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Collingwood has had a history of missing out on big name players in recent times with Ben Cousins just the latest chapter in the book. If you look at some of the players Collingwood has missed out on in just the last 20years i sometimes wonder what could have been.... Plugger(stk), Nick Stevens(port), Scotty West(wb), Chris Judd(wce), Nathan Brown(wb), Kain Johnson(ade), Stevie J(cats), Wane Carey(nth), Brad Green(melb) etc..... with Nathan Buckley being the last real star we've landed. While some of the names i've posted were overlooked for obvious reasons, Wane Carey for one, it still makes me wonder why Collingwood has such a hard time getting the big guys. Is it that Collingwood continualy overrates its list or is it that the other clubs hate collingwood that much they would rather get nothing than see a player go to the Pies, as in Nick stevens case?
Plugger is the one i most regret never seeing in the black and white!
 
i think its the "us vs them" mentality the club is so famous for.

clubs are more likely to say stick it to collingwood.
 
rotten pie said:
Collingwood has had a history of missing out on big name players in recent times with Ben Cousins just the latest chapter in the book. If you look at some of the players Collingwood has missed out on in just the last 20years i sometimes wonder what could have been.... Plugger(stk), Nick Stevens(port), Scotty West(wb), Chris Judd(wce), Nathan Brown(wb), Kain Johnson(ade), Stevie J(cats), Wane Carey(nth), Brad Green(melb) etc..... with Nathan Buckley being the last real star we've landed. While some of the names i've posted were overlooked for obvious reasons, Wane Carey for one, it still makes me wonder why Collingwood has such a hard time getting the big guys. Is it that Collingwood continualy overrates its list or is it that the other clubs hate collingwood that much they would rather get nothing than see a player go to the Pies, as in Nick stevens case?
Plugger is the one i most regret never seeing in the black and white!
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You have also left out a number of other players from earlier decades such as Dick Clay who always wanted to play for Collingwood; Neil Balme who was originally signed by Collingwood but the club let it slip; Phil Carman (from Edenhope) who was orginally zoned to Collingwood but the club allowed him to go to Norwood in South Australia for the first 6 years of his senior career; and then Bernie Quinlan, who wanted to go to Collingwood and Tom Hafey wanted him, but he was over-ruled by the board at the time.

I think that you are right about the club always over-rating its list (plus many of the supporters). I think that is the case again and I will say this again and again much to the ire of other Collingwood supporters on this site. The side lacks place and class in the mid-field; it does not have an established and physically-imposing ruckman; and their is a patent lack of leadership material from which to select its next captain. None of the recent recruiting has addressed those deficiencies.

I think that in 2009 we will struggle to go any further than we did in 2008; in fact we may even struggle to replicate where we got to this year.

Finally, a question; are we closer to a premiership now in last month of December 2008, than we were when the team walked off the ground in the 2003 Grand Final? I honestly do not think so.
 
well buying big name players dony give you success.. You just have to look at the last few premiers, how many guns have did they buy????

The pies bought players in the 70's & 80's and it got them nowhere..

develop your own & that will provide flags.. we are near;y in the final piece of Hinds jigsaw..

its coming very very soon!! trust me...
 

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WEARECOLLINGWOOD! said:
well buying big name players dony give you success.. You just have to look at the last few premiers, how many guns have did they buy????

The pies bought players in the 70's & 80's and it got them nowhere..

develop your own & that will provide flags.. we are near;y in the final piece of Hinds jigsaw..

its coming very very soon!! trust me...
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You cannot compare the 1970s and 1980's to today here there is a National Draft that started in 1986. My argument is that we did not buy the right players and other clubs did such as Carlton, Richmond, Hawthorn, and North Melbourne. That is why between 1967 and 1983, those 4 teams won every flag and Collingwood won zip. We bought crap! I can give you the names if you want!

As to your argument about patience, well Malthouse starts his 10th year at Collingwood and what he we won since 2000; zip.

I am sorry but I reckon that I have been patient enough. Where are the developing ruckmen? Where are the developing mid-fielders? There aren't any. And do not talk about players from his year's draft because they will not make a real impact on the AFL for at least 2 years. The club has a real deficiency in the 24 - 28 year age bracket and no slogans or one-eyed fanaticism can cover that up. Get Real!
 
Agree that Plugger was the biggest **** up in this regard, and this was us shooting ourselves in the foot.
We didn't miss out on Cousins we decided we didn't want him , and weren't beaten to the punch by anyone. Richmond is the only team that wanted Cousins.
 
rotten pie said:
Collingwood has had a history of missing out on big name players in recent times with Ben Cousins just the latest chapter in the book.
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Err.. we didn't miss out on Cousins.. we rejected him because he is a 30 year old ice addict with shot hammys :rolleyes:

As for pinching big fish we got Buckley and Rocca that way.. not a flag between them

Geelong and Hawthorn have shown how to build a premiership team.. and it aint blowing your wad on a big fish
 
SteeleAt11 said:
Err.. we didn't miss out on Cousins.. we rejected him because he is a 30 year old ice addict with shot hammys :rolleyes:

As for pinching big fish we got Buckley and Rocca that way.. not a flag between them

Geelong and Hawthorn have shown how to build a premiership team.. and it aint blowing your wad on a big fish
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How do you know he has got "shot hammys"? Fact or simply rumor?

As for the recruitng model of Geelong and Hawthorn, it assumes that you have competent recruitiers. I am not sure that I can say that has been the case with Collingwood between 1999 anhd 2004. In addition, in the case of Geelong, it is also very helpful to have a lot of quality father-son draft picks.
 
greening22 said:
How do you know he has got "shot hammys"? Fact or simply rumor?
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He's done them 3 times since his comeback including one completely off the bone.. next question

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24666523-5012432,00.html


Before Cousins fell foul of his recreational drug habit and was deregistered 12 months ago for bringing the game into disrepute, he was being troubled by a chronic hamstring complaint.
In the last of the seven games the former West Coast captain has played since 2006, the second qualifying final of 2007, he left the game with a serious hamstring tear. His mid-season comeback that year, after being suspended for 13 matches by the Eagles, was delayed by a fortnight because of a hamstring strain.
As recently as August of this year, as Cousins trained in Perth in preparation for a potential return to the AFL, it was Collingwood's understanding that he was forced to scale back his training because of a recurrence of the injury. The Magpies were monitoring his health in every sense.
When they decided to abandon the idea of recruiting him last month, much was made of the fact that they had hired a private investigator to trail Cousins for several days in Perth, in August, and completed their fact-finding mission with a discussion with the chief commissioner of Victoria Police, Christine Nixon.
What was not understood is that the four men who ultimately decided against recruiting Cousins - president Eddie McGuire, chief executive Gary Pert, football operations head Geoff Walsh and coach Mick Malthouse - had all tried and failed to think of a mid-fielder, at 30 years of age, who had made it back after the sort of lay-off Cousins had forced upon him.
 
greening22 said:
How do you know he has got "shot hammys"? Fact or simply rumor?

As for the recruitng model of Geelong and Hawthorn, it assumes that you have competent recruitiers. I am not sure that I can say that has been the case with Collingwood between 1999 anhd 2004. In addition, in the case of Geelong, it is also very helpful to have a lot of quality father-son draft picks.
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Well he basically tore the Hammy from the bone the last time he played - so thats a fair indication. He is also 31 next season. He might carve it up next season. He might also go on a bender. Think the Didak/Shaw press and imagine how much greater it will be if its Cuz.

As for recruiting - yup - 99 - 2004 it was very poor - what about the past 3 drafts though ?

Everyone mentions the successful high profile names. What about Hay ? or Rawlings ? The best clubs build there own stars.
 

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rotten pie said:
Collingwood has had a history of missing out on big name players in recent times with Ben Cousins just the latest chapter in the book. If you look at some of the players Collingwood has missed out on in just the last 20years i sometimes wonder what could have been.... Plugger(stk), Nick Stevens(port), Scotty West(wb), Chris Judd(wce), Nathan Brown(wb), Kain Johnson(ade), Stevie J(cats), Wane Carey(nth), Brad Green(melb) etc..... with Nathan Buckley being the last real star we've landed. While some of the names i've posted were overlooked for obvious reasons, Wane Carey for one, it still makes me wonder why Collingwood has such a hard time getting the big guys. Is it that Collingwood continualy overrates its list or is it that the other clubs hate collingwood that much they would rather get nothing than see a player go to the Pies, as in Nick stevens case?
Plugger is the one i most regret never seeing in the black and white!
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While there is 1 or 2 deals we probably stuffed on I think you will find our record in landing players is no worse than most clubs. Most clubs chase the big name players its simply that we get more press about it. The only club that has done pretty well lately in landing some big name players is carlton and that has more to do with the bargaining power from being so sh!T for so long and having heaps of room in the cap and low pre-season draft picks.

Im not concerned, look at the sides that have won the flags, they dont recruit big names they develop their own.
 
One thing to note: EVERYONE that is apparently "on the market" the media automatically link to Collingwood. Not always is there genuine interest...

The other thing to note is: to land a "big fish" what would we have to give up?
Remember the "daniel kerr saga" West Coast wanted Pendles and Thomas for Kerr... Would you do that?

Collingwoods problem (if you will) is that we always finish 6-10th never high never lower (rarely) so we have no draft picks to offer clubs for big names..
 

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Rohan Coventry said:
Switch on the 3rd Quarter of the 2008 GF.
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Aaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaa

Dew was a big name eh.. Judd Cousins Ablett.. Dew :p

If we had picked Dew you'd have been the 1st one bagging the club for picking up a fat has been.. then when he proved himself you would have crawled back under your rock without acknowledging you got it wrong again.. you are so boring :rolleyes:
 

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