Brad Ottens

[Hulk_Hawkins]

Heard this morning on the K-Rock that Brad Ottens is unhappy at Richmond and Geelong are interested in securing him for next year (Is he out of contract this year?) Do you think Brad is our "saviour" as the tall marking forward we desperately require or will just be trying to resurect the career of another fading "couldavebeen" champion player ala Mitchell White. I know Brad had a great year in 2001, he was All Australian and Represented Australia in the international rules but has really been out of sorts for a couple of years. Your thoughts on this will make interesting reading

 

[answerman]

If this is true then I wouldn't mind. I think some of us have discussed this before on this messageboard. A lot would depend on what we would have to give up for him. I actually think it is more likely that he will return to Adelaide, but, you never know....

I have a number of 'untouchables':
Ablett, Bartel, Chapman, Gardiner, Harley, Hunt, Steve Johnson, James Kelly, King, Ling, Mackie, Moloney, Mooney, Scarlett and Tenace. The rest you'd consider if a really good deal was put on the table, but if (and only if) it would not jeopardize club unity. This is paramount. It is a team sport and we can't afford to put individuals above the team. Look at the sacrifices the Lions make for the sake of team success. If Ottens were willing to come to Geelong for around $250k/year (at most) and it cost us 2 players and our second pick (for Ottens and a late pick) then maybe the club will consider it. I don't know that I would, though, as I'd much rather develop our champions from within. But I have to say that a forward/rucking combination of King and Ottens would be frightening stuff for opposition coaches. We would be a top four team for a long, long time with those two in the same team.

And I do mean that

 

[Turbocat]

He would not come to Geelong for 250 , and if he was going to be the player i hope him to be he would be worth more and should be paid more. Previous statements buy the club( Cook) , which infer its much better have a fairly eben top level , would probably have our top 10 getting in the range of 300 - 400 ,we dont run at the full cap presently remembering payment like BG get the Vetrans treatment. If Ottens was up and going, 2001 form, He would be in our top 10 He would probably be a franchice player worth 500-600 on the open market, big guys at his age dont swap clubs often. If he would take the same deal offered to Rawlings 350-375 range then it would be reasonable. However I dont think he will come to Geelong, Adelaide will offer him more off field which we couldn't match
Stick with the younguns . look on field, its them thats doin it for us.

 

[Mr X]

busted ass.

Comes on minimum wage we will take him.

Backup in the ruck to King, Chambers, Loats, Mooney, and if really pressed Byrnes.

Backup in the forward line to the whole team, including Daniel Foster and James Rahilly,

Don't need him, just like we didn't need Ray Hall this year.

Why bother trading for a player that is not required/will not be in our best 22?

 

[BulldogMike]

Geelong should try and lure a big star for once. Throw $$$ at Ottens.

 

[nananana catman]

If Ottens were to come good away from Richmond, which is highly possible and were at Geelong wed be a very very very hard team to beat.

Whats he worth? id offer 1st round pick and spriggs.

Pay? 350-400 would be about right, then if he does have a few good consistent years then you may look at giving him more come next contract agreement...anyone know how old he is?

 

[Inside 50]

Brad Ottens is 24 years old. Even if he didn't fill the role of a key forward it would be great to have him as a ruckman.


Brad Ottens Profile

 

[Hulk_Hawkins]

He is 24 so has plenty of hopefully good years left in him he has been in fairly good form in the ruck this year but has not scored many goals - limited opportunities upforward I would assume. Still unsure if he is a contracted player at Richmond. His profile can be viewed at http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=players&spg=playerprofile&personid=13462

 

[Hulk_Hawkins]

Originally posted by Inside 50
Brad Ottens is 24 years old. Even if he didn't fill the role of a key forward it would be great to have him as a ruckman.


Brad Ottens Profile

Great minds definately think alike, hey Inside 50 we must have been doing exactly the same thing at exactly the same time!!

 

[nananana catman]

Originally posted by jacmitgee
Heard this morning on the K-Rock that Brad Ottens is unhappy at Richmond and Geelong are interested in securing him for next year (Is he out of contract this year?) Do you think Brad is our "saviour" as the tall marking forward we desperately require or will just be trying to resurect the career of another fading "couldavebeen" champion player ala Mitchell White. I know Brad had a great year in 2001, he was All Australian and Represented Australia in the international rules but has really been out of sorts for a couple of years. Your thoughts on this will make interesting reading

What was exactly said on K-ROCK anyway, i like rap so listen to K-RAP

 

[Tweak Talent]

The club must make a critical decision come the end of the year.

We need a tall marking forward and the decision the club will have to make is whether to trade for an established forward or to secure early draft picks and pick a few of the many number of promising young talls this year.

Each senario has it's ups and downs. I myself am unsure which option to take but one of them must be done.

 

[nananana catman]

come on tweakey, get off the fence.

 

[Inside 50]

Originally posted by jacmitgee
Great minds definately think alike, hey Inside 50 we must have been doing exactly the same thing at exactly the same time!!

They certainly do

 

[GeeCat]

Cook has already stated the club won't go after a high profiled forward target at seasons end.

The way I see it, unless the forward we're paying big bucks to is absolutely worth his pay, I'd keep the cash for re-signing our young guns when they come out of contract. We have our own developing talls and come 2006, hopefully a few will at least have blossomed into the key forwards we seek.

 

[Tweak Talent]

It's hard to say as a lot would depend on the deals that would be done to secure the draft picks or players

IF ottens could be secured without giving up our 1st round pick or someone essential to our future i would be happy to deal for ottens

 

[nananana catman]

Originally posted by GeeCat
Cook has already stated the club won't go after a high profiled forward target at seasons end.

The way I see it, unless the forward we're paying big bucks to is absolutely worth his pay, I'd keep the cash for re-signing our young guns when they come out of contract. We have our own developing talls and come 2006, hopefully a few will at least have blossomed into the key forwards we seek.

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Who do you think looks likely? id have to say lonergan looks good from what ive seen from him as a FF

 

[nananana catman]

Originally posted by Tweak Talent
It's hard to say as a lot would depend on the deals that would be done to secure the draft picks or players

IF ottens could be secured without giving up our 1st round pick or someone essential to our future i would be happy to deal for ottens

U talking spriggs types or second round picks?

 

[Tweak Talent]

I'm talking about 2nd/3rd round drafts picks and players such as spriggs, enright, rooke, woja, H

 

[nananana catman]

Originally posted by Tweak Talent
I'm talking about 2nd/3rd round drafts picks and players such as spriggs, enright, rooke, woja, H

Harsh saying Woja , H , Enright arent essential to our future

 

[GeeCat]

Originally posted by nananana catman
Who do you think looks likely? id have to say lonergan looks good from what ive seen from him as a FF

Over the past few drafts Wells and co have obviously identified our lack of quality big men over the years and turned attention to drafting at least one big kid a year. We now have kids like Lonergan, Playfair, McCarthy, Spencer who are all capable of holding down key posts and other guys like Charlie, SJ, and Mackie who can play as our mid-talls along the half forward flank.

From what I've seen and heard Lonergan looks a likely type and can still improve. Is already a nice kick at goal and IMO still has time on his side to develop his body and marking skills.

I still hold some hope that Big Mac can make the grade. To be fair Matt is one of the better marks we've had down at the club for a long time now. Obviously needs to work on his kicking for goal and in general play but nothings impossible (I hope).

Playfair has shown us glimpses of his talent (Re: Round 3 vs Sydney) and has also shown he has the ability to hold down a key post back in defence as well. His mobility is unquestionable, he has a decent kick on him, and can take grab on the lead or in a pack.

Charlie, Johnno and Mackie have all shown us they can be very good mid-sized talls in their games thus far. They can only improve.

I believe we can pick up another good young tall in this years draft (of which I hear there are aplenty) and we have young Tom Hawkins, who apparently from those in the know looks like he will be an excellent addition in the future, available in 2006 if I'm not wrong?

It's not like we're lacking in the forward line as many people make it out to be. The current beauty of our forward line is the fact that we have so many options available rather than being reliant on a chosen couple to take the big grabs and kick the bag of goals. The fact is a big paid star like Ottens isn't going to make a hell of alot of difference. I'm not against the idea of Ottens coming down, but I still believe we can still form a potent forward line with our current crop.

 

[nananana catman]

Fair enough, we have invested a lot of picks, a few good ones at that at getting some good young players into our forward line. Its time for some of them, like they been in the past few games to step up and start being counted on a regular basis. Lonergan needs another pre season before hes ready, but id like to see him play a few senior games next season.

Ive heard nothing but good reports on Tom Hawkins, sounds like a very likely type, but then again it could just be ando looking to write an easy story about the cats again couldnt it

 

[GeeCat]

Originally posted by nananana catman
Fair enough, we have invested a lot of picks, a few good ones at that at getting some good young players into our forward line. Its time for some of them, like they been in the past few games to step up and start being counted on a regular basis. Lonergan needs another pre season before hes ready, but id like to see him play a few senior games next season.

Ive heard nothing but good reports on Tom Hawkins, sounds like a very likely type, but then again it could just be ando looking to write an easy story about the cats again couldnt it

I think the club has said that Lonergan will definently get a game a the end of the season.

Not just Ando writing reports. People I have talked to (mind you not fellow Geelong supporters) who have seen Hawkins play for MGS have nothing but praise for the young man.

 

[Richmondfan#1]

Sorry to interrupt on the Catters board guys, I was just wondering what you would be prepared to give up in pursuit of Ottens? I haven't read every post in this thread so apologies if it's been mentioned .

Personally I'd be very disappointed to lose Otto, despite he's recent up and downs he is still very serviceable. There is no point in keeping an unhappy player at the club though, better off getting someone willing to play for us. Would he not be happier at a south australian club though?

 

[Seb]

Originally posted by Richmondfan#1
Sorry to interrupt on the Catters board guys, I was just wondering what you would be prepared to give up in pursuit of Ottens? I haven't read every post in this thread so apologies if it's been mentioned .

Personally I'd be very disappointed to lose Otto, despite he's recent up and downs he is still very serviceable. There is no point in keeping an unhappy player at the club though, better off getting someone willing to play for us. Would he not be happier at a south australian club though?

Intrusion is promoted

In all seriousness, Geelong supporters tend to be quite tight and suggest numerous insufficient trades for certain players. Brad Ottens is a tricky one, however. It is hard to guage his value, as we haven't seen Brad's best for quite some time now, because he has been riddled with injury and gone through a massive form slump (As you no doubt have witnessed).

The general consensus seems to be that Brad is worth a first-round draft pick and a fringe player. People have been nominating David Spriggs as a possibility to throw in with the draft pick. Something tells me that's not enough to secure Ottens, but i'm not sure if he's worth much more anyway. And whether he would perform at the level we would need him to on a consistent basis is another question which needs to be addressed.

Richmond haven't been in super form, residing down in the bottom half of the ladder over the last couple of years, and let's face it, Brad hasn't exactly set the world on fire in a 'mediocre' team.

Perhaps he does need a change of scenary...Or simply some quality around him.

Who knows.

 

[Hulk_Hawkins]

Re: Re: Brad Ottens

Originally posted by nananana catman
What was exactly said on K-ROCK anyway, i like rap so listen to K-RAP

Exactly what I said "Not happy at Richmond" I have spoke to a few people involved with Richmond who have said he wants to play more as a permanent forward but obviously with Richo and company down there his oportunities up forward are limited. I reckon he would fit in with our side very nicely indeed. Throw everything at him I say big $$$ and a player/draft pick what ever it takes to get him although, believe it or not I have also heard he is interested in going to Sydney!! But with Hall, O'laughlin, Goodes etc. couldn't see Sydney being interested in another tall forward