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so, Billy Ray needs some advice

My gf and I are looking to live together from next year when her lease is up.
She has two kids <14, 12 days out of 14 and currently rents a 3 bedder for $400 a week.
I have two kids <12, 50:50 with my ex, and own my place (well mortgage) which is a 4 bedder+home office.

So we need 5 bedrooms +office (and ideally a second living area) to ensure everyone has own bedroom as kids head into teenager-hood.

We cannot all fit in my place as it is one bedroom short (and doesn't have that second living area).

Option 1
I rent my place out (prob get $800 a week) and together we rent a 5 bedroom+office place somewhere (not many around tho….) for $900 a week.

She would continue to pay $400 a week and I would pay the remainder $500 - that's fine as I earn more and work from home so the "+office" is why it costs more.

Under this option $ wise I will be up a few hundred a week as my new rent income is greater than my share of the new rent we pay. For her, no change $ wise.

Option 2
I convert my garage into an extra bedroom + second living area bringing my place up to 5 bedroom+office.
This would cost me about $40k which I would extend the loan for.
I would charge her $400 a week rent.

Again, for her under this option no change, she still pays $400 a week. For me, no major change (mortgage will go up meaning my payments will go up, but I then have her rent helping me pay for that and other costs that will increase with more people in the house (higher utility costs for example).



Option 1 would have the benefit of us starting a new life on neutral turf, plus would earn me a few $$. and if it goes belly up, oh well, lease ends and we go our own separate ways.

Option 2 they live here (which they love - as do i, I helped design it and built it as my forever home) - it doesn't earn me any real extra $, but if it goes belly up, she moves out, I rent out the garage as a 1 bedder (I would have to spend an extra $5k to install a kitchenette for example) and down the track I do earn extra $ as I have a new line of income.

Also under this option, if it doesn't go belly up, down the track when the kids all move out, I can still rent this out and have a rental income in retirement....

But, option 1 is difficult to potentially do as I cannot find many examples of 5 bedder+office at the end of the gold coast I need to live to be near kids schools and where my ex lives (as we do frequent swaps of kids we share 50:50).

What would you guys do?
 
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Also under this option, if it doesn't go belly up, down the track when the kids all move out, I can still rent this out and have a rental income in retirement....
If it goes belly up you will only have half at best

Its hard your life your choice.
I have a mate who strictly doesnt date women without houses and then even if they do no more than 18 months.
He doesnt want to start from scratch again
 
Id take option 2.
Renting a place has minimal security for duration of stay. PLus you cant make changes like you can when you own it. Simple renovations, kitchen is fixed, repairs might be a hassle, backyard, why bother doing much, etcetera, The cost of moving and getting rid of stuff and possible storage fees would be high also. If your partner is moving into your place, it is more incumbent on her to shed some of belongings that dont fit.
COnverting yoru garage will add value to yoru exiting place also
Are you talking about the SOuthern end of the Gold coast?
 

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Id take option 2.
Renting a place has minimal security for duration of stay. PLus you cant make changes like you can when you own it. Simple renovations, kitchen is fixed, repairs might be a hassle, backyard, why bother doing much, etcetera, The cost of moving and getting rid of stuff and possible storage fees would be high also. If your partner is moving into your place, it is more incumbent on her to shed some of belongings that dont fit.
COnverting yoru garage will add value to yoru exiting place also
Are you talking about the SOuthern end of the Gold coast?
Yes southern.
 
If it goes belly up you will only have half at best
Not necessarily. We wont be having children together and so any lawyering up would establish what we bought into the relationship etc etc. it could be argued that her $400 a week was effectively renting out the garage granny flat.
But it is something i have to think about. Might speak to a lawyer friend about this.
 
If her eldest would move to brisbane to live with his dad it would be simple!

Maybe a shared room would be an option initially until one makes a move and more so if it’s shared care

And as much as some don’t like children involvement in adult discussions maybe chatting about the need to share could be an option so that they can own the decision
 
so, Billy Ray needs some advice

My gf and I are looking to live together from next year when her lease is up.
She has two kids <14, 12 days out of 14 and currently rents a 3 bedder for $400 a week.
I have two kids <12, 50:50 with my ex, and own my place (well mortgage) which is a 4 bedder+home office.

So we need 5 bedrooms +office (and ideally a second living area) to ensure everyone has own bedroom as kids head into teenager-hood.

We cannot all fit in my place as it is one bedroom short (and doesn't have that second living area).

Option 1
I rent my place out (prob get $800 a week) and together we rent a 5 bedroom+office place somewhere (not many around tho….) for $900 a week.

She would continue to pay $400 a week and I would pay the remainder $500 - that's fine as I earn more and work from home so the "+office" is why it costs more.

Under this option $ wise I will be up a few hundred a week as my new rent income is greater than my share of the new rent we pay. For her, no change $ wise.

Option 2
I convert my garage into an extra bedroom + second living area bringing my place up to 5 bedroom+office.
This would cost me about $40k which I would extend the loan for.
I would charge her $400 a week rent.

Again, for her under this option no change, she still pays $400 a week. For me, no major change (mortgage will go up meaning my payments will go up, but I then have her rent helping me pay for that and other costs that will increase with more people in the house (higher utility costs for example).



Option 1 would have the benefit of us starting a new life on neutral turf, plus would earn me a few $$. and if it goes belly up, oh well, lease ends and we go our own separate ways.

Option 2 they live here (which they love - as do i, I helped design it and built it as my forever home) - it doesn't earn me any real extra $, but if it goes belly up, she moves out, I rent out the garage as a 1 bedder (I would have to spend an extra $5k to install a kitchenette for example) and down the track I do earn extra $ as I have a new line of income.

Also under this option, if it doesn't go belly up, down the track when the kids all move out, I can still rent this out and have a rental income in retirement....

But, option 1 is difficult to potentially do as I cannot find many examples of 5 bedder+office at the end of the gold coast I need to live to be near kids schools and where my ex lives (as we do frequent swaps of kids we share 50:50).

What would you guys do?

My advice -

Only move in with a girl if you plan on getting married in the next 6 months.. until then don't move in together.
 
Maybe a shared room would be an option initially until one makes a move and more so if it’s shared care

And as much as some don’t like children involvement in adult discussions maybe chatting about the need to share could be an option so that they can own the decision
Yeh true. Tho 14 yo boy and 12 yo girl are hers.
And i have canvassed it with mine (two boys) but they were not happy as its their house and they get separate rooms at mums...
 

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Yeh true. Tho 14 yo boy and 12 yo girl are hers.
And i have canvassed it with mine (two boys) but they were not happy as its their house and they get separate rooms at mums...
But it's not their house it's your house. Tell them they're welcome to stay at mum's full time then and that you were actually hoping they'd say that because you like her kids better anyway and would rather focus on your new family.
 
If looking at option 2 best to seek independent tax advice as you could be going down a path with unintended consequences
True. I either declare the rent she pays and that covers me down the track as backing up my ‘she was a tenant’ claim.
Or i dont (we are splitting the cost if running the household, potentially opening her up to having some claim or a payout equal to what she has put in)
 
Id def keep the house
Extend into shed or even up or out
Big block?
Room for another shed for cars ??
Im keeping the house regardless.
And down the track we would move back in once kids older and we dont need to rent a 5+ bedder
 

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Be careful with option 2 because legally you may not end up owning your own house if you live together for an extended amount of time. Definitely don't let her contribute to the renovations if you go down that path.
 
Be careful with option 2 because legally you may not end up owning your own house if you live together for an extended amount of time. Definitely don't let her contribute to the renovations if you go down that path.
Yeh im funding the reno.
 
Be careful with option 2 because legally you may not end up owning your own house if you live together for an extended amount of time. Definitely don't let her contribute to the renovations if you go down that path.

I don’t think they even need to be living together for this to occur, only needs to prove that they’ve been in a relationship and that she has a toothbrush at his place.

Sad that the first train of thought is not how great it is that they are combining their families and taking a step forward together but how much she’s going to take should it go to shit.

Hopefully you’ve both been grown up enough to have this conversation and have sought advice that works for you both. My thinking would be do a valuation now and that’s your share but going forward it’s as a couple otherwise I can’t imagine ever feeling as though I wasn’t just a visitor
 
It is sad huh.
Ive already paid for this place twice following my divorce. Three times would suck!
Thats why my mate dates women with houses for less than 2 years
He is up front tells them the rules and its hard
But he is nearly 60 and cant afford to start again
Same applies to them too they could lose half of theirs too .

Some he really likes and want more but doesnt

Unfortunately that reality today
 

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