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Consistently turns it over, not damaging, and slow. Just watching that 1st quarter from the semi last year after the heart-break thread and he had about 8 touches in the first quarter and about 2 of them hit a target. He runs around unaccountable, his 'supposed' hardness is very overestimated on this board. He has now become one of Neil Craig's favourites getting a spot on the wing each week because he runs hard and gives Craig good feedback i assume because his performances are very poor. He wasn't our worst against Richmond, or Port but he is becoming a list clogger with his very limited skill set.

He is also part of our very uninspiring leadership group and shows no examples of on field leadership. When the teams performing he gets in amongst it but still makes his customary mistakes that we have no become accustomed too but when there is pressure his decision making is the worst in our team (with Stevens) and his footskills are poor. Douglas got dozens of threads for poor games, i think it's pretty reasonable discuss Symes and whether he's a part of the future.

Can't believe we got rid of Mattner for him because he was played out of position and couldn't perform. Mattner was quickish, very damaging left foot kick, and could tackle like a man possessed. Yes Symes can play a few roles but his effectiveness is very limited in all of them.
 
Been a fan of and supporter of Symes but haven't been impressed with his work recently. When the rest of the team mix is right his style of player adds great value (hard running, diving on everything etc).

Having said that, I've not been a fan of the work of many the last 2 games :P

Don't think its worth delisting at this point, provides depth and some leadership.
 
Cannot have too many slowish and average/poorly skilled players with no other outstanding attributes.

Symes, vB, Doughty, Douglas, Reilly, Stevens...too many in one team if you are aiming to be a serious challenger.

Turnovers are poison and Symes is but one of many atm who are serial offenders.
 
I want him delisted for his effort in the showdown, particular one effort just outside 50 in the second half, I'm sure others know what I'm talking about. Most disgusting effort ever in the AFL.:mad:
 

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Still spewing we got rid of Mattner. Wasn't used correctly.

Symes is fine for what we need at the moment, but he should not be in our best 22 two years from now... unless he can add something special to his skills. Plus, my pet hate, he's got a leg like a 9-iron.
 
deaneus said:
Still spewing we got rid of Mattner. Wasn't used correctly.

Symes is fine for what we need at the moment, but he should not be in our best 22 two years from now... unless he can add something special to his skills. Plus, my pet hate, he's got a leg like a 9-iron.
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wasnt used correctly :confused:

Roos has played Marty across HB in the same role Craigy was playing Marty
 
The Sloane Ranger said:
wasnt used correctly :confused:

Roos has played Marty across HB in the same role Craigy was playing Marty
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We played Mattner deep defense not on HB. He used to play on small forwards.

This is by no means a 'lets delist symes thread' i think hes handy as a depth player, but he seems to have a golden ticket when fit and that is very questionable. We seem to do this with players, Craig will fall in love with their attitude even if they are average players, and give them games till there 30. Symes is heading down that path but i hope we pick him only as a backup.

I see Otten taking his spot performing the same role. Not only is Otten an extremely clever footballer, but he has a deadly kick and finds space very well. Symes often runs to bad spots, kicks short loopy kicks and has no hurt factor.

This is our team this week
B: Johncock, Rutten, Stevens
HB: Doughty, Bock, van Berlo
C: Symes, Vince, Mackay
HF: Henderson, Walker, Knights
F: Sloane, Tippett, Douglas
R: Griffin, Thompson, Reilly
I/C (from): Maric, Porplyzia, Martin, Schmidt
Emerg: Sellar, Davis, Jaensch

I see Stevens going out eventually for Davis, Doughty for Jaensch, Symes for Otten, Schmidt for Dangerfield (shuffling), and Griffin for Mckernan/Sellar.

We can't carry the 3 S's and their turnovers, its unproductive and stalls development. I think Jaensch has been quiet but still doesn't miss a kick/handball, a run on Symes wing, or in Schmidt's bench spot would help for the future.
 
Allbetsroff said:
I want him delisted for his effort in the showdown, particular one effort just outside 50 in the second half, I'm sure others know what I'm talking about. Most disgusting effort ever in the AFL.:mad:
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I saw a lot of soft efforts in that game but that in particular from our supposed 'hard man' was a shocker.
 
thebirdman 24 said:
consistently turns it over, not damaging, and slow. Just watching that 1st quarter from the semi last year after the heart-break thread and he had about 8 touches in the first quarter and about 2 of them hit a target. He runs around unaccountable, his 'supposed' hardness is very overestimated on this board. He has now become one of neil craig's favourites getting a spot on the wing each week because he runs hard and gives craig good feedback i assume because his performances are very poor. He wasn't our worst against richmond, or port but he is becoming a list clogger with his very limited skill set.

He is also part of our very uninspiring leadership group and shows no examples of on field leadership. When the teams performing he gets in amongst it but still makes his customary mistakes that we have no become accustomed too but when there is pressure his decision making is the worst in our team (with stevens) and his footskills are poor. Douglas got dozens of threads for poor games, i think it's pretty reasonable discuss symes and whether he's a part of the future.

Can't believe we got rid of mattner for him because he was played out of position and couldn't perform. Mattner was quickish, very damaging left foot kick, and could tackle like a man possessed. Yes symes can play a few roles but his effectiveness is very limited in all of them.
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worst trade ever
 
SugarShane said:
He's one of the biggest kicks in the comp though. I saw him kick 70m once. 30m up, 30m down and 10m across.
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Absolutely agree, don't really have a problem with Brad in any other facet of the game bar his kicking, he is a shocker, always gives the ball far too much elevation, I call them airballs or skyrockets.....it just makes it too easy for opposition players to spoil or punch away, not too mention our players waiting under the ball drop getting smashed!!!
 

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jackster83 said:
Had a couple of awful games against Port and Geelong but was alright last week.

Name someone who should be in the side ahead of him. :confused:
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Exactly, that is why I always ignore the shit directed towards Symes. He is a solid player who is most definetley in the best 22.
 
BACCS said:
Exactly, that is why I always ignore the shit directed towards Symes. He is a solid player who is most definetley in the best 22.
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But is our best 22 a premiership team or even contender?

No we are not and this is why players like Symes, Doughty, Stevens and Griffen should not be on the list in 2011.

They maybe in our best 22 but that's just accepting mediocrity.
 

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At the moment there aren't many players fighting for Symes position, but until we can get our list strong enough where guys like Symes, Stevens, Reilly, Doughty are forced out by superior youngsters and instead become adequate depth players rather than best 22 we'll be a serious contender.
 
alex_is_on_fire said:
But is our best 22 a premiership team or even contender?

No we are not and this is why players like Symes, Doughty, Stevens and Griffen should not be on the list in 2011.

They maybe in our best 22 but that's just accepting mediocrity.
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Agree with you re Griffin but our supporters should lay off Doughty, Symes and Stevens. they have their limitations but you get a consistent effort and they play near their capacity most weeks. all teams need players like this. Symes had the same (or worse) injury interrupted pre season as some and has gone ok since being back. I think Mattner was a better option but Symes is ok

Fans anger would be better directed towards our under performing potential A graders like Bock, Porps and Vince. I reckon they've played about 3 good games out of 50 between them for the year collectively. Just not good enough.

They are our problem in 2010, not Symes, Doughty or Stevens

BTW could be worse, we could have Marlon Motlop!
 
He has only played 63 games. For a 25 year old that's not many games. Has averaged 22 disposals for the last 5 weeks, last week had 30 disposals. Does make a few clangers, but better than not getting the ball. He is as hard at it as anyone in our side bar maybe Dangerfield, but gets more ball than Dangerfield. But the way I see it is that if we are going to threaten for a flag in the next 2-4 years like we all think we should, we are going to need a heap more 100 game+ players on our list. Symes has got the basic ability, but needs a breakout season without injury. It was only a little over a year ago when most of this board was seriously calling for Chris Kinghts' head, saying he too was an unskilled ball magnet. He then had a purple patch and now is revered by all and sundry. Exactly the same for Richard Douglas, and I was one of those who couldn't stand any longer watching his clangers week after week. And now look at him. The suggestion of removing him would cause an uprising.

I firmly believe that we havent seen the best of Symes yet, and he will become a very important player for us in the next few years. His purple patch will come.
 
Does make a few clangers, but better than not getting the ball.
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Is it? It's probably worse when your shabby disposal gifts the opposition the ball back.

For some reason he always seems to find himself on the end of a handball chain, when in reality it'd be best if he was starting it. He has some qualities - hard at it and all that, but the guy should be banned from kicking. His kicking technique is awful, and if it's not a direct turnover, it's a high hospital floater that nearly kills his own teammate.
 
Now you are beginning to understand why we got rid of him in the first place. He's a list filler, nothing more. The fact that some of you believe that he is your best 22 speaks volumes for where your list is actually at. People who are saying that 'we haven't seen the best of him' are deluded. Because players who have something to offer usually give people glimpses of how good they COULD be. What has Symes ever done?

The question you have to ask yourselves is this: would Symes have a place in a premiership side? No? Then get rid of him. It would be the least he and his feral mother deserves, IMO.
 

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