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[roostertalk]

heys guys was just going through this weeks matches and stumbled across hawks vs the swannies........ it just occured to me that there is a big bad bald man that will be near impossible for you to stop......suggestions?
is it worth giving him to jacobs which then gets rid of one of ur main playmakers. Tigers had a similar predicament with bowden when we played the swans, hall beat bowden plus he didn't get a kick or create any play. What do you think the best plan of attack would be?

 

[MightyFighting]

Technically that would be a plan of defence.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I'm sorry, but i've seen red.
Don't compare Jacobs to Bowden. Bowden is a complete sheep dog.
Jacobs will at least put his body on the line in the name of helping out another defender. He gets cheap posessions aswell but will also wear a bump or stand in front of a leading forward.
Bowden will just run five metres clear of the contest and wait for the handball. Or better still, soil himself at the thought of having to help another defender out by filling space. Just ask Roughead and Buddy.
[/vent]

In answer to how we are goin to stop Hall, I'm not sure.

 

[Philhawk]

Zac Dawson.


Duh!

 

[CyberKev]

Hall is Hall, but Sydney didn't win the premiership simply because they had Hall in their side.

There's plenty of players to worry about from our perspective and he is but one of them.

If we go into this match with an overt-focus on Hall and a pure defensive mindset then we are doomed.

I'd simply give Smith first crack at Barry and tell him to just do whatever he can do. From there, I'd ensure all the other Swans forwards have opponents and I think we can match-up well on these. What I don't want to see is another deliberate Hall double-team like round 22, as it failed dismally and allowed other Swan forwards extra space and opportunity.

If its on its game then our midfield can perform very well against the Swans, and we may present some match-up difficulties down back for the premiers with Williams, Franklin (if he plays), Roughead, and Crawford (assuming we play him up forward again) all likely to be lively.

For mine, its death or glory from the outset with an attacking approach.

Hall may kick 8 or he may kick nothing, but hie's just one part of the puzzle, and we shouldn't allow him to prevent us from playing our own game before the game has even started.

 

[MightyFighting]

I agree, Kev. If Sydney can get a lot of inside 50s, then it won't really matter who we put on Hall, we'll lose regardless.

Our only hope is to win the ball in the midfield, and then use it. Against Melbourne we won the centre ball ups, but couldn't get it effectively to our forwards. We were also never able to move the ball from out back-flank to our forward-flank.

Of course, having said this, I have no idea how to achieve it.

 

[Herbs hawks]

It's a big task, clearly we don't have the match up to go with Hall, Start with Dawson (hopefully Jaccobs and Smith can help out) and play an extra tall in defence ie Campbell or Everitt sitting in the hole 40m from the goals at least forcing Hall out wide for kicks.

Our midfield is always expected to push back and help, sure, but i think their hands will be full as it is Sydney midfield is very good. I just think man on man through the midfield is the way to go. Try to beat your man on the night.

As for the forwards, Roughead and Williams as duel FF's. Hopefully Franklin will get off tonight at the VFL and play a floating CHF with lots of hard leading and running. Also getting plenty of crumming traffic to the ball drop ie, Crawford, Miller, Ladson, Clarke etc.

I think Sydney have our measure, but with abit of homework and discipline we should at least have a crack.

 

[CyberKev]

I'll be honest, guys.

Goodes worries me as much as Hall does, if not more.

Always a very difficult match-up.

 

[Hawkk]

Buddy is the perfect match up for Goodes

 

[Herbs hawks]

I'll be honest, guys.

Goodes worries me as much as Hall does, if not more.

Always a very difficult match-up.

Set Grant Birchall a task. Goodes is only 2cm taller and should be playing around the middle? At the very least it's a learning curve and it will give us a great look at Birch? If Goodes then pushes forward and starts to look dangerous then make the change.

 

[RustyHawk]

Swans Forward Structure
V Richmond. Telstra Dome
Round 7 2006

X = swans players
O = Richmond players

Swans goal
i I I i
XO
O X
XO
O X
XO
OX
-----------------
50 Metre line

Swans simple and effective forward set up kicked 28 goals in perfect conditions against an inexperienced, undermanned, under height Richmond backline.

No flanks, no pockets. All just in a row from 50m line to goal line.

Expect the same on Saturday, bombs away......

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Swans Forward Structure
V Richmond. Telstra Dome
Round 7 2006

X = swans players
O = Richmond players

Swans goal
i I I i
XO
O X
XO
O X
XO
OX
-----------------
50 Metre line

Swans simple and effective forward set up kicked 28 goals in perfect conditions against an inexperienced, undermanned, under height Richmond backline.

No flanks, no pockets. All just in a row from 50m line to goal line.

Expect the same on Saturday, bombs away......

It's called the 'channel'. It works well as all players are in a line between the ball and the goals and so the leading targets have two sides in which to lead for space.
Not sure that Sydney will use this strategy against us.
Paul Roos will no doubt try to exploit Dawson again like he was against the lions and the roos.
This game could get really messy if our midfeild don't fire from the start.

 

[roostertalk]

I'm sorry, but i've seen red.
Don't compare Jacobs to Bowden. Bowden is a complete sheep dog.
Jacobs will at least put his body on the line in the name of helping out another defender. He gets cheap posessions aswell but will also wear a bump or stand in front of a leading forward.
Bowden will just run five metres clear of the contest and wait for the handball. Or better still, soil himself at the thought of having to help another defender out by filling space. Just ask Roughead and Buddy.
[/vent]

In answer to how we are goin to stop Hall, I'm not sure.

you my friend have just burnt any credibility regarding the great game. Uneducated drivvle that was, if you watched the game you'd realize he takes numerous marks backing back into the pack, i didnt come on to ur board to slander but ur a fool. Jacobs and Bowden are both starts of the game and i think you would find that fans of the game would agree

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

you my friend have just burnt any credibility regarding the great game. Uneducated drivvle that was, if you watched the game you'd realize he takes numerous marks backing back into the pack, i didnt come on to ur board to slander but ur a fool. Jacobs and Bowden are both starts of the game and i think you would find that fans of the game would agree

Call me a fool if you wish, but I simply cannot respect the guy as he's made a career out of being a sheep dog in an ordinary team. Wasn't it 18 uncontested marks on the weekend? I suppose someone will nominate him for AA too.
I'm not here to talk about Richmond players either, but a little red light went off when i read your post about how Richmond played Barry Hall with this spud. No surprise Hall beat him, he can't man up, and when he does he gets beaten time after time. Just like he was by Riewoldt when Thursfield did his knee. Bowden lasted about 3 minutes on Roo. And Roo had about 4 possessions.

I do not wish to discuss Bowden anymore.

continue.

 

[roostertalk]

Well Galon ive dedicated a poll to it.....i think its important you know how wrong you are.....continue.

 

[Herbs hawks]

Well Galon ive dedicated a poll to it.....i think its important you know how wrong you are.....continue.

LOL, Roostertalk, Are you Joel's mum?

 

[CyberKev]

Buddy is the perfect match up for Goodes

I'd have no qualms in backing the big Swan in this match-up.

Much smarter footballer than Buddy.

 

[roostertalk]

LOL, Roostertalk, Are you Joel's mum?

not quite herb,just get irritated by ill informed individuals who fair enough are entitled to an opinion, but can be so far off the mark. Simply righting a wrong. A lover of the game and hate nothing more then players from any club being bought down unnecessarily. He's going for three B&F's in a row this year and i just thought it was a very harshe judgement. Not in the slightest bit soft, would never take a backward step.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

oooh, a thread on the Polls board.
gee, that should change my opinion.

btw, no need to get personal. I didn't.

now.

ENOUGH.

 

[Herbs hawks]

I'd have no qualms in backing the big Swan in this match-up.

Much smarter footballer than Buddy.

Agree, Buddy looks best when left to be creative accross the Half forward line.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

On paper the Franklin/Goodes match up may work, but in reality Buddy just aint got what it takes to play a run with role at this point in time.
What we have been lacking in the last few weeks is a genuine target across half forward. Buddy may not be able to shoulder all this responsibility but he will take his portion of the workload along with Dixon, Boyle and possibly Roughead. Boyle should improve this week with the third best tall defender standing him instead of probably the first or second like we've seen the last two weeks.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I forgot to mention that in the HUN today it said that Bolton is only a 50-50 chance of playing this week which could mean they were without their second tall defender.
Taylor, Roughead, Franklin and Boyle could really stretch them, however i still think our mids will have to be on fire for us to roll the swans.