Brad Moran

[Riggy1]

Ruck work ok, jeeze you have no idea. We was one of the best Ruckman from all 3 games yesterday + the Fremantle game

he had the 3rd best % of hitouts to advantage in the Newspaper today, if you didnt notice

Brogan 15 (33%)
Blake 15 (31%)
Moran 26 (27%)
Taylor 15 (27%)
Cox 32 (22%)
Maric 22 (22%)
Mumford 10 (20%)
White 19 (16%)
Lucas 7 (14%)
White 35 (14%)
Bradley 8 (13%)
Renouf 15 (13%)
Ryder 25 (12%)
Sandilands 27 (7%)
Lade 10 (0%)

and No im not argueing about what Ryder did around the field, because I dont want to reitereate something i said earlier.

And wood duck. Dont attack me for using stats, you used SC scores FFS and got them wrong by about 10 points as well

 

[crowsup]

When Hille hurt himself and Ryder had to take over the ruck, Ryder played the game of his life (so far). Unfortunately, some people, still see him playing THAT game, so he cannot do anything wrong.
How could, Moran especially, be compared favourably to Ryder, when Ryder played so well 3 or 4 weeks ago?
One other thing, as an example, both Edwards and Vince had at least two clangers that cost us goals. Moran had two clangers (if you can call them that) that did not cost us goals, but he gets assassinated for it.
Go and figure!

 

[Wood_Duck]

Ruck work ok, jeeze you have no idea. We was one of the best Ruckman from all 3 games yesterday + the Fremantle game

he had the 3rd best % of hitouts to advantage in the Newspaper today, if you didnt notice

Brogan 15 (33%)
Blake 15 (31%)
Moran 26 (27%)
Taylor 15 (27%)
Cox 32 (22%)
Maric 22 (22%)
Mumford 10 (20%)
White 19 (16%)
Lucas 7 (14%)
White 35 (14%)
Bradley 8 (13%)
Renouf 15 (13%)
Ryder 25 (12%)
Sandilands 27 (7%)
Lade 10 (0%)

and No im not argueing about what Ryder did around the field, because I dont want to reitereate something i said earlier.

And wood duck. Dont attack me for using stats, you used SC scores FFS and got them wrong by about 10 points as well

Dude I have not attacked you, ever. I said his Ruck work was OK. I think we agree.
His work around the ground yesterday wasnt so good. yeah yeah I know, you dont care.

 

[Wood_Duck]

well they are from the advertiser, so they probably are fake

I got mine from the Herald Sun, go figure.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Sorry to butt in here WD but IMHO Ryder was jumping too early in many of the centre bounces in the first half whereas Moran and Maric held their feet, only to have the ball end up with the Bombers midfielders. I think he should have been penalised a few times for this especially with using his knee up.

Hes got such a good leap he does jump early to avoid being outbodied by bigger opponents. I would hate to see too many frees at the centre bounces. Very difficult to pull infringements out of some of those contests.

 

[beartoo]

Wasn't a free paid against Moran yesterday for 'jumping early'? Pretty sure I heard the umpy say that. Must look at the tape.

 

[King Elvis]

Sorry to butt in here WD but IMHO Ryder was jumping too early in many of the centre bounces in the first half whereas Moran and Maric held their feet, only to have the ball end up with the Bombers midfielders. I think he should have been penalised a few times for this especially with using his knee up.

He was rucking properly, instead of running in, stopping and standing there and then tapping the ball.

Times his leaps very well and jumps over the opposition ruckman.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

He was rucking properly, instead of running in, stopping and standing there and then tapping the ball.

Times his leaps very well and jumps over the opposition ruckman.

Call it what you want but Ryder didn't win the majority of taps!

With 77% TOG he managed less hit-outs, less to advantage, a massive 1 additional possession than Moran who only played 53%.

The 1 thing Ryder did very well, and apart from this his game would have been very modest to say the least, was an excellent tackle count of 11 Impressive and important.

But seriously to commend him on his ruckwork, and then disparage the bloke who beat him, is surely clutching at straws?

(btw Ruckwatch will be on tonight...i am sure it is anticipated as much as Rucci's articles. I'll make brief comment on the opposition rucks as a whole but i wont separate Ryder/Lucas in the stats. I'm sure many are over the endless ruck analysis, use your discretion and don't read the thread.)

 

[Tambaran]

But seriously to commend him on his ruckwork, and then disparage the bloke who beat him, is surely clutching at straws?

 

[crowsarethebest]

Call it what you want but Ryder didn't win the majority of taps!

With 77% TOG he managed less hit-outs, less to advantage, a massive 1 additional possession than Moran who only played 53%.

The 1 thing Ryder did very well, and apart from this his game would have been very modest to say the least, was an excellent tackle count of 11 Impressive and important.

But seriously to commend him on his ruckwork, and then disparage the bloke who beat him, is surely clutching at straws?

(btw Ruckwatch will be on tonight...i am sure it is anticipated as much as Rucci's articles. I'll make brief comment on the opposition rucks as a whole but i wont separate Ryder/Lucas in the stats. I'm sure many are over the endless ruck analysis, use your discretion and don't read the thread.)

Dude don't be so one eyed. Ryder>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Moran. I don't give a shit what the stats say, Ryder influenced the game much more than Moran end of story. Ryder actually has a clue what to do with the footy in his hands while Moran can't hit a target 20m away with no pressure. Moran has improved but his presence is like a 180cm player not a 200cm ruckman. If we could merge Moran and Maric then we'd have a player but at the moment Maric and Moran while each have their own good attributes they both don't look like developing into 200 game ruckman at the moment.

 

[Adelaide Cows]

Dude don't be so one eyed. Ryder>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Moran. I don't give a shit what the stats say, Ryder influenced the game much more than Moran end of story. Ryder actually has a clue what to do with the footy in his hands while Moran can't hit a target 20m away with no pressure. Moran has improved but his presence is like a 180cm player not a 200cm ruckman. If we could merge Moran and Maric then we'd have a player but at the moment Maric and Moran while each have their own good attributes they both don't look like developing into 200 game ruckman at the moment.

Agree with a fair bit of this, however Ryder has played around50 more games than Moran. Moran is doing enough to hold his spot at the momment and with every game his ruck work and work around the ground is improving, so too will his decision making.

 

[fryingpan]

Another 'meh' game by Moran is probably the best way to describe it. Not horribly bad but nowhere near good.

 

[frednerk33]

while each have their own good attributes they both don't look like developing into 200 game ruckman at the moment.

catb and fryer, oh dear, more who didn't watch the game. When do you think they'll look like developing into them, after they've done so ?

 

[StuPendus]

He was rucking properly, instead of running in, stopping and standing there and then tapping the ball.

Times his leaps very well and jumps over the opposition ruckman.

I think you should watch it again. He jumps early, our ruckmen keep their feet, but unfortunately their mids read off us better and clear it.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

I think you should watch it again. He jumps early, our ruckmen keep their feet, but unfortunately their mids read off us better and clear it.

True.

The aim is to win the tap pure and simple.

Smart players will adjust their tactics to suit the opposition to achieve this desired aim (i have no doubt Clarke is helping our boys immensely in this area).

You'll notice one obvious example where Moran does jump high and early to meet Ryder in the ruck. It was a spectacular contest...high leaping, great clash of bodies, arms and legs everywhere. Problem was neither ruckman got near tapping the ball!! Clearly against Ryder the early leap was more times than not be ineffectual. If you jump at normal time you risk him using you as a step ladder to propel him further up (this happened a couple times also). But overall Moran was smart (as was Maric) to use their advantages and judge the ball better and get the tap. I was very impressed with both of them and their intelligent ruckwork because if they followed stupid tactics they would have played into Ryder's hands.

Similar story when Moran was criticised against Brisbane's Clark for staying on the ground too often. He won more taps!! Then the next week he used his leap far more...clever i say and good ruck coaching. Now we just need someone other than Matthew Clarke to coach them to improve their around the ground confidence, marking and ability to take the game on in other areas!

 

[SydCrow]

I thought he was good today. Won his share of taps, put on some heavy tackles and showed his usual mobility. He seems to be getting better every week, perhaps as his confidence grows.

Kudos Brad

 

[CrowHop]

I thought he was good today. Won his share of taps, put on some heavy tackles and showed his usual mobility. He seems to be getting better every week, perhaps as his confidence grows.

Kudos Brad

As with most inexperienced players, they benefit when confidence is showed in them and they are able to string some games together.

Similar numbers to last week :

12 disposals, 3 marks, 19 hit outs, 1 tackle.

Those numbers show he put in a pretty good effort and as you say, is steadily improving in a number of areas.

Just for comparison (from footywire.com):

Dean Cox's first 17 games averaged - 8 disposals, 2 marks and 11 hit outs.
David Hille's first 25 games averaged - 8 disposals, 4 marks and 8 hit outs.

So comparatively, his numbers look ok.

 

[smoovy]

Love his work down the outer wing sharing in a one-two play then a long kick to Walker. Unfortunately Walker spilled the mark, but his pass was a good 60m effort.

 

[fryingpan]

Much better effort today! Still would like to see him get a bit more physical, backed out of a few contests but all in all a pretty decent game from Brad.

 

[crowman86]

Someone should save his hair, that way he won't be worried about messing up his hair when going into contests. No hair == No fear.

Good to see Moran improving again, however he still seems to lack the ability to think about where to be at times to plug holes etc. A few times tonight he got caught in no mans land standing 20m off a pack, to far away to have an impact on the contest and if the Kangas got the clearance he was to close and the ball would end up going over his head. This will hopefullly improve with the more game time he recieves.

 

[Wilburwild]

Much better effort today! Still would like to see him get a bit more physical, backed out of a few contests but all in all a pretty decent game from Brad.

I thought Moran played quite well today. Much better than previous weeks, and while he did back out a couple of times, i also noticed Andrew McLeod do the same thing two or three times today, so lets not just be critical of Moran for that, if the criticism can be made about one, it can be made about others too, no matter who they are!

 

[Riggy1]

I thought Moran played quite well today. Much better than previous weeks, and while he did back out a couple of times, i also noticed Andrew McLeod do the same thing two or three times today, so lets not just be critical of Moran for that, if the criticism can be made about one, it can be made about others too, no matter who they are!

that is what annoys me the most. Moran gets critised for a bad game in like his 15th game. While Maric gets off when he does less in about his 60th game. And no, not this week but a few weeks ago.

 

[cmndstab]

Today from Moran I saw him:


Attack a pack as an extra man up
Bump a player
Back into a pack
Chase and lay a tackle
Back himself to play on and run off an opponent
Punch the ball forward out of the ruck
Show some aggression after the contest



THAT is what I want to see from Moran! He's steadily improved each week since I called for him to be dropped forever a month ago. He still had some problems but this was quite a good game from Moran this week, and not terrible from Maric either.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Good to see Moran improving again, however he still seems to lack the ability to think about where to be at times to plug holes etc. A few times tonight he got caught in no mans land standing 20m off a pack, to far away to have an impact on the contest and if the Kangas got the clearance he was to close and the ball would end up going over his head. This will hopefullly improve with the more game time he recieves.

I'll have a fair bit of positive for Moran in tomorrow's Ruckwatch but I think you are absolutely spot on with this constructive criticism.

Hopefully it's simply experience and game knowledge because if he truly wants to get the ball and learns his positioning a little better he will become a very, very good player for us. But for now he does get caught in no mans land a bit, though i have to say it's improving all the time.

In terms of backing out of contests that some have mentioned, there was one obvious one in the last where it looked like he should've gone back for the mark and opted out. Apart from that, i think he needs to get more selfish and actually demand the ball (was 40m clear on the wing and totally ignored) as well as believe that every aerial ball in his area can be his (should've flown from behind to mark once but let Symes have a go cos in fron position but Symes lost the contest). Each week the belief must be growing. It's time to go for more marks and be a target.

Pity the ump ripped him off from the really good 2-grab mark early in the 3rd

 

[sea gull]

Don't rate him, has only been playing the game a few years. He is still learning the game and he is playing AFL! Also before he came to crows i had heard alot about his athletic abilities, speed for a tall bloke etc, i am yet to see what all the talk is about. I hate to send too negative, but surely Jonathan Griffin is the better option.