Bob Katter

[JoondalupJ]

No matter what you think of Bob love him or hate him, I actually think he says some good things , he,s definately a man of the people.

But his latest commentry about the way we are being subject to ridiculous situations where people in Australia can,t behave the way they want in certain places or complain about things or celebrate certain types of cultural things that are our right to do without having to kow tow to tiny minority groups is SPOT ON.

Some over the top politically correct people in this country are beginning to create a situation here which is making average Australians very angry. I notice it more and more.

I suspect some of the nonsense that we read and hear about is created by our social manipulators rahter than our migrants.

But don,t worry there are certain types of new commers who use political correctness to their advantage. I beleive the time is coming for a very large step back by the Austeralian public to getting Aus back to Australians as it should be.

Disturbing is the news that some Australian things were not allowed in an area or a business place or a place owned by a middle eastern concern because of the nature of the Australianism and the nature of the owners of said property. This happened in Australia.

You can see I,m floating around the edges here because of the open ness of these BF sites.
But all of you of all persuasions know what I am talking about.

I have voted labor all my life except on a couple of occasions in the past when the Libs, believe it or not, got my vote for some policy things I agreed with.

Racism will be thrown my way by this thread and I hope people can give opinions without running the same " oh just another red necked hater amonst us.
Well I am no hater , but I am a fanatical lover of my home , Australia, which I was born in and my family have lived in since transportation on the convict ship Hillsborough in 1798.

When a muslim or a black African from Somalia or Sudan or an Indian or Pakistani or Italian or a German or an English Irish Scot or Welsh or French or South American or an immigrater from any where , comes to my homeland of which I am indigeonous to, as I have my flesh and bones and blood made from and out of the earth I live upon Australia , and have never left its shores in my life yet , one day maybe I,ll travel.THEN I WANT THOSE NEW PEOPLE TO BECOME AUSTRALIANS TO THE LEVEL THAT SATISFIES THEIR FELLOW ALREADY ESTABLISHED AUSTRALIANS . This doesn,t mean they drop their beliefs or totally change , although many Europeans I know are just that, real true blue Australians, and my Chinese neighbour is as Aussie as you can get.
Unfortunately some can,t or won,t change and I now believe without a doubt that we need to be very very very very careful who comes here to live forever and what they expect from Aus.

They will get freedom but they should never ever infringe upon the rights of the real Australians who are here now, that is people who are prepared to come to Rome and be Romans.
We can,t go back and change our peoples actions when invading the real Australians 200 years ago, but we can make it better for them as well.Now I can say that this issue big or small for whoever reads this, real or imagined over politically correctness sometimes I feel like I,m not in my home. And I can tell you that this will be the only thing that changes my VOTE! Who ever takes control of the way we let people come to live in the greatest country on the Earth and absolutely controls the rules and conditions so that only legal immigrants get in, they,ll get my vote.
Thats how strong I feel. Any one who reads and answers this don,t give me the crap about there being no such thing as an illegal refugee, well yes there is when they jump others who tried in the proper manner. If those illegals need sympathy fine but thats all. The people who want to come here legally should be allowed and checked out properly.And be prepared to take on Australian customs and manner as best they can without deserting their own private beliefs, If they hate westerners and our religions then don,t come to live here because your coming for the wrong reason and thats a worry in itself.

If people in certain parts of the world cannot stop killing each other and murdering in the name of greed or religious ridiculousness or power for generations that is not my or my family or any other decent Australians problem.
If those places create refugees thats terrible but thats not my problem.
If my fellow Australians start murdering me and other Aussies because of tribal political greed typed things then we here will be as stuffed as the countries these refugees run from.If and when that happens , we Aussies will remain here and solve our own problems in the stupid way most humans do, but I think we,re smarter than that. SO WAKE UP AUSTRALIA.

 

[Pessimistic]

You can start with the thousands of baby boomer, hanson loving, liberal voting poms who'd rather piss blood than become Australian citizens but still get the vote for some crazy reason.

The sooner they die off the sooner this country will progress properly.

OP are you truly indigenous by the way ?

 

[mantis]

You can start with the thousands of baby boomer, hanson loving, liberal voting poms who'd rather piss blood than become Australian citizens but still get the vote for some crazy reason.

The sooner they die off the sooner this country will progress properly.

OP are you truly indigenous by the way ?

He says he is the product of the first boat people who came here illegally, without permission from the indigenous Australians. Strange that his relatives refused to assimilate & instead forced the original peoples to change to their pommy way of life.

 

[Inferno]

Keep on topic and stay away from the name calling please folks.

 

[JoondalupJ]

You can start with the thousands of baby boomer, hanson loving, liberal voting poms who'd rather piss blood than become Australian citizens but still get the vote for some crazy reason.

The sooner they die off the sooner this country will progress properly.

OP are you truly indigenous by the way ?

I was born and bred on this land, my bones and flesh and blood is of this land I consider myself othing else but of this land.
I don,t know any other way to say it. My genetics are anglo saxon, I have five generations behind me unlike the hundreds of generations of the first people, but I am born of this land by parents who were born of this land so I consider myself as indigeonous as the second generation of people who came here 40-60 thousand years ago.
I respect their ownership of this land and I respect my Australianism in the same way.
For me they are the first and I am part of the next, but people who are allowed here and don,t see that because of religions or politics or whatever fanaticism, they do not belong here. Only the likes of me and mine and the first nations people belong here or anyone who comes who wants to be us.

Its the only way to survive, to be too multi cultural creates too many differences for too many people.
I guess I mean intergrate totally, or you are not one of us.And if you DO want that, you can be purple for all I care. Where ever you come from . I mean it. The poms you talk about should become Australians instantly if they intend to stay, yes that I agree with.

As I said before, I have friends and some relatives from other parts of this world, and they ARE Australians.And bring no problems with them to their new home whatsoever. They are lucky people.

 

[mantis]

I was born and bred on this land, my bones and flesh and blood is of this land I consider myself othing else but of this land.
I don,t know any other way to say it. My genetics are anglo saxon, I have five generations behind me unlike the hundreds of generations of the first people, but I am born of this land by parents who were born of this land so I consider myself as indigeonous as the second generation of people who came here 40-60 thousand years ago.
I respect their ownership of this land and I respect my Australianism in the same way.
For me they are the first and I am part of the next, but people who are allowed here and don,t see that because of religions or politics or whatever fanaticism, they do not belong here. Only the likes of me and mine and the first nations people belong here or anyone who comes who wants to be us.

Its the only way to survive, to be too multi cultural creates too many differences for too many people.
I guess I mean intergrate totally, or you are not one of us.And if you DO want that, you can be purple for all I care. Where ever you come from . I mean it. The poms you talk about should become Australians instantly if they intend to stay, yes that I agree with.

As I said before, I have friends and some relatives from other parts of this world, and they ARE Australians.And bring no problems with them to their new home whatsoever. They are lucky people.

So why didn't your family assimilate to the way of the life of the people who's land they illegally came to & instead forced them to adopt your invading relatives way of life?

 

[JoondalupJ]

He says he is the product of the first boat people who came here illegally, without permission from the indigenous Australians. Strange that his relatives refused to assimilate & instead forced the original peoples to change to their pommy way of life.

This is really hard to answer , but yes your right . My people invaded this country and yes they took over they had no consideration for the first nations people, they were too powerful and advanced and there were too many , BUT , they knew no better then. And it has taken a lot of years to even get close to understanding what we did to our brothers and sisters who were here first.

So to equate the first fleet and the few that followed and the convict ships that came here with every description of people, is a little rich to compare to the last 50/60/70 years of immigration from England Ireland Scotland and Wales let alone all the European immigrants.

No, we got no permission from the first people , we just came and claimed and unloaded the Hulk prison ships on the Thames and sent our own brand of slave eg convicts , it was a product of the 18th century.
The Americas were lost. So the great southland became it. And the French were hanging around too.
Its history and its nature. People from everywhere have been invading and conquering different peoples forever it is a human trait good and bad in every way you look at it.

But I am as Australian as any aboriginal person in this country.
And I expect any new commers to be the same and claim and stay true and as hard as it may be become us or get the hell out.

By the way some of us black and white indigeonous Australians should try to welcome some of the new commers if they have no where else to go.
But its hard if your confronted with a large very black African man who may be a muslim and who has no idea of how our culture works, but you should try.

The point I,m making is, that it IS the NEW ones COMMING HERE in this 21st century who have to do the learning of how we are in Australia.
We 18th century anglo /celtic/gaelic/ european Australians who have been here for 2 to 6 generations
we have to learn and are learning how to become one with the originals as well.
We,re not father christmas in that area, but we should not let our country become something we don,t want.
So without sounding like a racist mongrel , lets not have reverse racism delivered to our own door step .
No one has a right to our country. Unfortunately for the first peoples the invaders of the 18th century were always going to change this land but now we need to pull up, and keep it good for all of us who think along the same lines. That is the history of human beings.
My initial reaction to new people foisting their ways on my people was what was described in an article I read and backed up by Bob Katter and was why I got a bit annoyed. I want Australia as it is now with some understanding for any and every individual that sets foot in this place.

 

[Dry Rot]

What really is "Australian" JoondalupJ ?

Would you include various Asian neighbours I have?

What about the Caucasian gay couple next door?

Or the Islamic couple upstairs?

 

[mantis]

So it's OK for your relatives to invade & force changes on the original inhabitants, but you don't wan't the new invaders to do the same? It boils down that you want this country to stay the way your invading relatives made it & the newcomers don't have the same rights as they did. Yeah OK.

 

[JoondalupJ]

So why didn't your family assimilate to the way of the life of the people who's land they illegally came to & instead forced them to adopt your invading relatives way of life"

Try and understand this . Read some history and ask the Romans why they didn,t adopt the cultures of the people they invaded and crushed in some cases.

Its that unfortunate historical fact that in our past history all races and nations have stood over others and changed them. Its that human thing . I don,t get it and maybe you don,t but at least today we are talking about rights of others. I don,t think the Romans or the British of 200/300 years ago even let it enter their heads.
Thats all I can say.

I can only add that my home is my home. I don,t mind new commers, but they fit with me , not me with them.
If the party I vote for doesn,t see that , then I will vote for the other. Simple , thats what this was all about. And I beleive we are becomming a bit to easy in allowing rules and laws to disregard what the Australian people want , what ever bloody colour they are, this is not racism its keeping your identity.
Its being Australian, like I said before, I have a chinese Australian neighbour who thinks the same .
Do you see what I,m saying, hard subject but we have to talk about it.

Its keeping this the best place in the world to live and be prepared to fight to keep it that way.
I don,t mean with violence either I mean by democratic decision to make everyone happy who wants to be an Aussie. Thats it. If it takes something harder then so be it. And this is not some white supremist rave. those critters are badly informed and reason there prejudices blindly, if thats what anyone thinks your wrong.

 

[JoondalupJ]

So it's OK for your relatives to invade & force changes on the original inhabitants, but you don't wan't the new invaders to do the same? It boils down that you want this country to stay the way your invading relatives made it & the newcomers don't have the same rights as they did. Yeah OK.

Roughly yes. That means the country and its culture stays the same , the people who live in it agree. Simple. Remember its 2012 not 1788 or for that matter the time of Caesar.

 

[mantis]

Roughly yes. That means the country and its culture stays the same , the people who live in it agree. Simple. Remember its 2012 not 1788 or for that matter the time of Caesar.

Only certain people, not all.

 

[JoondalupJ]

What really is "Australian" JoondalupJ ?

Would you include various Asian neighbours I have?

What about the Caucasian gay couple next door?

Or the Islamic couple upstairs?

Yes all of them. I have the same neighbours, but I don,t want to be preached to by muslims christians jews. If I do I will initiate the thing.
I don,t want my muslim neighbour upstairs telling me it offends his culture if I put up Xmas decorations, see .

I did mention DR, that I beleive the politically correct are not generally these new people, they are generally half wits who think that to blink side ways at someone is an insult. Well it aint in AUS.
Good night folks I,m done in. HAWTHORN FOR PREMIERS 2013!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[Pessimistic]

So if we get invaded by 'superior force' thats OK ?

Just not peaceful settlers ?

 

[PottSie2]

Integration and assimilation is key to successful migration. My parents, and myself, family and extended family have all done it successfully. It's key to getting the best out of our life in Australia. Of course we did it some 30 years ago when it was expected, and this PC bs was non existent.

But today, we have an environment where we don't preach integration, and those that do, are labelled any number of terms to try and shut down debate by wanna elitists without any experience. See this thread for such people.

And of course there are certain types of people that make better migrants than others. Those that expect the host nation to change for themselves instead of vice versa, are the wrong ones, and we all know which minority comes to mind.

 

[Taylor]

I live upon Australia , and have never left its shores in my life yet , one day maybe I,ll travel.

I realise it's not particularly relevant to you at the moment, but getting out of Australia for a while, perhaps to Canada for a start since it is so similar to here, will broaden your understanding of our own issues in ways you didn't even consider possible. I don't mean to Bali either.

Our media is just as bad as the US. Only where the American's only get to hear and read about issues and events relating to their own country, we get to hear about every single little event that could possibly be dramatised into something greater because nothing bad happens in this country.

Sharks, Young drivers, the football news starting at 6:10pm, whatever Ben Cousins is doing at the moment.

If Australia has a problem it's that everything here is going so well, and we need to complain about something so bad, that a cultural misunderstanding becomes a race riot.

Just as an aside, there were seven shootings in San Fransisco over five days last month, three murders and five police shootings, if that happened here the media would lose it's mind and so would the population. Nobody cared over there, life just went on (except for the ones shot, obviously) and you can say that life is different in the US and there's nothing like that here to get used to, which is why we would flip out over it and that's exactly my point. Nothing bad happens here, things that aren't really a problem get promoted to drama to fill the void.

 

[Pessimistic]

Integration and assimilation is key to successful migration. My parents, and myself, family and extended family have all done it successfully. It's key to getting the best out of our life in Australia. Of course we did it some 30 years ago when it was expected, and this PC bs was non existent.

But today, we have an environment where we don't preach integration, and those that do, are labelled any number of terms to try and shut down debate by wanna elitists without any experience. See this thread for such people.

And of course there are certain types of people that make better migrants than others. Those that expect the host nation to change for themselves instead of vice versa, are the wrong ones, and we all know which minority comes to mind.

Are you talking, like me, about the perm resident Brits who have a vote but would rather eat razor blades than become an aussie citizen ?
They quite clearly expect this to be Britain with better weather
They wont even make the slight change to become a citizen - so they fit your description of intransigence
PS I am brit born but have become a citizen

 

[mantis]

Integration and assimilation is key to successful migration. My parents, and myself, family and extended family have all done it successfully. It's key to getting the best out of our life in Australia. Of course we did it some 30 years ago when it was expected, and this PC bs was non existent.

But today, we have an environment where we don't preach integration, and those that do, are labelled any number of terms to try and shut down debate by wanna elitists without any experience. See this thread for such people.

And of course there are certain types of people that make better migrants than others. Those that expect the host nation to change for themselves instead of vice versa, are the wrong ones, and we all know which minority comes to mind.

The Poms?

 

[PottSie2]

2 people intentionally wrong. Can't even bring themselves to say it. How sad.

 

[mantis]

2 people intentionally wrong. Can't even bring themselves to say it. How sad.

So you & which other person?

 

[Fuzzy Wuzzy Bear]

No matter what you think of Bob love him or hate him, I actually think he says some good things , he,s definately a man of the people.

But his latest commentry about the way we are being subject to ridiculous situations where people in Australia can,t behave the way they want in certain places or complain about things or celebrate certain types of cultural things that are our right to do without having to kow tow to tiny minority groups is SPOT ON.

Some over the top politically correct people in this country are beginning to create a situation here which is making average Australians very angry. I notice it more and more.

I suspect some of the nonsense that we read and hear about is created by our social manipulators rahter than our migrants.

But don,t worry there are certain types of new commers who use political correctness to their advantage. I beleive the time is coming for a very large step back by the Austeralian public to getting Aus back to Australians as it should be.

Disturbing is the news that some Australian things were not allowed in an area or a business place or a place owned by a middle eastern concern because of the nature of the Australianism and the nature of the owners of said property. This happened in Australia.

You can see I,m floating around the edges here because of the open ness of these BF sites.
But all of you of all persuasions know what I am talking about.

I have voted labor all my life except on a couple of occasions in the past when the Libs, believe it or not, got my vote for some policy things I agreed with.

Racism will be thrown my way by this thread and I hope people can give opinions without running the same " oh just another red necked hater amonst us.
Well I am no hater , but I am a fanatical lover of my home , Australia, which I was born in and my family have lived in since transportation on the convict ship Hillsborough in 1798.

When a muslim or a black African from Somalia or Sudan or an Indian or Pakistani or Italian or a German or an English Irish Scot or Welsh or French or South American or an immigrater from any where , comes to my homeland of which I am indigeonous to, as I have my flesh and bones and blood made from and out of the earth I live upon Australia , and have never left its shores in my life yet , one day maybe I,ll travel.THEN I WANT THOSE NEW PEOPLE TO BECOME AUSTRALIANS TO THE LEVEL THAT SATISFIES THEIR FELLOW ALREADY ESTABLISHED AUSTRALIANS . This doesn,t mean they drop their beliefs or totally change , although many Europeans I know are just that, real true blue Australians, and my Chinese neighbour is as Aussie as you can get.
Unfortunately some can,t or won,t change and I now believe without a doubt that we need to be very very very very careful who comes here to live forever and what they expect from Aus.

They will get freedom but they should never ever infringe upon the rights of the real Australians who are here now, that is people who are prepared to come to Rome and be Romans.
We can,t go back and change our peoples actions when invading the real Australians 200 years ago, but we can make it better for them as well.Now I can say that this issue big or small for whoever reads this, real or imagined over politically correctness sometimes I feel like I,m not in my home. And I can tell you that this will be the only thing that changes my VOTE! Who ever takes control of the way we let people come to live in the greatest country on the Earth and absolutely controls the rules and conditions so that only legal immigrants get in, they,ll get my vote.
Thats how strong I feel. Any one who reads and answers this don,t give me the crap about there being no such thing as an illegal refugee, well yes there is when they jump others who tried in the proper manner. If those illegals need sympathy fine but thats all. The people who want to come here legally should be allowed and checked out properly.And be prepared to take on Australian customs and manner as best they can without deserting their own private beliefs, If they hate westerners and our religions then don,t come to live here because your coming for the wrong reason and thats a worry in itself.

If people in certain parts of the world cannot stop killing each other and murdering in the name of greed or religious ridiculousness or power for generations that is not my or my family or any other decent Australians problem.
If those places create refugees thats terrible but thats not my problem.
If my fellow Australians start murdering me and other Aussies because of tribal political greed typed things then we here will be as stuffed as the countries these refugees run from.If and when that happens , we Aussies will remain here and solve our own problems in the stupid way most humans do, but I think we,re smarter than that. SO WAKE UP AUSTRALIA.

There is no doubt that some people are not compatible with our culture, the problem I have with the hard left is that they are only willing to look at the good aspects of multiculturalism and ignore the negative ones. You should take the good with the bad. England is a prime example - it now has many Islamic ghettos which has caused much division within the community. Does this condemn all Muslims - of course not - but denying the problem is growing is reckless. The strange thing is many of these people are trying to turn their host nation into what they were trying to get away from in the first place when they immigrated..

 

[Pessimistic]

There is no doubt that some people are not compatible with our culture, the problem I have with the hard left is that they are only willing to look at the good aspects of multiculturalism and ignore the negative ones. You should take the good with the bad. England is a prime example - it now has many Islamic ghettos which has caused much division within the community. Does this condemn all Muslims - of course not - but denying the problem is growing is reckless. The strange thing is many of these people are trying to turn their host nation into what they were trying to get away from in the first place when they immigrated..

You may be putting words in the mouth of "The left" or "Hard left"

Whats not ofren mentioned is these hardline muslims referrerd to have much more in common with our parties on the right, for example

Are they "Liberal" in name only ?

 

[Fuzzy Wuzzy Bear]

You may be putting words in the mouth of "The left" or "Hard left"

Whats not ofren mentioned is these hardline muslims referrerd to have much more in common with our parties on the right, for example

Are they "Liberal" in name only ?[/quote]

Yes.

I agree hardline Muslims have much in common with our resident hardline Christians like Jim Wallace and the ACL, and much of the right. I don't think the left sees that though, and they are usually the ones pushing so hard for diversity and multicultualism.

 

[Pessimistic]

These barely one thing in the muslim requrements that havent been allowed to others for decades - Jews is the best example

For example theres NEVER pork or ham at a corporate function

 

[JoondalupJ]

These barely one thing in the muslim requrements that havent been allowed to others for decades - Jews is the best example

For example theres NEVER pork or ham at a corporate function

It gets harder and harder doesn,t it. If you make a comment about how you don,t want things changed you are open the tag of a biggot and racist.

But the pork/ham thing is a perfect example. Why should I in my land of birth have kow tow to some individual who is in fact in a minority whose religion tells him he can,t have pork, and yet I may love pork , but because we are so into this, don,t offend our minoritys stuff, that I get infuriated with this nonsense.

If we want to be brave enough to tell the truth, the fact is Jewish people fit the world we live in here in Australia.
But I don,t believe Islam fits Australia at all. And I don,t care in there's been Afghanistanis here for 150 years, I bet his descendants wouldn,t have a beer with me . Or a delicious ham sanger!!!!!!!!
If a person thinks that statement is frivolous and not important, they are very wrong.
To me and I might add many many people I know it is extremely important .
To come to the greatest place on planet earth AUSTRALIA you become us or we become absolutely NOT the greatest place on Earth. At your peril you super lefties.
I don,t hate a single person on this planet, but I know who and what I am, and I know who and what some others are, some of them I don,t and in some cases can,t mix with. There are thousands of decent non racist Australians who think that. How in the hell do you make multiculturalism work when inside everyone knows what I,m talking about.