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Having never started a new thread on BigFooty, I thought I'd give it a try. :D

What does everyone on this board think of our big recruit?

Originally I was a little sceptical, but after going through his stats, I reckon he is very underrated by many on BigFooty. His accuracy for goal is nearly impeccable and would rank amongst the best in the league. His ruckwork is also outstanding and ranks highly as well. So the question lies, is he the answer to our forward problems or is he just a piece in the puzzle?

I put this on the Geelong board to try and avoid the trolls on the AFL board, so please try to answer in a constructive and honest way. :)
 
Code: 
 [B]2004 Richmond 18 102 129 231 99 16 8 38 424 24 31 [/B] 
 [U]2003 Richmond 12 90 93 183 71 10 5 34 240 17 18 
 2002 Richmond 20 160 114 274 102 27 16 41 377 38 33 [/U] 
 [B]2001 Richmond 24 230 124 354 166 46 21 44 321 30 35 [/B] 
 2000 Richmond 21 174 113 287 117 30 12 20 317 23
2001 was when he was AA, now looking at that he was used as a forward :confused: But as Richmonds rucks dropped off he moved into the ruck. shown here:
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[B]2004 Richmond 18 5.7 7.2 12.8 5.5 0.9 0.4 2.1 23.6 1.3 1.7 [/B] 
 2003 Richmond 12 7.5 7.8 15.2 5.9 0.8 0.4 2.8 20.0 1.4 1.5 
 2002 Richmond 20 8.0 5.7 13.7 5.1 1.4 0.8 2.0 18.8 1.9 1.6 
[B] 2001 Richmond 24 9.6 5.2 14.8 6.9 1.9 0.9 1.8 13.4 1.2 1.5 [/B]

Looking at that id say 2001 will be the type of roll he plays for us. Mostly up forward and a little bit of ruck.
 
if there was a poll mid last year on big footy who everyone would prefer ottens or graham majority would say ottens, with reason in my opinion as i believe he is much more valuable than graham. With graham firing last year we could beat any side as all we needed was a strong marking target and leave kingsley to be the lead out of the goalsquare full forward, the problem was grahams inconsistency and his ability to go missing at times which cost us dearly at times. IMO with ottens in a top side like richmond in 2001 he will be at least graham at his best on a more consistant basis and will reach his potential he has carried since being number 2 draft pick.
 

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ablett factor said:
if there was a poll mid last year on big footy who everyone would prefer ottens or graham majority would say ottens, with reason in my opinion as i believe he is much more valuable than graham. With graham firing last year we could beat any side as all we needed was a strong marking target and leave kingsley to be the lead out of the goalsquare full forward, the problem was grahams inconsistency and his ability to go missing at times which cost us dearly at times. IMO with ottens in a top side like richmond in 2001 he will be at least graham at his best on a more consistant basis and will reach his potential he has carried since being number 2 draft pick.
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very true
 
iameviljez said:
One point to remember is that Ottens is a natural foward. Graham never was.
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good point. he is the answer plus he is one of the most accurate kicks in the afl. will be way better than graham who was a natural defender and was soft. we will have a great forward line with Ottens, Kingsley, S.Johnson, Mackie, Playfair, Chapman, Gazza, Haynes, Ricco, plenty of options, we will be hard to match up on. Plus our already great defence and our great young midfield, its exiting stuff.
 
Make no mistake Ottens can play. For some reason, probably the moving into the ruck from a forward role reason, his form really droppped off. Hence the derission he got from Richmond people, we knew he could play. His back is a problem so hopefully the Geelong staff can get him over this, but it is a worry for someone his age, and playing in the position he does.

Believe me when I say all Richmond supporters would have loved him to stay another year just to see how he would have gone under Wallace. With him still in the side, we wouldn't have picked up Knobel, and could have used that pick to get another KPP for the back half. I really hope he plays well.
 
turtle27 said:
Make no mistake Ottens can play. For some reason, probably the moving into the ruck from a forward role reason, his form really droppped off. Hence the derission he got from Richmond people, we knew he could play. His back is a problem so hopefully the Geelong staff can get him over this, but it is a worry for someone his age, and playing in the position he does.

Believe me when I say all Richmond supporters would have loved him to stay another year just to see how he would have gone under Wallace. With him still in the side, we wouldn't have picked up Knobel, and could have used that pick to get another KPP for the back half. I really hope he plays well.
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thanks, hope fans like you have a good year watching richmond too.
 
turtle27 said:
Make no mistake Ottens can play. For some reason, probably the moving into the ruck from a forward role reason, his form really droppped off. Hence the derission he got from Richmond people, we knew he could play. His back is a problem so hopefully the Geelong staff can get him over this, but it is a worry for someone his age, and playing in the position he does.

Believe me when I say all Richmond supporters would have loved him to stay another year just to see how he would have gone under Wallace. With him still in the side, we wouldn't have picked up Knobel, and could have used that pick to get another KPP for the back half. I really hope he plays well.
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I'd say he did pretty well in the ruck as well. He is always in the top half dozen for average hitouts per game. I think the main reason for his drop off is a lack of ruck support after Gale retired until Stafford got there and the retirement and ageing of other key players. Richmond had a lot of experienced stars when they made the finals in 2001, the likes of Gale, Knights and a fully fit Campbell were the reasons for their success, and the loss of these key players would hurt any side. When you have to get the ball to youngsters who don't know the game and receiving delivery from the same players, after being used to having top quality players, of course your form will drop. After perusing Ottens' stats, I have come to realise that he is exactly what we wanted and that we were lucky all we lost was a late first rounder and a midfielder we can replace.
 
turtle27 said:
Make no mistake Ottens can play. For some reason, probably the moving into the ruck from a forward role reason, his form really droppped off. Hence the derission he got from Richmond people, we knew he could play. His back is a problem so hopefully the Geelong staff can get him over this, but it is a worry for someone his age, and playing in the position he does.

Believe me when I say all Richmond supporters would have loved him to stay another year just to see how he would have gone under Wallace. With him still in the side, we wouldn't have picked up Knobel, and could have used that pick to get another KPP for the back half. I really hope he plays well.
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Yet as a club he was very expendable. Ottens, albet a good player has not been 'very good' for a few years, yet I would have loved him instead of Knoble.

Fact is, realsiticly both Geelong and Richmond have done ver well from this deal. Geelong, a club which need a decent forward KP now, which are in the running for a top 4 and a tilt at the flag got exacly what they needed.

Richmond could have done well with Ottens in '05, would have been good to see him under Plough. However we benifit much more with our rebuilding scheme to offload the lad in terms for some decent kids in Meyer and Pattison (picks 12 + 16).

Best of luck to Geelong.
 
Bentleigh said:
Yet as a club he was very expendable. Ottens, albet a good player has not been 'very good' for a few years, yet I would have loved him instead of Knoble.

Fact is, realsiticly both Geelong and Richmond have done ver well from this deal. Geelong, a club which need a decent forward KP now, which are in the running for a top 4 and a tilt at the flag got exacly what they needed.

Richmond could have done well with Ottens in '05, would have been good to see him under Plough. However we benifit much more with our rebuilding scheme to offload the lad in terms for some decent kids in Meyer and Pattison (picks 12 + 16).

Best of luck to Geelong.
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I think if Ottens were 2 or 3 years younger, they wouldn't have let him go, but with him being 25, he is slightly too old to fit in with Richmond's rebuilding plan.

As for the comment that Geelong are overrated, if anything, I believe that Geelong are underrated. If you look at the players individually and actually rate them truthfully, you will find a very good list that fits together nicely and is strong in every area. When you factor in how the team played last year, the injuries which were suffered and the general hardness and team spirit of the club, you will find a very good team.
 

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Bentleigh said:
Richmond could have done well with Ottens in '05, would have been good to see him under Plough. However we benifit much more with our rebuilding scheme to offload the lad in terms for some decent kids in Meyer and Pattison (picks 12 + 16).
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Its choices like these that can often make and break teams chances. We did it when we swapped away Mansfield, Murphy and Bizzell. In return we got Ling, Gardiner/Johnson and Kelly. Hope for your guys sake it works for you.
 
rizzo said:
Code: 
 [B]2004 Richmond 18 102 129 231 99 16 8 38 424 24 31 [/B] 
 [U]2003 Richmond 12 90 93 183 71 10 5 34 240 17 18 
 2002 Richmond 20 160 114 274 102 27 16 41 377 38 33 [/U] 
 [B]2001 Richmond 24 230 124 354 166 46 21 44 321 30 35 [/B] 
 2000 Richmond 21 174 113 287 117 30 12 20 317 23
2001 was when he was AA, now looking at that he was used as a forward :confused: But as Richmonds rucks dropped off he moved into the ruck. shown here:
Code: 
[B]2004 Richmond 18 5.7 7.2 12.8 5.5 0.9 0.4 2.1 23.6 1.3 1.7 [/B] 
 2003 Richmond 12 7.5 7.8 15.2 5.9 0.8 0.4 2.8 20.0 1.4 1.5 
 2002 Richmond 20 8.0 5.7 13.7 5.1 1.4 0.8 2.0 18.8 1.9 1.6 
[B] 2001 Richmond 24 9.6 5.2 14.8 6.9 1.9 0.9 1.8 13.4 1.2 1.5 [/B]

Looking at that id say 2001 will be the type of roll he plays for us. Mostly up forward and a little bit of ruck.
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exactly what i was about to point out
 
Bentleigh said:
Yet as a club he was very expendable. Ottens, albet a good player has not been 'very good' for a few years, yet I would have loved him instead of Knoble.

Fact is, realsiticly both Geelong and Richmond have done ver well from this deal. Geelong, a club which need a decent forward KP now, which are in the running for a top 4 and a tilt at the flag got exacly what they needed.

Richmond could have done well with Ottens in '05, would have been good to see him under Plough. However we benifit much more with our rebuilding scheme to offload the lad in terms for some decent kids in Meyer and Pattison (picks 12 + 16).

Best of luck to Geelong.
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thanks

people also forget ruckmen like goalies can play into their 30s
 
if Ottens can finish in the Top 5 (or thereabouts as I remember), in the league for contested marks, and convert better than 50% for goal, then we've gotten our ideal man.

on another note, did anyone watch Geelong v Richmond recently on FFC, and see Ottens do a chip kick straight to S. Johnson who banged it straight through the Tigers goals. That was definitely worth a smile.
 
Cat fans,

You are welcome to the two faced lying prick. His back is still stuffed and you wont get much out of him. In his case it was money talked and BS walked. We cant wait til round 1 at the home of football.
 

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mrs_richo said:
Cat fans,

You are welcome to the two faced lying prick. His back is still stuffed and you wont get much out of him. In his case it was money talked and BS walked. We cant wait til round 1 at the home of football.
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And i was just thinking that richmond supporters had gotten over this. Stop worring about Ottens and us and start concentrating on ur ******** hole of a club.
 
JUBJUB said:
It's actually getting bloody funny.The Tigger bandwagoners say he's useless,he's got a bad back and he'll be a failure,yet they bitch and moan that he left. :confused:
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They have a bandwagon :eek:
 
mrs_richo said:
His back is still stuffed and you wont get much out of him.
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His back is fine. It is being managed well.

In his case it was money talked and BS walked.
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He's getting 300k a season. Not much more than what Richmond offered.

We cant wait til round 1 at the home of football.
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Neither can we. Otto boots 6 and we pound you by 10+ goals and show everyone that the Tigers are still our bitch.
 
JUBJUB said:
It's actually getting bloody funny.The Tigger bandwagoners say he's useless,he's got a bad back and he'll be a failure,yet they bitch and moan that he left. :confused:
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werent we all like this too when clarke, spriggs, spinks, etc left.
 

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