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Having just watched the compelling documentary on the 1975 grand final I was shocked by the utter lack of meaningful feedback given to the two teams during the breaks. I was also stunned to know they were caught on tape. All Kennedy did at quarter time was tell his team they had 'dogged it" and they had better show some guts in the next term. Barassi was basically-Kick it down the guts!" I know the game was far less tactical back then but I have had suburban coaches who spoke more sense back in the seventies.

At around the three minute mark of this second clip you get to hear their quarter time addresses. The halftime address is around the 8:40 mark. DO! ACT! It is well worth watching the full doco.
 
domus said:
Having just watched the compelling documentary on the 1975 grand final I was shocked by the utter lack of meaningful feedback given to the two teams during the breaks. I was also stunned to know they were caught on tape. All Kennedy did at quarter time was tell his team they had 'dogged it" and they had better show some guts in the next term. Barassi was basically-Kick it down the guts!" I know the game was far less tactical back then but I have had suburban coaches who spoke more sense back in the seventies.

At the end of this second clip you get to hear their quarter time addresses. It is well worth watching the full doco.
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No surprise to me always known Barassi was immeasurably overrated and Kennedy was the heart and soul of Hawthorn thug football.
 

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McOrist said:
I agree with your view on RDB, but not with Kennedy.
Hawthorn "thug" football arrived with a coach they picked up from St Kilda.
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He wouldn't be a old school copper by any chance would he
 
domus said:
Having just watched the compelling documentary on the 1975 grand final I was shocked by the utter lack of meaningful feedback given to the two teams during the breaks. I was also stunned to know they were caught on tape. All Kennedy did at quarter time was tell his team they had 'dogged it" and they had better show some guts in the next term. Barassi was basically-Kick it down the guts!" I know the game was far less tactical back then but I have had suburban coaches who spoke more sense back in the seventies.

At around the three minute mark of this second clip you get to hear their quarter time addresses. The halftime address is around the 8:40 mark. DO! ACT! It is well worth watching the full doco.
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well the game was pretty simple then. you never kicked backwards. you never really kicked it across goal unless the situation was desperate. You basically kicked it down the guts.

i think both developed an aura about them ...that was their major weapon. The players will affected by that more than any tactics. If the coach told you do something, then you did something ..
 
Kennedy was the same as old Jock. Brutally honest but genuinely concerned for the players he coached and developed.
Barrassi was cold blooded and would sell his mother to win a game of footy. I was at Carlton in 1966 as a young U/19 aspirant and RDB basically ignored anyone who didn't suck right up his......He degraded and yelled at everyone (trainers, runners, players, committee men) and stalked around the place like Hitler.

That said, Brent Crosswell would have crawled over glass for that bloke....and Tiger was a great kid at that stage.

It was a different time though. Barrass was nothing compared to copping a spray from Slug Jordon though. He was off the charts!
 
domus said:
Having just watched the compelling documentary on the 1975 grand final I was shocked by the utter lack of meaningful feedback given to the two teams during the breaks. I was also stunned to know they were caught on tape. All Kennedy did at quarter time was tell his team they had 'dogged it" and they had better show some guts in the next term. Barassi was basically-Kick it down the guts!" I know the game was far less tactical back then but I have had suburban coaches who spoke more sense back in the seventies.

At around the three minute mark of this second clip you get to hear their quarter time addresses. The halftime address is around the 8:40 mark. DO! ACT! It is well worth watching the full doco.
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It was an extremely amateurish suburban competition back then with zero tactics, which is why modern players dominating deserves so much more accolades.
 
Kappa said:
I understand the truth is hard to swallow, things were better back in your day ect ect.
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Have you ever read any of McHale’s commentary/writing about football tactics and preparation? Whilst, yes, things “improve” over time as does complexity, they weren’t just kicking and hoping.

Tactics have been around for some time. Don’t forget the Romans. They gave us the 2010 defence.


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domus said:
Having just watched the compelling documentary on the 1975 grand final I was shocked by the utter lack of meaningful feedback given to the two teams during the breaks. I was also stunned to know they were caught on tape. All Kennedy did at quarter time was tell his team they had 'dogged it" and they had better show some guts in the next term. Barassi was basically-Kick it down the guts!" I know the game was far less tactical back then but I have had suburban coaches who spoke more sense back in the seventies.

At around the three minute mark of this second clip you get to hear their quarter time addresses. The halftime address is around the 8:40 mark. DO! ACT! It is well worth watching the full doco.
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Both great coaches that won premierships.

Barrasi
Carlton premiership coach 1968, 1970,North Melbourne premiership coach 1975, 1977

Kennedy
He coached Hawthorn to premierships in 1961, 1971 and 1976.
Both outstanding records in my opinion.
 

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Kappa said:
I understand the truth is hard to swallow, things were better back in your day ect ect.
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If there were zero tactics we would have won the 1970 Grand Final.
 
sideswipe said:
Have you ever read any of McHale’s commentary/writing about football tactics and preparation? Whilst, yes, things “improve” over time as does complexity, they weren’t just kicking and hoping.

Tactics have been around for some time. Don’t forget the Romans. They gave us the 2010 defence.
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But aside from the 2010 defence, what have they ever done for us?
 
Robroy22 said:
No Covid, Global warming or Trump.....yeah I'd say we were pretty lucky.
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Nah..just our boys being killed in Vietnam, an American president who wanted war and dropped napalm on innocent civilians and a road toll over thousand per year when our population was far smaller. Everything was peachy! ;)
 
magpie_marty said:
Both great coaches that won premierships.

Barrasi
Carlton premiership coach 1968, 1970,North Melbourne premiership coach 1975, 1977

Kennedy
He coached Hawthorn to premierships in 1961, 1971 and 1976.
Both outstanding records in my opinion.
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I think it points more to the old "if you have the cattle, they make you look good." Tommy Hafey did a far more impressive job taking a side which had finished last to a grand final a season later. Barassi and Kennedy had teams stacked with champions. Hafey did not have such a luxury. He had a team of goers. Even Barassi conceded this in that fantastic book, The Coach, which was the inside story at North during the 1977 season. What did Barassi and Kennedy achieve with ordinary lists? Nothing. Check Barassi's record at Melbourne or Kennedy's brief stint at North.
 
sideswipe said:
Have you ever read any of McHale’s commentary/writing about football tactics and preparation? Whilst, yes, things “improve” over time as does complexity, they weren’t just kicking and hoping.

Tactics have been around for some time. Don’t forget the Romans. They gave us the 2010 defence.


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the romans were master copiers ....but it was the persians who invented it.. or an assistant coach at the pies, depending on who you talk to
 

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domus said:
I think it points more to the old "if you have the cattle, they make you look good." Tommy Hafey did a far more impressive job taking a side which had finished last to a grand final a season later. Barassi and Kennedy had teams stacked with champions. Hafey did not have such a luxury. He had a team of goers. Even Barassi conceded this in that fantastic book, The Coach, which was the inside story at North during the 1977 season. What did Barassi and Kennedy achieve with ordinary lists? Nothing. Check Barassi's record at Melbourne or Kennedy's brief stint at North.
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hafey had graeme richmond and barassi had george harris..... we didn't have a piece of crap which was a shame
 
Kappa said:
It was an extremely amateurish suburban competition back then with zero tactics, which is why modern players dominating deserves so much more accolades.
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What an insufferably stupid thing to say. Jesus Christ. Perhaps the worst post I've ever seen, which is something because it is probably only comparable to one of your other steaming piles of shit
 
gouki88 said:
What an insufferably stupid thing to say. Jesus Christ. Perhaps the worst post I've ever seen, which is something because it is probably only comparable to one of your other steaming piles of sh*t
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C'mon mate, this is some of Kapp's finest work. He will one day (in forty or so years) get his POV through, cos we'll all be dead and he'll be the old one!
 
domus said:
I think it points more to the old "if you have the cattle, they make you look good." Tommy Hafey did a far more impressive job taking a side which had finished last to a grand final a season later. Barassi and Kennedy had teams stacked with champions. Hafey did not have such a luxury. He had a team of goers. Even Barassi conceded this in that fantastic book, The Coach, which was the inside story at North during the 1977 season. What did Barassi and Kennedy achieve with ordinary lists? Nothing. Check Barassi's record at Melbourne or Kennedy's brief stint at North.
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I agree domus
The odds are the best cattle get the prize.
Hafey was amazing with what he did I was shocked we got rid of him.
Perhaps I may be wrong some coaches bring out the best in people a bit like managers at work?
David Parkin was superb in this field.
 

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