Ben Reid- Chances of playing in 07?

[njac3]

Will he? and where?

 

[TheClokes]

approx 4 games on half forward flank.
wont do much... is a longterm player

Nathan Brown on the other hand will play alot more senior football at centre half back, along with Goldsack, who will play alot of footy on the wing.

 

[Coin_Toss]

None. He will be nurtured or developed at Williamstown, unless we get a run of bad injuries - god forbid.

 

[MarkT]

You are kidding yourself if you think any of them will play much if any meaningful footy in 2007. It would be nice if Brown could force his way in on form and hold his place on merit but it is wishful thinking. Unless we have a spate of injuries they will and should spend virtually the whole year if not the whole year in the VFL learning to play against bigger bodies and under AFL type game plans.

We should be hoping they show enough at VFL level to warrant 2007 development games and even then you wouldn’t only play more than 1 or 2 at any one time. As it is we will have to develop the likes of Cloke, Rusling, Thomas, Pendlebury, O’Brien and Maxwell. It is asking a lot to also slot in a few 18 year olds let alone talk about a key position for any of them.

 

[THATSGOLD]

SO OUR SPINE WILL LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS?

BIG FAT OLD ROCCA



T CLOKE

big chance that reid could get a game me thinks... if cloke cant step up for all 22 games.


LICCA


CLEMENT



PRESTIGIACOMO

 

[FIGJAM]

In today's relatively soft footy, I always say you don't expect much from skinny blokes, but I generally assume that guys like Thomas, and even D|ck this year, can squeeze in for a run.

In Reid's case though, he is very bottom age and needs more time to learn specific roles at a lower level. I had the strange honour of reading Wiz's profile on him and he wanted him to have another year in the TAC, so I doubt "fast-tracking" would be in Reid's, or our, long term interest.

I'd like to see him pulled away from this wing bull******** ASAP. Yeah, he has abnormally good pace for his height, but his agility is still 'tall-man' and for the expense of a top 8 draft pick, we need a KP player out of it. A jack of all trades master of none doesn't really cut it at AFL level anymore.

 

[MarkT]

You’d take a couple of Adam Goodes though any day of the week. He’s a jack of all trades master of none but able to have an impact almost anywhere. I think these days you just need quality impact players on the lines and the rest have to be competent. So long as you enough of the different types to cover the opposition and worry them. Obviously you’d love the full compliment of 18 positions covered but unless you can get a salary cap allowance and recruiting assistance forget it.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

You’d take a couple of Adam Goodes though any day of the week. He’s a jack of all trades master of none but able to have an impact almost anywhere. I think these days you just need quality impact players on the lines and the rest have to be competent. So long as you enough of the different types to cover the opposition and worry them. Obviously you’d love the full compliment of 18 positions covered but unless you can get a salary cap allowance and recruiting assistance forget it.

I'd suggest that he is a master as a follower/on-baller, given that he has won two Brownlows in that role...

I agree with you though - People get too bogged down in where specifically someone is going to play, when if a guy is talented enough, he simply impacts the game however he is able to.

Guys like James Hird and Adam Goodes don't necessarily play one spot, but they destroy oppositions by knowing exactly where they need to be at the right times.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I think we said Josh Fraser wouldn't play in his first season either.

I'd expect to see Ben Reid play senior footy in '07, but I doubt he'll have much of an impact. They'll probably use him late in the season in a third-defender Nick Maxwell-type role to get him into the action.

 

[goalpie]

Carlton fans are sickend about not getting him. Did his father play for the Blues.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Yes, and the Bulldogs, but not enough games with either to qualify for father/son.

 

[JGraf]

SO OUR SPINE WILL LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS?

BIG FAT OLD ROCCA



T CLOKE

big chance that reid could get a game me thinks... if cloke cant step up for all 22 games.


LICCA


CLEMENT



PRESTIGIACOMO

Why wouldnt Reid and Nathan Brown play straight away. Nothing to lose and plenty of experience to gain.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I think Brown is more likely to see action, but as FIGJAM pointed out Reid is bottom aged, the youngest player taken in the draft, and will need time to play against men before making an AFL debut.

 

[ant22]

You are kidding yourself if you think any of them will play much if any meaningful footy in 2007. It would be nice if Brown could force his way in on form and hold his place on merit but it is wishful thinking. Unless we have a spate of injuries they will and should spend virtually the whole year if not the whole year in the VFL learning to play against bigger bodies and under AFL type game plans.

We should be hoping they show enough at VFL level to warrant 2007 development games and even then you wouldn’t only play more than 1 or 2 at any one time. As it is we will have to develop the likes of Cloke, Rusling, Thomas, Pendlebury, O’Brien and Maxwell. It is asking a lot to also slot in a few 18 year olds let alone talk about a key position for any of them.

We don't always agree mark but you are spot on. If these guys play much footy next year it will mean we are struggling big time. I only want to see rookies get a game if the bang the bloody door down(ala thomas and pendles) I would rather the 1st yearers play good footy at willi and learn a few things and have the 2nd of 3rd year players take another step and cement their spot. Next year we need guys like isles, Anthony, cook , cox and stanley etc to be pushing for ones. If they dont then thats 5 or 6 blokes in 1 draft who may not make it and the club does not need that.

 

[JOELY]

if at all, late in the season if we aren't travelling too well. but he shouldn't have to. i don't see any draftees getting a game except for maybe Brown as our 22 is good enough to keep them out. barring lots of injuries that is.

 

[crowsarethebest]

Reid will need to put on ALOT to play AFL in 2007... He'll get snapped. He's bottom aged, and will need time in the VFL. If he's dominating in VFL then he might get a late run in 2007 but I doubt it. Just let him develop at Williamstown.

 

[doppleganger]

decent chance that he may get a game in the ones

small chance of making any decent type of impact

dont expect anything from these kids til 09, we need T.Cloke, Rus, Harry to step up next year.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

I think we said Josh Fraser wouldn't play in his first season either.

And I think most agree that he probably would have been better served not playing in his first season.

 

[prO]

I'm going to disagree with the general consensus - I think we should play him. The best way to learn anything, is to jump in the deep end. The more AFL games he plays, the more profound his development will be.

For those who fear that the kid may be injured. Thats a risk EVERY player takes on... not only rookies

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Originally posted by Vinnie_vegas69

And I think most agree that he probably would have been better served not playing in his first season.

No doubt, but the thread topic is "will he?", not "should he?".

Like several have pointed out already, if Reid plays seniors this year, it's a bad sign for the club, but then again there's no guarantees of us having a stellar year and finishing top four either.

 

[Palmer Stoat]

Because Reid is so bottom age and still growing, he's probably the least likely of all our draftees to play next year. That said, most years there's at least one kid from the last intake who strings together a significant number of games.

Fraser (2000) 21 games
Davis (2000) 15 games
Lonie (2001) 21 games
McGough (2002) 17 games
Lokan (2003) 25 games
Rowe (2004) 8 games
T Cloke (2005) 15 games
Egan (2005) 13 games
Thomas (2006) 16 games

Lokan wasn't a teenager, but the pattern is pretty clear. Although three of our five draftees are KP height (and one is already out for the season), I think there's a fair chance that a kid like Nathan Brown could string a few matches together. He's got a strong physique and with his athleticism could easily play in a pocket or on a flank. I wouldn't discount Goldsack, ********, or Reid either. Our experience in the last few years indicates that at least one is likely to play quite a few games.

This time last year people were saying that Thomas would play very few games -- and only then if we had a poor run with injury. Well, despite being lightly built, and despite our excellent run with injury, he played 16 games including a final. Pendlebury, who was equally skinny and had glandular fever preseason, also played nine games and was probably unlucky not to play more.

For my money, at least one of our draftees will play 10+ games.

 

[prO]

No doubt, but the thread topic is "will he?", not "should he?".

Considering none of us are psychic or in MM's position... its a ******ed question... therefore most ( including myself ) reframed the question so we would be able to answer it.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Because Reid is so bottom age and still growing, he's probably the least likely of all our draftees to play next year. That said, most years there's at least one kid from the last intake who strings together a significant number of games.

Fraser (2000) 21 games
Davis (2000) 15 games
Lonie (2001) 21 games
McGough (2002) 17 games
Lokan (2003) 25 games
Rowe (2004) 8 games
T Cloke (2005) 15 games
Egan (2005) 13 games
Thomas (2006) 16 games

Lokan wasn't a teenager, but the pattern is pretty clear. Although three of our five draftees are KP height (and one is already out for the season), I think there's a fair chance that a kid like Nathan Brown could string a few matches together. He's got a strong physique and with his athleticism could easily play in a pocket or on a flank. I wouldn't discount Goldsack, ********, or Reid either. Our experience in the last few years indicates that at least one is likely to play quite a few games.

This time last year people were saying that Thomas would play very few games -- and only then if we had a poor run with injury. Well, despite being lightly built, and despite our excellent run with injury, he played 16 games including a final. Pendlebury, who was equally skinny and had glandular fever preseason, also played nine games and was probably unlucky not to play more.

For my money, at least one of our draftees will play 10+ games.

The thing is that in those years, we were carrying a lot of duds who were not AFL caliber at all, whereas Ben Reid would be getting his first game ahead of guys like John Anthony, Shannon Cox, Alan Toovey and others that have yet to debut.

Given how much these three were rated on their Williamstown performances, and the fact that at least Anthony and Cox had more solid builds, yet STILL didn't crack the side for a game shows that Reid is probably unlikely to play.

I'd say that even Nathan Brown and the tall-ish Tyson Goldsack, in addition to PSD pickup Chris Bryan will all be more likely to play in their first year on our list than Ben Reid.

 

[Palmer Stoat]

The thing is that in those years, we were carrying a lot of duds who were not AFL caliber at all, whereas Ben Reid would be getting his first game ahead of guys like John Anthony, Shannon Cox, Alan Toovey and others that have yet to debut.

Given how much these three were rated on their Williamstown performances, and the fact that at least Anthony and Cox had more solid builds, yet STILL didn't crack the side for a game shows that Reid is probably unlikely to play.

I'd say that even Nathan Brown and the tall-ish Tyson Goldsack, in addition to PSD pickup Chris Bryan will all be more likely to play in their first year on our list than Ben Reid.

Yes, like I said, I think Brown is more likely than Reid. But I'm not going to discount Reid altogether.

Two of those years were GF years and this year we finished seventh. I don't think that our best 22 will be more difficult to break into next year than it was then.

There is a backlog of talls and mediums on our list, but Tarrant is gone, JC is gone, and Wakelin, IMO, will be there only for depth. Add some injuries, and the vagaries of form, and I think there's a reasonable chance that Brown or Reid will play quite a few games.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Goldsack got some games as a run-with player. Fitness permitting.

 

[daics cousin]

Reid and brown should play a few games next year.Reid must bulk up a bit first.I reckon the 2 most likely to get quite a few games will be the goldensac and Brad pee pee.Straight into the midfield for these two.Goldsac is ready to go .and brad needs to bulk up a little over preseason,and both will be fine to add to the midfield.All of a sudden we have a little bit of speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed.