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Then what gives us the right to pour millions into an academy if we can't even draft these players anymore? The academy is meant to benefit this club, and if we're losing those benefits, then why pour all the resources in it in the first place?

No the academy is meant to benefit the talent pool of the league and grow the game and talent pathways up here. Our reward for that is the ability to draft some players from the academy. Not all of them.

If we have 4 first round academy prospects we should only be able to take a max of 2 imo.
 
No the academy is meant to benefit the talent pool of the league and grow the game and talent pathways up here. Our reward for that is the ability to draft some players from the academy. Not all of them.

If we have 4 first round academy prospects we should only be able to take a max of 2 imo.
We're not drafting Dan Annable had those rules been in place this season. I don't mind capping in the players we can bring in, but if we can't bring in the top ones, then I hope the club tells the AFL they're closing it. Knowing how spineless the league is, they will probably change the rules against upon hearing that threat.
 
Then what gives us the right to pour millions into an academy if we can't even draft these players anymore? The academy is meant to benefit this club, and if we're losing those benefits, then why pour all the resources in it in the first place?
It's debatable how much our academy has changed things for young players so far, honestly. Perhaps those players would have gone on to be good anyway, but we don't know. And unlike Gold Coast and Sydney, I don't think any of our drafted academy prospects for a while now have had promising rugby league or union careers they would have gone onto instead. The academy couldn't quite swing Kalyn Ponga to us.
 
We're not drafting Dan Annable had those rules been in place this season. I don't mind capping in the players we can bring in, but if we can't bring in the top ones, then I hope the club tells the AFL they're closing it. Knowing how spineless the league is, they will probably change the rules against upon hearing that threat.

Couldn’t we? Had the rules been in place could we have made different moves last year, this year and in future trading to get him (including deficit)?
 
No the academy is meant to benefit the talent pool of the league and grow the game and talent pathways up here. Our reward for that is the ability to draft some players from the academy. Not all of them.

If we have 4 first round academy prospects we should only be able to take a max of 2 imo.

That was the old rule, but of course that changed this year with Gold Coast expected to improve and make finals 🤔🤔🤔
 
That was the old rule, but of course that changed this year with Gold Coast expected to improve and make finals 🤔🤔🤔

Are you saying my new narrative on the mainboard should be that the lions are actually misunderstood and disadvantaged in every sense.
 

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Couldn’t we? Had the rules been in place could we have made different moves last year, this year and in future trading to get him (including deficit)?
I think it depends. The new bidding system for someone who is pick 6 would be pick 7+ 48 or two picks like 16+17. Essentially, anything in the first round, especially in the top 10 requires two first rounders to match, or one first rounder that's basically equal coupled with a later pick
 
At this point, I would be telling the players to fake an injury or tanking their final year. Grab em' for cheap. I don't give an ass about what the VFL thinks about it.
Going down the road of tanking is fraught with danger. Encouraging players to fake injuries or deliberately underperform doesn’t set the right example and risks undermining the integrity of both the team and the club. More importantly, it erodes the culture of accountability, resilience, and continuous improvement that successful clubs strive to build.

I would rather promote a strong culture of performance excellence which is far more valuable in the long run than any short‑term gain from cutting a few draft positions.

Who would want to come to a club that instructs you to underperform?
 
I think it depends. The new bidding system for someone who is pick 6 would be pick 7+ 48 or two picks like 16+17. Essentially, anything in the first round, especially in the top 10 requires two first rounders to match, or one first rounder that's basically equal coupled with a later pick

I think we could have achieved something like 16+17, but it would have wiped out maybe this year and next year. Or last year and this year.

Which if you’re at the pointy end of the comp isn’t too bad to get one of the best players in the draft. Of course I’d like it to be less.
 
Going down the road of tanking is fraught with danger. Encouraging players to fake injuries or deliberately underperform doesn’t set the right example and risks undermining the integrity of both the team and the club. More importantly, it erodes the culture of accountability, resilience, and continuous improvement that successful clubs strive to build.

I would rather promote a strong culture of performance excellence which is far more valuable in the long run than any short‑term gain from cutting a few draft positions.

Who would want to come to a club that instructs you to underperform?

Basically this. Thank you Irel.
 
Are you saying my new narrative on the mainboard should be that the lions are actually misunderstood and disadvantaged in every sense.
Maybe he means the narrative should be that Elixuh is a misunderstood and disadvantaged genius.
 
All this pandering to Vic clubs, its disgusting. I'd love to see all the academies threaten to shut up shop.

Its never going to be entirely equal, so stop trying to make it so. This year already several academy players already made their way on to other teams' lists, so the system is working.

Instead of giving in to irrelevant clubs like St Kilda, put the onus on them to contribute more.

Current AFL management continues to show themselves to be utterly out of their depth and incompetent. The sooner the head honchos are out the door the better.
 

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