that one L actually is getting to me slowly
Roast Balta up forward is the result of the historical failures of our recruiters to actualy draft and develop KPF.
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Balta needs a solid 10 to 12 games in the forward line with the back six (our strongest line) bloody well doing their job properly so he is not needed.
Miller Broad Gibcus Vlastuin Rioli Short Tresise Brown Banks are an above average line who should be able to accommodate most forward lines. We have had the right systems set for along time.
Even Kositche has played very well as a key back in recent years, not that you lot would have watched many Hawthorn games.
Balta has shown enough playing forward when required to indicate he could kick 40 or 50 goals a.year. He's only played 2 or 3 games in a row their, alons qith other single game spats, but he has kicked goals there including a small bag of 2 or 3 IIRC.
Natural athlete, quick off the mark. Great hands, great at ground and massive roost. His attributes are wasted in the back line.
He needs time. We probably ain't playing finals so there's more risk to our medium term success by not parking him there.
Miller Broad Gibcus Vlastuin Rioli Short Tresise Brown Banks are an above average line who should be able to accommodate most forward lines. We have had the right systems set for along time.
Even Kositche has played very well as a key back in recent years, not that you lot would have watched many Hawthorn games.
Balta has shown enough playing forward when required to indicate he could kick 40 or 50 goals a.year. He's only played 2 or 3 games in a row their, alons qith other single game spats, but he has kicked goals there including a small bag of 2 or 3 IIRC.
Natural athlete, quick off the mark. Great hands, great at ground and massive roost. His attributes are wasted in the back line.
He needs time. We probably ain't playing finals so there's more risk to our medium term success by not parking him there.
when did you turn into a balta fwd type of person
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On the record as always having been!
i can respect that
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Draft guru states we've had 329 picks in all drafts since they began in 1981. In that entire time we've only successfully drafted and developed 2 quality KPF's (Richo fell in our laps so reality is its been 1/328 with Jack). Time and again we've drafted duds who failed to even have minimal impact. For context our next most successful pseudo fwd's were really rucks in Ottens and Vickery.
I've listened to and watched every draft of easily the last 20 years and some failed selections have had me slam my fist on the the table in frustration. Recent balls up no brainers were Brown over JVR, CCJ over Oscar Allen. Conca when Lynch was ripe for the plucking and a perfect ready made replacement after losing Richo a year earlier. Fiora over Pavlich...... the list is endless. The worst thing is Jay Schultz is the only KPF we've drafted that actually went elsewhere and turned out had some actual ability. Besides McBean dominating in SANFL all the rest fell into complete obscurity.
The really lousy thing is just by picking best available player in the Draft our KPF stocks would be healthy with a gun Oscar Allen, JVR developing with assistance from either Ryan, Bauer or Kozitsche fighting for a spot. Our KPD would be solid with Balta, Gibcus developing and Young. Losing Balta down back pretty much telegraphs the team will play Grimes, when realistically he shouldn't be playing. Domino effect is that really Grimes will be keeping out and delaying the development of Tom Brown and I'll be shocked if JVR doesn't kick 40 goals this year.
Even last off season they judged that Bradtke was better than Narkle. Bradtke came and went whilst Narkle played a few games in a dominant team and has been extended. I have little faith that we can actually draft a quality KPF before Tassie come in and compromise the draft for 3-4 years.
Seeing the crazy salaries that duds like Doedee, McKay, Ratagolea, Zerk-Thatcher all got last year I'm tipping no less than a dozen teams are watching the Balta experiment and if it fails watch all the buzzards offer a frustrated and jaded Balta 7 x $1,000,000 with guarantees of settling him in defence.
Can't agree.
RFC appears to have a fan base obsessed with KPF. Even from the days of Roach and Taylor and before that. We can never have enough quality key forwards and nothing is right without multiple great key forwards so when we won in 2017 it turned every thing upside down, Richo cried and JR was not a bad player.
I actually thing Balta is a awkward option as a forward for opposition teams, he seems to gel with Kosi as they are both handy at minimum and Lynch is a good player and Gibcus has real promise to so we do not lack for forward options but some in our fan base are never satisfied
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you're starting to act like dhk tiger over this cuzBump
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Can assure you it's not an act. I'll be bumping posts from 2 years back after every bag he kicks so strap yourselves in!
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lets see him do it in the real stuff
This is OP is one of the more perplexing posts I've seen on this forum for awhile. We've won 3 flags in the most recent era and are now rebuilding the list so it's no wonder that we've prioritised other areas as opposed to KPF.
The reason we so sparingly targeted key forwards is because there are two spots available and arguably so few elite level key forwards available in each draft and we already had Riewoldt and Lynch.
You've aptly pointed out that we already had players in those positions for most of the previous 20-30 years.
Richo arguably ruined the development of other blokes as he was played deep forward and simply demanded the football all of the time. He destroyed forward structure year after year. It was on the coaching group to remedy that but they didn't because he had a force of personality and the backing of the fan base, but that's why blokes like Shulz and Ben Holland were shifted to the backline and played good footy there.
We drafted and developed Ottens as a forward initially only to give him away and piss the draft hand up the wall.
Previous to that we selected Jurica high up but footy moved on from big men who simply led up at the footy. Looking any earlier than about 1995 and you're looking at the under 19s where there were plenty of blokes like Hogg and Stewart Edwards who came through also
Balta was drafted as a forward. Yes he played some of his best footy down back where we needed someone to step in when Rance and Astbury went earlier but there's no reason, and the weekend is evidence, that he can't be a very good key forward.
You're obsessed with game breaking forwards when history shows that you need an even spread of goals since the early 90s to become a flag side and Collingwood just won a flag with Brodie Miochek up there.
Every side has a litany of draft failures, misses and otherwise on their records but the histrionics here over not taking Oscar Allen, who by the way appears to be made of glass and will very likely play out his career in a bottom dwelling side that targets him exclusively is pretty amusing.
Also characterising draft kids as 'no brainers' is ridiculous Captain Hindsight behaviour. At no stage were Lynch or JVR ever viewed that way and were consequently overlooked by half a dozen other teams. The generational KPF's of our time in Schache, Tom Boyd and Jesse Hogan have all panned out terrifically. They were all 'no brainers' but you don't seem as concerned about them.......
Drafting is an imprecise science and you don't get blokes like Logan McDonald or the King boys unless you're finishing down the bottom and when you are doing that you increase your chances of cooking them because of the overreliance on a 19 year old to do it all for you.
Let Balta have the time his talent deserves and back him.
The reason we so sparingly targeted key forwards is because there are two spots available and arguably so few elite level key forwards available in each draft and we already had Riewoldt and Lynch.
You've aptly pointed out that we already had players in those positions for most of the previous 20-30 years.
Richo arguably ruined the development of other blokes as he was played deep forward and simply demanded the football all of the time. He destroyed forward structure year after year. It was on the coaching group to remedy that but they didn't because he had a force of personality and the backing of the fan base, but that's why blokes like Shulz and Ben Holland were shifted to the backline and played good footy there.
We drafted and developed Ottens as a forward initially only to give him away and piss the draft hand up the wall.
Previous to that we selected Jurica high up but footy moved on from big men who simply led up at the footy. Looking any earlier than about 1995 and you're looking at the under 19s where there were plenty of blokes like Hogg and Stewart Edwards who came through also
Balta was drafted as a forward. Yes he played some of his best footy down back where we needed someone to step in when Rance and Astbury went earlier but there's no reason, and the weekend is evidence, that he can't be a very good key forward.
You're obsessed with game breaking forwards when history shows that you need an even spread of goals since the early 90s to become a flag side and Collingwood just won a flag with Brodie Miochek up there.
Every side has a litany of draft failures, misses and otherwise on their records but the histrionics here over not taking Oscar Allen, who by the way appears to be made of glass and will very likely play out his career in a bottom dwelling side that targets him exclusively is pretty amusing.
Also characterising draft kids as 'no brainers' is ridiculous Captain Hindsight behaviour. At no stage were Lynch or JVR ever viewed that way and were consequently overlooked by half a dozen other teams. The generational KPF's of our time in Schache, Tom Boyd and Jesse Hogan have all panned out terrifically. They were all 'no brainers' but you don't seem as concerned about them.......
Drafting is an imprecise science and you don't get blokes like Logan McDonald or the King boys unless you're finishing down the bottom and when you are doing that you increase your chances of cooking them because of the overreliance on a 19 year old to do it all for you.
Let Balta have the time his talent deserves and back him.
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No he hasnt, not since U18's
Agree with the rest, Balta will be a gun forward this year.
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Idk I think he has the physique of a CHF and he’s too dumb to be the main man in defence. Just stop moving him around so he can focus on one area of his game. Dimma has been doing him a disservice making him be Mr fix it.
