Breaking news - lovett charged.

[Grades75]

I just hope the poor girl involved in this doesn't suffer too much. If she was lying and looking for a payout she would be making noise in the media.

I hope you all don't forget that this is all about 2 peoples lives, not just a footy career. I'm pretty sure they'll both come out at the end of this worse off whatever way it ends, guilty or not guilty.

So let us wonder about how it effects his contract, but not have a kangaroo court to decide his guilt or innocence.

 

[yaco55]

I believe that the victim has appeared in the media in the past.

 

[GeorgeGrljusich]

I just hope the poor girl involved in this doesn't suffer too much. If she was lying and looking for a payout she would be making noise in the media.

I hope you all don't forget that this is all about 2 peoples lives, not just a footy career. I'm pretty sure they'll both come out at the end of this worse off whatever way it ends, guilty or not guilty.

So let us wonder about how it effects his contract, but not have a kangaroo court to decide his guilt or innocence.

No doubt at all that two peoples lives are now irrevocably damaged regardless of the outcome of the trial.

And if you actually read the thread you would be hard pressed to find anyone making presumptions on guilt or innocense at all.

Number 1 it would have been deleted by mods because no2 it is liable.

 

[Bollox]

Are u all just assuming he was suspended for the rape allegations ?

Wouldnt take much of a solicitor to advise them quickly about potential shitstorms and simply tell them to suspend him over the grog side of things...then review their options later.

Thats a totally different thing...is there some sort of assumption he was suspended for rape allegations... or did they simply say he was suspended indefinitely and not explain fully ?

 

[Zvim]

I just hope the poor girl involved in this doesn't suffer too much. If she was lying and looking for a payout she would be making noise in the media.

I hope you all don't forget that this is all about 2 peoples lives, not just a footy career. I'm pretty sure they'll both come out at the end of this worse off whatever way it ends, guilty or not guilty.

So let us wonder about how it effects his contract, but not have a kangaroo court to decide his guilt or innocence.

Legal system is a show, your guilt or innocence is based on what you can convince a jury, irrespective of the facts. Defendants are highly paid professionals, prosecutors are poorly paid civil servants. Unless there is a smoking gun then the chance of prosecution is poor irrespective of the facts, it is why most victims do not go to court to be r*ped a second time by the legal system.

 

[Grades75]

I believe that the victim has appeared in the media in the past.

Well i could be wrong but i don't remember it.

i'm pretty sure if she was doing it for cash or her 15 minutes whe would be out there selling her story.

But then we'll all probably have to wait till after the criminal case to see if she launches civil action.

There's a lesser burden of proof in civil as oppossed to criminal trials.

 

[Zvim]

Well i could be wrong but i don't remember it.

i'm pretty sure if she was doing it for cash or her 15 minutes whe would be out there selling her story.

But then we'll all probably have to wait till after the criminal case to see if she launches civil action.

There's a lesser burden of proof in civil as oppossed to criminal trials.

It has more to do with having better legal representation.

 

[Grades75]

It has more to do with having better legal representation.

The only people that will come out at the end of this better off will be the lawyers who i'm sure will be making a fortune off it.

 

[yaco55]

Well i could be wrong but i don't remember it.

i'm pretty sure if she was doing it for cash or her 15 minutes whe would be out there selling her story.

But then we'll all probably have to wait till after the criminal case to see if she launches civil action.

There's a lesser burden of proof in civil as oppossed to criminal trials.

I am not referring to this incident or selling the case for cash - although after the final wash up - there may be offers to sell her side of the story

The victim is known within the football industry.

 

[Grades75]

No doubt at all that two peoples lives are now irrevocably damaged regardless of the outcome of the trial.

And if you actually read the thread you would be hard pressed to find anyone making presumptions on guilt or innocense at all.

Number 1 it would have been deleted by mods because no2 it is liable.

I'm not trying to say that everyone is doing it, but you can some in some peoples posts that they are making some presumptions, not only about guilt or innocence, but also the race card and other issues. They may come right out and say some things and infer others.

But i'm sure the mods have had to delete some posts by some people who may have come out and said something they probably shouldn't have.

 

[Zvim]

The only people that will come out at the end of this better off will be the lawyers who i'm sure will be making a fortune off it.

Well, if you win you can make a bit of money but you have to go through a fair bit of pain. Yes, Lawyers always make their pound of flesh, no matter of the result.

 

[Bay Pie]

I hope this girl is squeaky clean because Lovett's expensive legal team will drag her through the mud if they find any dirt on her so her testimony wont be worth spit.

This is the problem with rape cases, the victim is now on trial. In such a high profile case it could do a lot of damage to see her ripped apart.

Yes very true but Lovetts history will also be brought up.

 

[Zvim]

Yes very true but Lovetts history will also be brought up.

Definitely, but he doesn't have to prove he is innocent, the others must prove he is guilty. So if Lovett and the victim are discredited then it is a win for Lovett.

 

[superfreak]

I believe that the victim has appeared in the media in the past.

Correct yuco. Very well known in football circles and no stranger to incidents which have been publicized.

 

[Grades75]

Definitely, but he doesn't have to prove he is innocent, the others must prove he is guilty. So if Lovett and the victim are discredited then it is a win for Lovett.

Actually in a criminal trial nothing about the accussed's past can be alleged in court, unless his own defence bring it up first.

So basically they can slag off at the girl in court and Lovett can just sit there and say nothing and nothing bad can be said about him. It's all meant to be about the facts presented at court about the one matter.

there are exceptions to this rule, but not likely to be used in this case.

Gee my legal studies teacher would be so proud, i actually remember something from back then.

 

[Bay Pie]

Definitely, but he doesn't have to prove he is innocent, the others must prove he is guilty. So if Lovett and the victim are discredited then it is a win for Lovett.

In 2006, Lovett’s ex-girlfriend Kimberley Watson was granted a court intervention order after accusing him of locking her in a car and repeatedly beating her.

Lovett was later fined $500 for breaching the court order after approaching Watson in a Melbourne bar.


Lovett doesn't understand 'no' means no.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

In 2006, Lovett’s ex-girlfriend Kimberley Watson was granted a court intervention order after accusing him of locking her in a car and repeatedly beating her.

Lovett was later fined $500 for breaching the court order after approaching Watson in a Melbourne bar.


Lovett doesn't understand 'no' means no.

have no idea about the truth in this - but it is stuff like this you won't see in the media - so that lovett can get a fair trial

 

[Kid A]

I would assume that a charge this serious would be enough for St Kilda to dismiss him - I would guess they would have to pay out his contract in order to do so.

doubtful. If he is convicted it would be obvious serious misconduct and Lovett can be summarily dismissed without any severance entitlements. It's like catching an employee stealing a PC.

 

[XFactor1979]

another example that a footballer has got way too much time on their hands!

it was suggested footballers should go back to the old days and WORK, just like the rest of us slubs!

not full time jobs or whatever, but even a couple of days a week. and reduce player wages, these people are overpaid to kick and catch a ball around

wishful thinking right?

 

[Zvim]

Actually in a criminal trial nothing about the accussed's past can be alleged in court, unless his own defence bring it up first.

So basically they can slag off at the girl in court and Lovett can just sit there and say nothing and nothing bad can be said about him. It's all meant to be about the facts presented at court about the one matter.

there are exceptions to this rule, but not likely to be used in this case.

Gee my legal studies teacher would be so proud, i actually remember something from back then.

lol that is hilarious, in a bad way.

 

[yaco55]

Correct yuco. Very well known in football circles and no stranger to incidents which have been publicized.

This is why it could be a messy trial.

 

[Zvim]

In 2006, Lovett’s ex-girlfriend Kimberley Watson was granted a court intervention order after accusing him of locking her in a car and repeatedly beating her.

Lovett was later fined $500 for breaching the court order after approaching Watson in a Melbourne bar.


Lovett doesn't understand 'no' means no.

It might work in his favour if she wasn't hurt physically. I would imagine that a victim would struggle.

 

[OneEyedHawk]

In 2006, Lovett’s ex-girlfriend Kimberley Watson was granted a court intervention order after accusing him of locking her in a car and repeatedly beating her.

Lovett was later fined $500 for breaching the court order after approaching Watson in a Melbourne bar.


Lovett doesn't understand 'no' means no.

Funny you should say that. He hounded a friend of mine via text like nothing I have ever seen before.

This chick dodged a bullet.

 

[ralph1970]

i reckon the keeping him away from potential witness excuse for him not being allowed at the club is not valid. i'm fairly sure that keeping defendants and witnesses apart is done by court order. it is not the responsibility of private citizens/corporations to do take this duty upon themselves.

 

[Durham Hawks]

sorry but comparing M&M to lovett is like comparing angwin and norman to the current drug culture

too much has changed to draw comparisons. it's a totally different sport and media environment.