Club Mgmt. Board of Directors as led by President Dave Barham

[Lore]

Tom Morris, 9 News via Fox Sports:

“A major board challenge is imminent at Essendon. In the wake of an off-season of turmoil, key powerbrokers - including at least one former player - are preparing a movement which would oust David Barham as president, and other directors too,” he said on Nine News.

“I’ve spoken to one of the key powerbrokers tonight, who says this is not coterie-driven, and it’s just a manner of when and not if the challenge takes place.

“There’s a view the club has been left rudderless and the Barham era has left a legacy of division, instability, player drainage and lost opportunity from this group of people.”

‘Rudderless’ Bombers facing more off-field chaos as club boss set to be challenged

‘Rudderless’ Bombers facing more off-field chaos as club boss set to be challenged

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[DapperDon]

Not only the recruiters but many on here were also sprouting Perkins, Hobbs just to name a couple..it's easy from the cheap seats..

We're not paid a hefty fee to get it right though.

This under achieving flog who thinks he is the greatest recruiter to ever exist failed over 2 decades to build a side that could even win a final.

And the campaigner wants back in?

GTFO

 

[thebigboy]

It's time to reclaim "Old Essendon".

“Old Essendon” shouldn’t be a divided club, board challenges and instability. It’s Jack Jones giving tours of The Hangar to fans until his final days, , because he wanted people to love Essendon Football Club as much as he did, it’s Michael Long standing up against racism with his club united...

www.donthestat.com

Ripping read that

 

[cobra land]

We're not paid a hefty fee to get it right though.

This under achieving flog who thinks he is the greatest recruiter to ever exist failed over 2 decades to build a side that could even win a final.

And the campaigner wants back in?

GTFO

I have not seen one report that he wants back in, do you have a link?

 

[Keystone agony]

Not only the recruiters but many on here were also sprouting Perkins, Hobbs just to name a couple..it's easy from the cheap seats..

Majority and im saying 90% + on here liked all the 4 top end picks in that time

Every club rated Hobbs highly and most were taking him where we did. In fact several offered us live trades for him

The other 3 were in a poor hugely affected covid year

 

[Jack Richards]

I vote we get Lance Uppercut on the board.

 

[Lore]

It's time to reclaim "Old Essendon".

“Old Essendon” shouldn’t be a divided club, board challenges and instability. It’s Jack Jones giving tours of The Hangar to fans until his final days, , because he wanted people to love Essendon Football Club as much as he did, it’s Michael Long standing up against racism with his club united...

www.donthestat.com

That's a good one.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

We've come out and said 28 was the cut-off.



These two were at the end of 2022. You can't attribute their addition to Scott. Nevertheless Weids was 25 and a former top 10 pick who cost a bag of chips, like Wright did who won the BnF in the year Weids was picked up. You can't blame the club for thinking they could replicate it again. Setters was 24 and has been ideal depth.



McKay was 25 and Gresh was 26. They fit our strategy as they were not over 28 and did not affect our draft hand (the main selling point of it all). When Scott spoke of the "playing together for 8 years" stuff in March 2024 he mentioned that he included both of them in that. We had a glaring hole in the KPD space in light of Zerk's desire to move and a glaring hole in the small forward space. Filled said holes for no picks (as well as got Duursma for Zerk), whereas past Essendon would've done so with older players for picks. Not all players track the way you might think they will and slight adjustments might be made but it doesn't affect the initial plan (more-so Gresh, McKay improved before his injury).



Parish was AA at 24 and battled injuries the year after. While in hindsight we could've gotten rid of him when he was out of contract it is not unlike other teams that build to hold onto some in-house players in their mid-20's if they see potential in them/for experience. You
can't get every call right and it's one wrong call out of many cuts that we did. Shiel was 3 years into his contract, didn't want to leave and if you think any club would've given anything worthwhile for him you're dreamin'.

Still, you can't get rid of all players during a build and you're disregarding all the older players we didn't give contracts to/cut.



You mean like numerous cuts/no contract offers to multiple duds over 2 years that you're negating in your cherry picked examples? Or you mean like how we protected our draft hand at all times?



Half? What a load of BS.

The same players you call senior and say "don't buy the vision" you would've had in your "get rid of them" point earlier. Even then, we don't have many of them... gee I wonder WHY we don't... certainly has NOTHING to do with the 2 years prior. We were one of the least experienced selected sides before the injuries at the start of the year for a reason.

Draper as an FA has a right to get the best for himself. More money + a reported 6 years (was shit and not worth it anyway, good call by the club). Rids is disgruntled due to injury. Merrett's going through footy's mid-life crisis. Nuffies will act like it's bigger than it is due to them coinciding. The challenge is hoping to succeed in thinly veiling itself based on said narrow-minded nuffie take.

I don't care what they cost or whether they fit an artifcal age profile. These are obvious recruitment errors; they are not players you want to help rebuild a list. You want players with skill sets that reenforce non-negotiables. So either he read the list wrong or his talent identification to execute his vision is terrible. Both make my point.

You don't get rid of Parish and Shiel for the pick return, which would have been decent, you do so for the same reason as above. This idea that the seniority of players is what is important is unthinking. Players with bad team traits actively prevent us from improving.

Was Scott coach when we signed Weideman? Yes. Okay he bears some blame and he still cost a second rounder for some downgraded picks to use on bids on two players we've delisted already.

I'm very happy with Rosa but this idea that we relegate everything pre Dodoro removal exclusively onto Dodoro, is my point against Scott for not having a clear enough vision to say no. I don't think a coach with a clear vision and an intimate understanding of modern football like Mitchell, would have made these player choices. Every player he has recruited outside of the draft, is skilled, has a defined role and weren't injury prone. The antithesis of what we did.

Half of the ones you want to keep. So yes half. Couldn't care less if players incapable of being the answer buy the vision.

 

[ghostdog]

I don't care what they cost or whether they fit an artifcal age profile. These are obvious recruitment errors; they are not players you want to help rebuild a list. You want players with skill sets that reenforce non-negotiables. So either he read the list wrong or his talent identification to execute his vision is terrible. Both make my point.

You don't get rid of Parish and Shiel for the pick return, which would have been decent, you do so for the same reason as above. This idea that the seniority of players is what is important is unthinking. Players with bad team traits actively prevent us from improving.

Was Scott coach when we signed Weideman? Yes. Okay he bears some blame and he still cost a second rounder for some downgraded picks to use on bids on two players we've delisted already.

I'm very happy with Rosa but this idea that we relegate everything pre Dodoro removal exclusively onto Dodoro, is my point against Scott for not having a clear enough vision to say no. I don't think a coach with a clear vision and an intimate understanding of modern football like Mitchell, would have made these player choices. Every player he has recruited outside of the draft, is skilled, has a defined role and weren't injury prone. The antithesis of what we did.

Half of the ones you want to keep. So yes half. Couldn't care less if players incapable of being the answer buy the vision.

I think the difference is people coming into EFC who were outsiders and didn't have a good understanding of the club, its culture, its (cough) governance, its list; vs. Mitchell who had come from the club and had kept an eye on it and its fortunes.

The context is also different.
If Hird hadn't f***** it up the first time, we may have found ourselves in a similar position to the Hawks now; not because he's that good, but also because if anyone had the clout to to tell coteries and board members 'nope, we're doing it my way. Adrian, pack your bags.', it was Hird. They actually would have listened and followed. We know this, because they did follow his lead, across the road to the off-site testing facility.

 

[VelvetSledge]

I vote we get Lance Uppercut on the board.

Not sure we need pornstars on our board

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

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Bellchambers...

More like bellend. Amirite.

 

[windyhill]

Analysing Essendon’s Drafting History in the Adrian Dodoro era

Adrian Dodoro: An IntroductionHe’s either the mastermind or the antichrist. A master operator or the single cause of Essendon’s woes of the past 25 years. Few people have polarized Essendon fans more than departed List boss Adrian Dodoro. Having been involved in the list management of the club...

www.donthestat.com

Here's a good article that looks at it from a data perspective and not a recency bias perspective.

Straight from The Fair Works Tribunal.

 

[brutus76]

And i'm only 48!!!!!

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I think the issue was always that the players didn't complement one-another more than anything else.

In a 5-year period we drafted or traded in; Merrett, Parish, McGrath, Smith & Shiel. That's a whole group of midfielders between 176ish and 182ish. That's not even including guys like Clarke and Mutch.

Individually they're all AFL standard guys, but they're not complementary. Sure, we did have Jobe and Myers and Hocking all on the list at various points here who were a bit bigger, but where's the long-term planning and balance to the midfield group? Shiel had a little bit of a POD with his speed, and Merrett with his kicking, but largely it's very samey.

If they were mid-high 180s you could probably have gotten away with it, or if they all had elite IQ / kicking, or elite running power. But I wouldn't say he was necessarily good at identifying key traits for modern AFL players, where I think since the mid-late 2010's the game had moved to a different kind of player and Dodoro wasn't drafting them.

If you took the pre-draft consensus and just drafted in that order for the first 2 rounds, you'd basically have a Dodoro draft. Guys that are fine individually, but may not necessarily provide a complement to the guys we already have.

It's also probably why we have such large arguments over the state of the list. We have a lot of guys that are fine, they're decent AFL players, if they all play good games all at once then we're a good side on our day, but they're not necessarily a team that can play above the sum of it's parts week-in-week-out and we didn't have any true superstars that can take a game apart the way we saw Dangerfield do on Friday night. We end up capping out around the bottom of the 8, but look like we have potential, so supporters get restless thinking it's just a coach change away from being a good side.

Dodoro was not a builder or manager of a list - he was a collector of players.

 

[windyhill]

I have not seen one report that he wants back in, do you have a link?

Surely you jest. The cockroach refuses to **** off, you can smell him.

 

[andleanback]

Absolutely Essendon podcast yesterday said it's Welshy to challenge

Opinion or fact?

 

[andleanback]

Dodoro was not a builder or manager of a list - he was a collector of players.

And average ones of that

 

[brutus76]

Opinion or fact?

Those guys (like the Lunchtime Catchup blokes) are very much in the know

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Analysing Essendon’s Drafting History in the Adrian Dodoro era

Adrian Dodoro: An IntroductionHe’s either the mastermind or the antichrist. A master operator or the single cause of Essendon’s woes of the past 25 years. Few people have polarized Essendon fans more than departed List boss Adrian Dodoro. Having been involved in the list management of the club...

www.donthestat.com

Here's a good article that looks at it from a data perspective and not a recency bias perspective.

So good that other clubs are/were clamouring for his services

 

[Lore]

Dodoro was not a builder or manager of a list - he was a collector of players.

And seemed to take winning and losing every deal and every player as a personal challenge.

 

[DonsRule]

Those guys (like the Lunchtime Catchup blokes) are very much in the know

I've never really listened to their poddy but seen some of their stuff don't think I've ever had a sense they had any real inside info though though could well be wrong just has always come across as general fans

 

[VelvetSledge]

Insane we're still talking about Dodoro when he's been given the arse ages ago

Can't stand the prick.

 

[Lore]

I've never really listened to their poddy but seen some of their stuff don't think I've ever had a sense they had any real inside info though though could well be wrong just has always come across as general fans

Mostly nuffies but they're a big enough pod now that they do get actual club people and players on their show as interviews, and Scooter has some of the inside gossip atm too.

 

[DERO]

We're not paid a hefty fee to get it right though.

This under achieving flog who thinks he is the greatest recruiter to ever exist failed over 2 decades to build a side that could even win a final.

And the campaigner wants back in?

GTFO

Has anyone been able to co form what he was paid out?

 

[DapperDon]

Has anyone been able to co form what he was paid out?

I seem to remember 300k being thrown around, can't say it's a fact though.

 

[Proper Gander]

I vote we get Lance Uppercut on the board.

F no!

Lance Uppercut