Backline Woes

[Pera]

Could we seriously have the worst collection of backs in the competition? There is absolutely no drive or attacking mindset from any of them and when they are actually called on to defend, we concede some of the easiet goals youre ever likely to see.

We had a backline today of Sinclair, Toovey, Marsh, Frost, Williams, Langdon and Maynard. Now I see where Bucks is coming from. If you have the pressure up the ground, then those 6 can do a serviceable job defending. But when our mids are obviously down like today, we dont have the rebound or skills out of the backline to score against the tide.

The fact we continue to draft and recruit mids is seriously concerning. We haven't even fired a shot in replacing a gun flanker like Heath Shaw.

Marsh and Frost will be handy players with their aerobic capacity and size but both are seriously lacking in skill and general footy smarts. Sinclair has zip but isnt the answer long term.

Tommy Langdon is far too slow, his hang time on his kicks and handballs would bring rain along the Nile and kill us more often than not, and hes lost his high ball intercept marking this year.

Tooves was seriously struggling today. Has no lateral movement and have noticed his right knee has been strapped the last few weeks. Its his take off leg and hes lost a step or two. Put him on ice.

Maynard will be OK but he was stuck in between guarding a man and turf today. That comes down to bad coaching though.

Marley is an absolute star and needs a chop out. Jack Ramsay will be a good addition next year and I guess we're all still hoping Scharenberg comes good.

But is there any chance we can throw the money we are offering Treloar for an actual decent rebounding defender? Hell, maybe even draft one? When are these holes in the backline going to be plugged? Why have we let it continue to be an issue for this long?

 

[Kappa]

Backline woes...

midfield woes..

forwardline woes..

Is there any where on the field we don't have woes?

 

[TheFreshBanana]

It really isn't. We all know at least Sinclair, Toovey, Frost and Williams can defend.

Williams is the best of the bunch when attacking, while it's hard to judge Maynard and Marsh and Langdon is more of a Jack of all trades.

I'm telling you, it is purely coming down to the gameplan. For some reason or another, they are being coached to defend that way and it's just not working.

I refuse to believe that the players of Sinclair, Toovey, Frost and Williams, all who at one point another we were raving for legitimate reasons about their defending, have all suddenly gone to shit purely based on their performance.

It's the gameplan.

 

[Rustin Cohle]

You just cannot carry so many terrible kicks of the football in modern AFL football. Period.

You might be able to get away with one or two if they're elite defenders but not an entire back 6-7.

 

[TradeDraft]

We have Woes everywhere at the Moment

 

[mike123]

It's the gameplan.

This, but but I think your giving Toover too much credit. He has to go.

 

[Robroy22]

Backline woes...

midfield woes..

forwardline woes..

Is there any where on the field we don't have woes?

Sponsorhip?

 

[Kappa]

It really isn't. We all know at least Sinclair, Toovey, Frost and Williams can defend.

Williams is the best of the bunch when attacking, while it's hard to judge Maynard and Marsh and Langdon is more of a Jack of all trades.

I'm telling you, it is purely coming down to the gameplan. For some reason or another, they are being coached to defend that way and it's just not working.

I refuse to believe that the players of Sinclair, Toovey, Frost and Williams, all who at one point another we were raving for legitimate reasons about their defending, have all suddenly gone to shit purely based on their performance.

It's the gameplan.

Modern defenders need to be able to attack as well as defend.

Most of our defenders are incompetent with ball in hand.

Williams is probably one of our better kicks in our backline and he is below AFL average.

 

[coolcarlito]

It is simple. Our backline has no footy smart or no footy brain or whatever you wanna call it.
All the backline players from late rounds of national draft and rookie draft. They are overseen by rival clubs for a reason. Lack of skill and lack of intelligence.
It is the first time I wanna Ben Reid go back to backline.
Felt so sad to compare this backline with 2011 backline.

 

[BoxMatrix]

Backline woes...

midfield woes..

forwardline woes..

Is there any where on the field we don't have woes?

We're a bottom 3 side. Simple as that.

 

[tesselate_]

We're a bottom 3 side. Simple as that.

Hahahah this board is so toxic

 

[DAWESOME!!]

Weird complaint tray we haven't sought to draft or develop small/medium defenders. What are Scharenberg, Maynard, Ramsay, Williams, Oxley, in addition to Sinclair?

Our list is actually deeper in medium defenders than anywhere else.

 

[BoxMatrix]

Hahahah this board is so toxic

Looking at the ladder, the only teams we could beat is Carlton and Essendon.

 

[Pendles!]

How can you say they haven't tried to address the back line when they've recruited Ramsay, Scharenberg, Maynard, Langdon and Marsh in the past 2 years? Thats almost a full back 6.

Toovey needs to go, Ramsay's injury has killed us in that respect. Frost is a good athlete, but he's not a footballer. Sinclair is crap also.

For me its the most important 6 players on the ground. The problem they're just so inexperienced and its the one line on the field that if there are no leaders then you're f***ed. We are hanging for some leaders back there. Reid should go back, but he's just so underdone its not funny.

Fact is though, any backline comp is going to be f***ed if the pressure applied by the mids and fwd's is like it was today.

 

[Brad Goodman]

We had nobody to play on Vickery today, less easy marks for him with Brown on him and the game unfolds very differently. Not saying we would've won with Brown but it shows we haven't got cover for him.

 

[mike123]

I like Langdon and he is playing well but he is so Vanilla.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

Could we seriously have the worst collection of backs in the competition? There is absolutely no drive or attacking mindset from any of them and when they are actually called on to defend, we concede some of the easiet goals youre ever likely to see.

We had a backline today of Sinclair, Toovey, Marsh, Frost, Williams, Langdon and Maynard. Now I see where Bucks is coming from. If you have the pressure up the ground, then those 6 can do a serviceable job defending. But when our mids are obviously down like today, we dont have the rebound or skills out of the backline to score against the tide.

The fact we continue to draft and recruit mids is seriously concerning. We haven't even fired a shot in replacing a gun flanker like Heath Shaw.

Marsh and Frost will be handy players with their aerobic capacity and size but both are seriously lacking in skill and general footy smarts. Sinclair has zip but isnt the answer long term.

Tommy Langdon is far too slow, his hang time on his kicks and handballs would bring rain along the Nile and kill us more often than not, and hes lost his high ball intercept marking this year.

Tooves was seriously struggling today. Has no lateral movement and have noticed his right knee has been strapped the last few weeks. Its his take off leg and hes lost a step or two. Put him on ice.

Maynard will be OK but he was stuck in between guarding a man and turf today. That comes down to bad coaching though.

Marley is an absolute star and needs a chop out. Jack Ramsay will be a good addition next year and I guess we're all still hoping Scharenberg comes good.

But is there any chance we can throw the money we are offering Treloar for an actual decent rebounding defender? Hell, maybe even draft one? When are these holes in the backline going to be plugged? Why have we let it continue to be an issue for this long?

Could we seriously have the worst collection of backs in the competition? There is absolutely no drive or attacking mindset from any of them and when they are actually called on to defend, we concede some of the easiet goals youre ever likely to see.

We had a backline today of Sinclair, Toovey, Marsh, Frost, Williams, Langdon and Maynard. Now I see where Bucks is coming from. If you have the pressure up the ground, then those 6 can do a serviceable job defending. But when our mids are obviously down like today, we dont have the rebound or skills out of the backline to score against the tide.

The fact we continue to draft and recruit mids is seriously concerning. We haven't even fired a shot in replacing a gun flanker like Heath Shaw.

Marsh and Frost will be handy players with their aerobic capacity and size but both are seriously lacking in skill and general footy smarts. Sinclair has zip but isnt the answer long term.

Tommy Langdon is far too slow, his hang time on his kicks and handballs would bring rain along the Nile and kill us more often than not, and hes lost his high ball intercept marking this year.

Tooves was seriously struggling today. Has no lateral movement and have noticed his right knee has been strapped the last few weeks. Its his take off leg and hes lost a step or two. Put him on ice.

Maynard will be OK but he was stuck in between guarding a man and turf today. That comes down to bad coaching though.

Marley is an absolute star and needs a chop out. Jack Ramsay will be a good addition next year and I guess we're all still hoping Scharenberg comes good.

But is there any chance we can throw the money we are offering Treloar for an actual decent rebounding defender? Hell, maybe even draft one? When are these holes in the backline going to be plugged? Why have we let it continue to be an issue for this long?

What were you expecting, they are all young and inexperienced.
Williams and Langdon will be absolutely stars in time. Your blind critique of Langdon as being slow is quite comical when you consider he is one of the only players in the whole team with composure under pressure. He was poor today as was Marley, but they have been great this season.
Scharenberg will hopefully add class, Marsh looks promising and Frost is playing what, his 40th senior game?
It will take time, but they will be good.
Oxley could add some kicking polish next year and Toovey is a fair chance to be moved out you'd think.

 

[TradeDraft]

Why Sinclair gets a Game ahead of Schranberg is beyond me.

Have a Class player in the Reserves over a Player who uses the ball Terribly?

 

[Pera]

Weird complaint tray we haven't sought to draft or develop small/medium defenders. What are Scharenberg, Maynard, Ramsay, Williams, Oxley, in addition to Sinclair?

Our list is actually deeper in medium defenders than anywhere else.

Deeper in what, shit? If this is the current cream of the crop, then we are in worse nick than first thought. Simply swinging a bloke back because he cant make it as a forward isnt actually solving a problem. It's simply filling a hole.

Oxley is a wingman and Sinclair has been swung back. Maynard was drafted as a lock down back pocket, not a rebounding defender. We continue to throw money at inside mids and trade away gun half backs like Shaw, yet use a solve as we go approach in regards to rebound.

 

[Tippy78]

We had nobody to play on Vickery today, less easy marks for him with Brown on him and the game unfolds very differently. Not saying we would've won with Brown but it shows we haven't got cover for him.

Anybody playing on him would have been a start! We started with a spare man deep in the defence at every centre bounce, but whenever Vickery got near the ball he took almost all uncontested marks. The zoning, and run off your man at all costs mentality has failed badly in recent weeks and today was the worst for the season.

 

[Pendles!]

Deeper in what, shit? If this is the current cream of the crop, then we are in worse nick than first thought. Simply swinging a bloke back because he cant make it as a forward isnt actually solving a problem. It's simply filling a hole.

Oxley is a wingman and Sinclair has been swung back. Maynard was drafted as a lock down back pocket, not a rebounding defender. We continue to throw money at inside mids and trade away gun half backs like Shaw, yet use a solve as we go approach in regards to rebound.

Maynard was not drafted as a lockdown back pocket lol, now you're just being silly... A rebounding defender was literally exactly what he was recruited for.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Hahahah this board is so toxic

You just learn to ignore the toxic posters
See their names, skip.
Constructive criticism fair enough, reasoned argument fair enough
But some just bag everything, everyone all the time. But they are perfect without flaw.

It must be hard being so perfect and "supporting" an imperfect team

 

[TradeDraft]

Maynard was not drafted as a lockdown back pocket lol, now you're just being silly... A rebounding defender was literally exactly what he was recruited for.

and Also can push into the Midfield once his Engine gets better

 

[mike123]

Deeper in what, shit? If this is the current cream of the crop, then we are in worse nick than first thought. Simply swinging a bloke back because he cant make it as a forward isnt actually solving a problem. It's simply filling a hole.

Oxley is a wingman and Sinclair has been swung back. Maynard was drafted as a lock down back pocket, not a rebounding defender. We continue to throw money at inside mids and trade away gun half backs like Shaw, yet use a solve as we go approach in regards to rebound.

Oxley has played plenty of games at half back.

 

[sr36]

It's the system, not the personnel.