Bode trade!

[Pie 4 Life]

Bode for McGough and second round pick?

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by The Lonie Range
Bode for McGough and second round pick?

SOLD!!

 

[Alex99]

Originally posted by The Lonie Range
Bode for McGough and second round pick?

YOUR JOkING,

that is just absolute dribble, idiot

 

[tribey]

Re: Re: Bode trade!

Originally posted by crows98
YOUR JOkING,

that is just absolute dribble, idiot

Matthew Bode Career Stats

Yeah... considering we gave up a first round pick (Shaun Burgoyne) for him and he's provided us with nothing but inconsistency and poor delivery ever since finally taking the field for us in 2002, what a ridiculous idea to cash in on a decent youngster and a low second round pick for him!

For what we gave Bode should be a gun. He isn't. That deal would be a fantastic exercise in loss cutting.

 

[Alex99]

Re: Re: Re: Bode trade!

Originally posted by dyertribe
Matthew Bode Career Stats

Yeah... considering we gave up a first round pick (Shaun Burgoyne) for him and he's provided us with nothing but inconsistency and poor delivery ever since finally taking the field for us in 2002, what a ridiculous idea to cash in on a decent youngster and a low second round pick for him!

For what we gave Bode should be a gun. He isn't. That deal would be a fantastic exercise in loss cutting.

what giving him up for mark Mcgough and a second round pick, Your joking dyertribe

with a new coach the bodester will become a regular and become a very good player.

 

[spindoctor]

McGough isn't decent.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by crows98
with a new coach the bodester will become a regular and become a very good player.

Pure speculation. He's been rubbish since 2002 and still struggles under Craig.

Originally posted by spindoctor
McGough isn't decent.

*He's only just turned 20 last month.

*29 and 33 possession games (as a 19yo) against Essendon and Port Adelaide this year isn't decent?

*Averaging 18.55 possessions a game in a side that's struggling isn't decent?

*On top a low second round pick (#19? #20?)

*In exchange for an inconsistent disinterested 25yo Bode who can't string two games together in an appalling side and averages a whopping 13.53 disposals over his entire career?!

How the hell is that a bad trade?!!

 

[Carmelo Anthony]

McGough = Modern day Matt Connell

 

[Crow-mosone]

1. it's probably not an even trade anyway.
2. McGough is slow. Real slow. The wrong sort of player for us, we do not need to make our midfield anymore pedestrian.

 

[Bockchoy67]

Not a bad trade at all. In fact, I doubt the Pies would allow it.

To me, McGough looks the type of player who could possibly win you games. Yet, he tends to struggle with inconsistency.

I'm not saying Bodey's a bad player, because he has better pace and disposal than McGough. It's just that with Whitlam being young and talented, so can't help but see a good future in that trade. Especially with a second round draft pick.

Mind you, it would probably be a forth round.

We can't get too greedy now!

 

[maccas_no1]

I would go with that trade for sure, I young promising 20 yr old who will shine more than an ill bred port slop boy, I say It's a deal

 

[tribey]

Thank christ a couple of you agree with me!

For Matthew Bode I'd be happy with just the second-round pick, let alone a 20yo who is already a ball magnet and has plenty of scope to improve thrown in!

 

[Skippy_14]

**** off! Craigy won't (and shouldn't) trade Bode for some Collingwood ****er. McGough is slow, stupid, and overall top-class CRAP! Haven't we learnt anything from the Schell, S.Stevens & Fitzgerald trades?

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Skippy_14
**** off! Craigy won't (and shouldn't) trade Bode for some Collingwood ****er. McGough is slow, stupid, and overall top-class CRAP! Haven't we learnt anything from the Schell, S.Stevens & Fitzgerald trades?

What?!

McGough has only just turned 20 and gets the ball far more than that incompetent hack you love so much.

 

[Alex99]

Originally posted by dyertribe
Pure speculation. He's been rubbish since 2002 and still struggles under Craig.

Only played one game, vs Melbourne and did quite well.

Missed Swans game and the freo game.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Mark McGough:
Mark McGough




Guernsey Number: 27


Height 188cm


Weight: 88kg


Recruited From: Mulwala/Murray U18


Debut: 2002


Date of Birth: 22 June 1984


FANFILE


MAGPIE BIOGRAPHY
Stunned the football world by winning five Brownlow Medal votes in his first two matches, including three for his effort to win the Anzac Day Medal against Essendon in round five 2002 while still only 17. The physically mature teenager became an immediate favourite among Collingwood fans for his hard-nosed, no-fuss and unruffled approach. Now a third-year player who faces a challenge to prove his worth after a 2003 season that netted him only eight games. Although instrumental in the Magpies’ win over Geelong in round 18 with his hardness in close, queries still hang over his pace and disposal. Played in Williamstown’s VFL premiership side despite carrying a groin complaint, which continues to hamper his preparation for 2004. Wonderful in and under ball winner, but lacks versatility, so will have to get his body right and work hard on his skills to get ahead of some more multi-faceted midfielders on the Collingwood list.



PLAYER HONOURS
AFL
National Rising Star nomination 2002

TAC Cup
Team of the Year 2001
Murray Bushrangers best & fairest 2001





FACT FILE
Brownlow Medal
2002 votes - 8
career votes - 8

Draft history
Selected by Collingwood with the 43rd pick in 2001 national draft



Player Statistics - Mark McGough
Season
AFL 2004 Premiership Season

Round Date vs. K H P M HO T FF FA G B
Round 5 25/04/2004 Essendon 18 11 29 7 0 2 0 0 2 0
Round 6 02/05/2004 Port Adelaide 21 12 33 10 0 0 1 0 1 2
Round 7 08/05/2004 Carlton 6 7 13 1 0 7 0 1 0 0
Round 8 15/05/2004 St Kilda 11 4 15 3 0 5 0 1 1 0
Round 9 21/05/2004 Adelaide 14 7 21 10 0 0 0 1 0 0
Round 10 29/05/2004 Kangaroos 12 7 19 6 0 2 1 0 0 1
Round 11 04/06/2004 West Coast Eagles 4 6 10 1 0 0 0 1 0 0
Round 12 14/06/2004 Melbourne 7 10 17 3 0 2 1 1 1 0
Round 13 26/06/2004 Sydney Swans 3 7 10 1 0 2 0 0 0 1

 

[BulldogMike]

McGough would be worth a trade.

 

[spindoctor]

McGough is

- slow
- has poor disposal
- is woefully inconsistent

We already have Skipworth. We don't need McGough.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by spindoctor
McGough is

- slow
- has poor disposal
- is woefully inconsistent

We already have Skipworth. We don't need McGough.

Agree.

We bag Bode for his bad disposal but crickey McGough is worse.

Dyertribe, where did yo get that Bode is struggling under Craig??????

He was very good before he got injured. Can't do anything if you are stuck in the medical room

 

[_espoir]

I think what DT is trying to show everyone about McGough, is that he has just turned 20, he is in a side that isnt doing that crash hot this season, yet he is still getting an adverage of 18.55 possessions a game.

Just picture him in the midfield with stars such as Goodwin, Roo, Macca. Learning from true talent which he isnt getting from Collingwood. Buckley? hasnt been there.

And so IMO i kinda agree with DT. Seems like a good trade off for a younger play that has played some pretty hard games in a struggling for form team but still able to get a good amount of the ball. But dont work ya self up over it, might not even be on the tables.

Haven't we learnt anything from the Schell, S.Stevens & Fitzgerald trades

You cant compare him to those players. They aren't Midfield players.

If you wanna go along those lines, then you should add the Carey trade.

 

[Portia]

That would be a great value trade for the Crows, and would enhance the benefits of trading for Ottens if you did.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by _espoir
I think what DT is trying to show everyone about McGough, is that he has just turned 20, he is in a side that isnt doing that crash hot this season, yet he is still getting an adverage of 18.55 possessions a game.

Just picture him in the midfield with stars such as Goodwin, Roo, Macca. Learning from true talent which he isnt getting from Collingwood. Buckley? hasnt been there.

And so IMO i kinda agree with DT. Seems like a good trade off for a younger play that has played some pretty hard games in a struggling for form team but still able to get a good amount of the ball. But dont work ya self up over it, might not even be on the tables.

I can see where DT is coming from and I agree that it would be a great trade for us BUT not because McGough is involved. I am more interested in the 2nd round draft pick that is likely to be an earlier 2nd round pick.

I don't rate McGough and using his average possesions per game does him more credit. I wonder how many of those possesions are turnovers. McGough lacks pace and his disposal is not good at all.

As I said we bag Bode and Burton for burning the ball and McGough is worse than those 2 so his possesions really are irrelevant in this debate. Whats the use of getting 20 possesions in a game when 15 of them you kick down opponents throat??????

Having said that it is a good trade for us but I would be happy with 2nd rounder alone because Bode will not attract much better than that.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18

Having said that it is a good trade for us but I would be happy with 2nd rounder alone because Bode will not attract much better than that.

Think its time for Bode to move on - 2nd round draft pick grab it with both hands.
I suspect with a more attacking gameplan Craig would be looking for pace through the midfield and accurate disposal - something Bode doesn't have.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Think its time for Bode to move on - 2nd round draft pick grab it with both hands.
I suspect with a more attacking gameplan Craig would be looking for pace through the midfield and accurate disposal - something Bode doesn't have.

So yo have finally accepted the fact that Craig is our coach for at least 2 years??????

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by _espoir
I think what DT is trying to show everyone about McGough, is that he has just turned 20, he is in a side that isnt doing that crash hot this season, yet he is still getting an adverage of 18.55 possessions a game.

Just picture him in the midfield with stars such as Goodwin, Roo, Macca. Learning from true talent which he isnt getting from Collingwood. Buckley? hasnt been there.

Bingo.

I don't understand how a bevy of people who defend the likes of Reilly, Doughty, Skipworth, can slag off McGough and say that a player-trade (in this part of the argument we'll forget the 2nd rounder as it's all hypothetical anyway) involving him for Matthew Bode is a bad trade and that the Collingwood kid is a poor/bad player.

People say McGough is slow - well Bode isn't exactly speedy gonzales either.

People say McGough's disposal is questionable - well Bode's is far from rivalling Darren Jarman's either.

What McGough does have going for him is his ability to get the ball, his in-and-under qualities and his youth. He is young and has plenty of time and room to improve (on his disposal and even his legspeed if he sheds some muscle a la Ricciuto did)

But the "still young, can/will improve" is exactly the argument put forward by:

*Stiffy_18 in defence of Reilly
*spindoctor in defence of Doughty
*Skippy14 in defence of Skipworth

Some doublestandards surely?!

McGough is streets ahead of all three of these players at same stage of their careers and development, and he is twice the player Bode is now.

In fact if we offered the Pies Bode for McGough in a straight swap Micky and Eddie would laugh their heads off before introducing our heads to the pavement outside Victoria Park.