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Player Watch Brayden Sier (Delisted 2021)

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Horaceg said:
The thing with Sier is he will either make it or he won't, it's not a waste of a pick if you knew it was a gamble up front. He is a project player and should be considered a high risk vs return scenario. Let the kid develop and see before judging, he will take time but at the end of this year we should be in a better position to make a call.

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Fantastic to see his body has trimmed down!

Unfortunately though without other factors I'm sceptical about it having much of an impact on his ability to find the ball with any regularity. Take a look at Nathan Freeman he's been built like Adonis for 5 years, but it means bugger all considering he doesn't "get it" and relies far too much on others giving him the ball.

The hope for me is that the body transformation has been achieved by churning out the K's behind the scenes, that he's chased Swanny or Johnno down to chat about their running programs back in the day and he's been ultra chummy with Sando (ball movement). If he can find that tank and running patterns he'll be ok!
 
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Scodog10 said:
Fantastic to see his body has trimmed down!

Unfortunately though without other factors I'm sceptical about it having much of an impact on his ability to find the ball with any regularity. Take a look at Nathan Freeman he's been built like Adonis for 5 years, but it means bugger all considering he doesn't "get it" and relies far too much on others giving him the ball.

The hope for me is that the body transformation has been achieved by churning out the K's behind the scenes, that he's chased Swanny or Johnno down to chat about their running programs back in the day and he's been ultra chummy with Sando (ball movement). If he can find that tank and running patterns he'll be ok!
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Umm freeman cant even get on the park let alone get it!!! Lol
 

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Further to that, Nathan Freeman is an inside / outside player and can get his own ball (when he's on the park!).

Brayden Sier is literally the most unfairly maligned first year player that's ever been selected by us. Had some decent showings at VFL level last year (after basically playing high school footy before that), but had multiple injuries at almost exactly the wrong time, every time, resulting in a lack of continuity.

What is and was evident to those who aren't quite so reactionary to call 'bust', was that Sier is an inside ball magnet, with elite hands, tall, pretty quick and has a vice-like tackle. He wins plenty of it too.

He's raw and needs to lift the tank, but I don't think he's the giant 'project' that some tout either. He looks fitter at least now and needs to work on his outside game to compliment his elite hands inside, but has some very encouraging attributes and I'm personally no phased by his injury interrupted first year.
 
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Umm freeman cant even get on the park let alone get it!!! Lol
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Despite that there was a circle jerk the likes of which will never be seen again on this board over him during the 2015 pre-season. The moral is a guy in a professional sporting environment for 12 months should have a good rig as a minimum so it means little.

FWIW St Kilda will get him right the problem is they'll soon realise they paid a hefty price for a state league quality footbalker!
 
FIGJAM agree with the much of your info on Sier (inside ball magnet astretch, IMO), however your assessment of Freeman is wide of the mark.

He's as comfortable winning his own ball as Danyle Pearce or Cale Morton. Completely outside and so many got his scouting wrong in the lead up to the 14 draft. The Dangerfield comparisons were/ are borderline disrespectful.
 
FIGJAM said:
Further to that, Nathan Freeman is an inside / outside player and can get his own ball (when he's on the park!).

Brayden Sier is literally the most unfairly maligned first year player that's ever been selected by us. Had some decent showings at VFL level last year (after basically playing high school footy before that), but had multiple injuries at almost exactly the wrong time, every time, resulting in a lack of continuity.

What is and was evident to those who aren't quite so reactionary to call 'bust', was that Sier is an inside ball magnet, with elite hands, tall, pretty quick and has a vice-like tackle. He wins plenty of it too.

He's raw and needs to lift the tank, but I don't think he's the giant 'project' that some tout either. He looks fitter at least now and needs to work on his outside game to compliment his elite hands inside, but has some very encouraging attributes and I'm personally no phased by his injury interrupted first year.
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Sier had some decent VFL showings? What were his stats? Not that it matter but Kyle Martin consistently got 35 possessions a game and kicked goals.
 
lyfsux said:
I have plenty of patience thats why I read bigfooty everyday:huh:
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The patience of Jobe, and we were giving you a medal too.
Alas.
Not, it's going to the runners up

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I'm not fussed on the Sier punt.
See what happens.
Put it this way, he is already more promising than Gault.
(Sorry Corey, I know you tried)
 

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Scodog10 said:
He's as comfortable winning his own ball as Danyle Pearce or Cale Morton. Completely outside and so many got his scouting wrong in the lead up to the 14 draft. The Dangerfield comparisons were/ are borderline disrespectful.
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You're entitled to your opinion mate, but I'll respectfully disagree and consider comparisons to Pearce and Morton to be disrespectful.

Not sure where the Dangerfield comparisons came from around draft time, but I'd disagree with those too (and would have at the time). He's a solid old-school rover who has (or had!) some elite breakaway pace. Definite AFL-standard inside / outside centre bounce midfielder.

Three years outside of the system with an injury that takes away his key trait of pace though, means that he's up against it no matter what his future role.
 
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Sier had some decent VFL showings? What were his stats? Not that it matter but Kyle Martin consistently got 35 possessions a game and kicked goals.
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You've half answered your own question mate. That is, who cares about stats?!

Stats don't matter so much as showing potential that you belong at that level, which Sier did in a few games.

Was earlier on in the season when the seniors were shithouse and it was all doom and gloom, so Sier's selection has copped even more flack than it should have. He didn't have the benefit of playing in the second half of the year when we played better in the firsts.
 
Scodog10 said:
Unfortunately though without other factors I'm sceptical about it having much of an impact on his ability to find the ball with any regularity. Take a look at Nathan Freeman he's been built like Adonis for 5 years, but it means bugger all considering he doesn't "get it" and relies far too much on others giving him the ball.

The hope for me is that the body transformation has been achieved by churning out the K's behind the scenes, that he's chased Swanny or Johnno down to chat about their running programs back in the day and he's been ultra chummy with Sando (ball movement). If he can find that tank and running patterns he'll be ok!
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FIGJAM said:
You're entitled to your opinion mate, but I'll respectfully disagree and consider comparisons to Pearce and Morton to be disrespectful.

Not sure where the Dangerfield comparisons came from around draft time, but I'd disagree with those too (and would have at the time). He's a solid old-school rover who has (or had!) some elite breakaway pace. Definite AFL-standard inside / outside centre bounce midfielder.

Three years outside of the system with an injury that takes away his key trait of pace though, means that he's up against it no matter what his future role.
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The Danger comparison came from Hine and it was more he had some Danger like qualities in his game.
Ie great burst pace, solid frame high endurance etc.
It was not a direct comparison of players in every facet.

Was basically saying he had attributes that would see him danger like moments in a game bursting from congestion.
 

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Kappa said:
Hoping he has some big VFL games early
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It would be nice. If his fitness is up to scratch heading in to the new season we'll find out pretty quickly if that was the reason he couldn't get much of the ball last year.
 
Kappa said:
I don't think he has the fitness excuse anymore at VFL level after 2 AFL preseasons
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That was pretty much what I said....

Maybe should have worded it as barring further injury.
 
Sier didn't get a lot of footy last year, but one occasion showed pieces of play that justified the selection. Goodyear was nowhere for different reasons for most of 2015 yet was an immensely improved player in 2016. Yeah he ultimately got delisted, but he showed a lot more than many including me thought he was capable of to become an effective VFL player and probably enough to get a rookie spot at another club. If Sier who's coming from even further back can show a similar level of improvement with his bigger frame he'll hold his spot for 2018.
 
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