Brent Williams??

[AndrewJo]

In Dale Lewis's column in The Advertiser 28/7/2006 there was an article about Brent Williams. Brent Williams is the leading goal kicker for his club Noble Park, which plays in one of the local leagues in Melbourne. He was dropped last weekend for missing a compulsory training session. He went back to the reserves and kicked 25 goals straight.

Is this the Brent Williams who was listed with the Crows?? What happened to him after he left here?

 

[Mad Dog]

In Dale Lewis's column in The Advertiser 28/7/2006 there was an article about Brent Williams. Brent Williams is the leading goal kicker for his club Noble Park, which plays in one of the local leagues in Melbourne. He was dropped last weekend for missing a compulsory training session. He went back to the reserves and kicked 25 goals straight.

Is this the Brent Williams who was listed with the Crows?? What happened to him after he left here?

Yes it's the same Brent Williams.

He was on our list in 96 and 97 - played 7 games in 1997 and was then traded to Melbourne.

He was on TFS last night where they discussed his 25 goal haul.

I've got a feeling that was the deal that got Bass here.....(???)

 

[afc9798]

Yes it's the same Brent Williams.

He was on our list in 96 and 97 - played 7 games in 1997 and was then traded to Melbourne.

He was on TFS last night where they discussed his 25 goal haul.

I've got a feeling that was the deal that got Bass here.....(???)

'Twas if I recall correctly...Brent Williams and Matthew Collins for Nathan Bassett plus a low pick. I think we won on that, regardless of who the extra pick went on. These were all in the mould of many average players that we got from Victoria over the years: Williams, Collins, Fernee, Gilligan, Handby, Eccles. With the exception of Gilligan, all average size utilities that are either too slow for the midfield or not big enough for KPP and the aerobic capacities of a 40 year old labrador.

 

[Drummond]

These were all in the mould of many average players that we got from Victoria over the years: Williams, Collins, Fernee, Gilligan, Handby, Eccles. With the exception of Gilligan, all average size utilities that are either too slow for the midfield or not big enough for KPP and the aerobic capacities of a 40 year old labrador.

Eccles was going to be a very good player, until David Bourke collided with him against Richmond at AAMI. He was actually included in Victoria's SOO squad, as he was having a great season. He was on the verge of becoming a top player, but that serious injury to his knee set him back and he never recovered.

 

[Alex99]

'Twas if I recall correctly...Brent Williams and Matthew Collins for Nathan Bassett plus a low pick. I think we won on that, regardless of who the extra pick went on. These were all in the mould of many average players that we got from Victoria over the years: Williams, Collins, Fernee, Gilligan, Handby, Eccles. With the exception of Gilligan, all average size utilities that are either too slow for the midfield or not big enough for KPP and the aerobic capacities of a 40 year old labrador.

Clay Sampson or Trent Ormond Allen – one of those two were grouped with Nathan Bassett

 

[tribey]

Eccles was going to be a very good player, until David Bourke collided with him against Richmond at AAMI. He was actually included in Victoria's SOO squad, as he was having a great season. He was on the verge of becoming a top player, but that serious injury to his knee set him back and he never recovered.

I remember Gerard Healy was a massive fan, but knee or no knee I don't think he was good as general opinion had him at the time.

Go back and look at the 98 Grand Final. Late in the second quarter I think it is, Eccles while running free between wing and our HFF goes to kick inside-50 and under no pressure at all the kick was an absolute grubber that went 10 metres if that. Good players, let alone great ones, don't make skill errors of that magnitude.

I know highlighting one error is a tad harsh, but regardless of his ACL he'd have been found out in the end. He just didn't have a redeeming feature which would see him make it in the bigtime, regardless of the odd good game he played for us.

 

[Mad Dog]

I remember Gerard Healy was a massive fan, but knee or no knee I don't think he was good as general opinion had him at the time.

Go back and look at the 98 Grand Final. Late in the second quarter I think it is, Eccles while running free between wing and our HFF goes to kick inside-50 and under no pressure at all the kick was an absolute grubber that went 10 metres if that. Good players, let alone great ones, don't make skill errors of that magnitude.

I know highlighting one error is a tad harsh, but regardless of his ACL he'd have been found out in the end. He just didn't have a redeeming feature which would see him make it in the bigtime, regardless of the odd good game he played for us.

Eccles couldn't make it at Carlton.....

end of discussion.....

 

[Drummond]

Eccles couldn't make it at Carlton.....

end of discussion.....

While he was never the fastest player, his speed was shot because of his knee. He was effectively done as a player when Bourke injured him.

 

[tribey]

While he was never the fastest player, his speed was shot because of his knee. He was effectively done as a player when Bourke injured him.

But funnily enough he had his two most possession-rich games for the Crows in 2000 - post knee.

29 vs Collingwont
30 vs Hawthorn

Before that his best was 23 vs the Saints in '99...

 

[Alex99]

Eccles couldn't make it at Carlton.....

end of discussion.....

A perfect example of a player who playing well due to the class of player around him but it was not indicative of his talent. Andrew Eccles showed glimpses of being a good player in a very good side but in a bad side was shown up for his limitations.

Why couldn’t Scott Steven make it at the Sydney Swans? Why is he just showing how well he can play? It is simply because he is in a very good side and his limitations are hidden and not shown up because of the class around him (See Andrew Eccles)

 

[Stiffy_18]

A perfect example of a player who playing well due to the class of player around him but it was not indicative of his talent. Andrew Eccles showed glimpses of being a good player in a very good side but in a bad side was shown up for his limitations.

Why couldn’t Scott Steven make it at the Sydney Swans? Why is he just showing how well he can play? It is simply because he is in a very good side and his limitations are hidden and not shown up because of the class around him (See Andrew Eccles)

Why couldn't Mark Stevens cut it at Kangaroos? What about Jason McCarthy at Collingwood and Adelaide? While we are at it why didn't Nathan Bassett make it at Melbourne?

Brushing everyone with the same brush is not exactly a very sound strategy. Different players, different situations.

 

[Alex99]

Why couldn't Mark Stevens cut it at Kangaroos? What about Jason McCarthy at Collingwood and Adelaide? While we are at it why didn't Nathan Bassett make it at Melbourne?

Brushing everyone with the same brush is not exactly a very sound strategy. Different players, different situations.

Mark Stevens was simply lack of opportunity. He was stuck behind John Longmire, Cory McKernan and the best player in the last 30 year, Wayne Carey.

Jason McCartney has been at 2 clubs and been coached by 2 very good coaches (Mathews and Blight) yet could not find a permeate spot, lucky for him he meet North’s and Dennis Pagans specification for a defender.

Nathan Bassett was fit for about 3 months at his time at Melbourne (during the summer months) after that he broke his sternum and at the end of his first season asked to be traded to Adelaide.

Scott Steven was drafted in 1999, why has it taken him 6 and a bit year to establish himself in any side? Has it been a lack of talent, simply opportunity or is it purely luck that he found his niche in a winning side?

How come he hasn’t been able to hold down a spot before now at his time at the AFC?

 

[The Crows Truth]

Why couldn’t Scott Steven make it at the Sydney Swans? Why is he just showing how well he can play? It is simply because he is in a very good side and his limitations are hidden and not shown up because of the class around him (See Andrew Eccles)

why didnt rutten, doughty, stevens, massie etc look like afl footballers under ayres?

why were bird and stiffy much inferior players to their current levels?

 

[Alex99]

why didnt rutten, doughty, stevens, massie etc look like afl footballers under ayres?

why were bird and stiffy much inferior players to their current levels?

Are you bagging Gary Ayres or giving extreme praise to Neil Craig?

Even Gary Ayres harshest critics at the Adelaide Crows could not say he was never a very good coach, because he got everything ounce he could out of the squad between 2000 and 2004.

It was simply the right time for a change of coach at the Adelaide Football Club when Gary Ayres left; he lost the player and board’s confidence, not his inability to coach.

 

[The Crows Truth]

Are you bagging Gary Ayres or giving extreme praise to Neil Craig?

Even Gary Ayres harshest critics at the Adelaide Crows could not say he was never a very good coach, because he got everything ounce he could out of the squad between 2000 and 2004.

It was simply the right time for a change of coach at the Adelaide Football Club when Gary Ayres left; he lost the player and board’s confidence, not his inability to coach.

C98 you made the following comment,

Why couldn’t Scott Steven make it at the Sydney Swans? Why is he just showing how well he can play? It is simply because he is in a very good side and his limitations are hidden and not shown up because of the class around him


why does this concept only apply to stevens but not the other players i have mentioned above - doughty, massie, rutten etc? stevens is ONE of many crows players that have significantly improved as AFL footballers under craig. i dont see you going around saying trade these other lads - but whats the difference? if anything, we have less KPP backups than virtually any other possie on the ground so why are you picking on stevens???

 

[The Crows Truth]

Are you bagging Gary Ayres or giving extreme praise to Neil Craig?

Even Gary Ayres harshest critics at the Adelaide Crows could not say he was never a very good coach, because he got everything ounce he could out of the squad between 2000 and 2004.

It was simply the right time for a change of coach at the Adelaide Football Club when Gary Ayres left; he lost the player and board’s confidence, not his inability to coach.

the point is another coach - like Craig - would have got a helluva lot more out of the squad than ayres was capable of. im not bagging ayres. he was a coach with an average-slightly above average ability to coach afl imo

 

[Alex99]

C98 you made the following comment,

Why couldn’t Scott Steven make it at the Sydney Swans? Why is he just showing how well he can play? It is simply because he is in a very good side and his limitations are hidden and not shown up because of the class around him


why does this concept only apply to stevens but not the other players i have mentioned above - doughty, massie, rutten etc? stevens is ONE of many crows players that have significantly improved as AFL footballers under craig. i dont see you going around saying trade these other lads - but whats the difference? if anything, we have less KPP backups than virtually any other possie on the ground so why are you picking on stevens???

Have you not read anything that I have written about Scott Steven in the bumper tread threat? As I said numerous time I am not fully convinced that the form he is showing at the moment is indicative of his talent; I believe that he is playing good consistent football because the team is up and flying and that is helping him combat his direct opponent.

The fact we have very good player around him is helping him enormously.

Ben Rutten and Michael Doughty have shown that there form is transferable from a side that is struggling to a side that can win under any circumstances and have shown that they can be counted on when the heat is on. Scott Steven has only ever been in good form in a good side, and I am yet to be convinced as it’s my prerogative. Just as it my prerogative to post that I would like to trade him, just as it your to disagree.

I guess Kriss Massie is not as valuable in a trade situation because half back flanker are like a dime a dozen and very easy to convert, we could easily get a second round draft pick for Scott Stevens.

 

[The Crows Truth]

I guess Kriss Massie is not as valuable in a trade situation because half back flanker are like a dime a dozen and very easy to convert, we could easily get a second round draft pick for Scott Stevens.

lets agree to disagree

 

[- PC -]

Eccles was going to be a very good player, (

I also thought he had '' it'' .

But certainly not Williams

 

[- PC -]

As I said numerous time I am not fully convinced that the form he is showing at the moment is indicative of his talent;

Does it have to be?

I believe that he is playing good consistent football because the team is up and flying and that is helping him combat his direct opponent

.And that is Neil Craigs concept of TEAM . Will his trade replacement or Bock be better? Are we eulogising Bock on one solid year ?

Scott Steven has only ever been in good form in a good side, and I am yet to be convinced as it’s my prerogative. Just as it my prerogative to post that I would like to trade him, just as it your to disagree.

As long as you accept the reverse is also possible then we can move on

Dont get me wrong I dont think SS is a player who will reach any great heights or even get a Brownlow vote, but he is a link in NCs team plan and as such must be judged on that , not on how long he took to break into a side

 

[Mego Red]

'Twas if I recall correctly...Brent Williams and Matthew Collins for Nathan Bassett plus a low pick. I think we won on that, regardless of who the extra pick went on.

I feel like Crow-mo, correcting folks memories of ten year old drafts, but I'm pretty sure Nick Pesch was in there somewhere also ...

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Yes it's the same Brent Williams.

He was on our list in 96 and 97 - played 7 games in 1997 and was then traded to Melbourne.

He was on TFS last night where they discussed his 25 goal haul.

I've got a feeling that was the deal that got Bass here.....(???)

CORRECT! This was THE deal that got the Evil Sea Bass/Punchy Bassett back to his rightufl home!!!!!!!!! We won big time on this one, was B Willams and M Collins for the real AA defender none of this Clement over rated ****e!

 

[beartoo]

Scott Stevens is doing a great job in the top side in the comp. People have different opinions on whether or not Nathan Bock will/should come into the side to replace him comes finals time. It would be sad to see a player who has given so much to the side this year miss out on the finals.
Why would Stevens be up for trade at the end of this year? He's shown that he is a seriously good footballer.
Have you ever considered the possibility that Crows footballers might look at this site from time to time? I would if I was a player as it would give me an inkling about how I was rated by the supporter base. If SS ever cruises this site, I wonder how he feels about the constant knockers?

 

[Alex99]

Scott Stevens is doing a great job in the top side in the comp. People have different opinions on whether or not Nathan Bock will/should come into the side to replace him comes finals time. It would be sad to see a player who has given so much to the side this year miss out on the finals.
Why would Stevens be up for trade at the end of this year? He's shown that he is a seriously good footballer.
Have you ever considered the possibility that Crows footballers might look at this site from time to time? I would if I was a player as it would give me an inkling about how I was rated by the supporter base. If SS ever cruises this site, I wonder how he feels about the constant knockers?

Last time I checked I didn’t have to be a complete and utter sycophantic fan of the Adelaide Football Club when I paid my membership fee. I am allowed to be critical of player and how they perform just as I am allowed to show adulation of there skill and ability to win game of football.

AFL football is a cut throat industry, if Scott Stevens (or any other player for that matter) is going to take offence to someone writing a bit of garbage about him on a forum web site, then he will never make it. If he is going to get upset or take offence when he is playing at his best, how is he going to accept the criticism during the down periods when the newspaper’s and radio stations start are after something to sensationalise.

What is the difference in being critical of an in form Scott Stevens and a some what out of form Luke Jericho, Rhett Biglands, Brett Burton, Mathew Clarke, over the years, even Scott Stevens was the whipping boy of this board as early as 12 weeks ago? Wouldn’t the principals be the same that bagging of player or club officials are sacrosanct?

There is no difference; only fact is that I have taken aim at Scott Stevens simply because I don’t see him having a long and viable future as an AFL player (well at the AFC)

 

[Alex99]

As long as you accept the reverse is also possible then we can move on

Of course, I can accept that the possibility exists that he could have turned the corner and is becoming a very good football player who will have a long and distinguished career with the Crows.

Dont get me wrong I dont think SS is a player who will reach any great heights or even get a Brownlow vote, but he is a link in NCs team plan and as such must be judged on that , not on how long he took to break into a side

Like I said in a different thread, I would be able to accept his improvement as a player and would view him in a different nature if he was performing like he is (I am not saying he isn’t playing good football) in a side that is not winning so comprehensibly.

When we (the team) hits a bad patch of form (don’t put your head in the sand and believe that it will never happen) is when we will get a true indication of how he (and others) will perform and what there true vale to team is going to be. If he can stand up during this period of time I will stand up and applaud his as a player, but playing good football in a exceptionally talented side in no achievement in my eyes.