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Is he a passenger in the Australian side...

thoughts???
 
Yes. 'Gold-pass' if I've ever seen one. The problem is probable replacements. Anyone?
 
I think so long as McGrath and Gillespie are bowling well, then Lee should continue to play. The more test cricket he plays the better he will be.
However, should either McGrath or Gillespie lose form, and Lee dosen't step up, then the selectors may need to look at an alternative.
Lee at full throttle is no doubt a test bowler.
 
Personally I believe that while McGrath and Gillespie are doing there thing and Warnie is still taking wickets Brett Lee should be able to run in and bowl as fast as he wants.

It many not be the case that Brett Lee takes a bagfull but the bloke at the other end will benifit from this aswell as Bowling is just as much about partnerships as batting.

Brett Lee is definitley the biggest free loader in the Aussie team at the moment, with the Waugh's probably not that far behind.

The only thing with Lee is that there is no real ready made replacement, could give Watson a go chances are he couldn't do any worse than what Lee is at the moment and the Kid can really bat.

Interesting really...
 

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I wish Brad Williams was up and firing.
 
Originally posted by Guey_34
I wish Brad Williams was up and firing.
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Lets hope Willo and Nichelson have a big summer! Lee is far too expensive and doesn't bring home the goods when needed - he'll get picked again due to Gillespies injury
 
I posted a thread on this a while ago, I don't think Brett Lee is of the standard required of a test bowler judging by his form over the last 18 months. He is far too expensive and only ever chips in with 1 tailend wicket. Will admit, he will improve and become a great player, but should not be picked on such a regular basis IMO.
 
Agreed, Brett really hasn't done anything for a while, AND i also think there a number of suitable replacements.

If you want to go for experience, Michael Kasprowicz is well up to the task i reckon. Brad Williams is also starting to come of age, as is Stuart Clark.

Paul Rofe is really looking like he's gonna be an awesome bowler. He has a nice straight actoin and bowls stump to stump.

Matt Inness - funny actoin, but has the numbers on the board. Is a better bowler than Bracken.

I recokn any of those 5 are capable of doing just as good job as Brett Lee is at the moment.
 
Originally posted by hourn
Agreed, Brett really hasn't done anything for a while, AND i also think there a number of suitable replacements.

If you want to go for experience, Michael Kasprowicz is well up to the task i reckon. Brad Williams is also starting to come of age, as is Stuart Clark.

Paul Rofe is really looking like he's gonna be an awesome bowler. He has a nice straight actoin and bowls stump to stump.

Matt Inness - funny actoin, but has the numbers on the board. Is a better bowler than Bracken.

I recokn any of those 5 are capable of doing just as good job as Brett Lee is at the moment.
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Agreed you could list off a whole number of bowlers who should be in the side ahead of Lee.

Add to that list Andy Bichel, Ashley Noffke, Matty Nicholson, etc.

I hated the way the selectors discarded Damien Fleming in favour of then unproven and still unproven Lee.

Hopefully Flembo can put the performances on the board for the mighty Redbacks and get back his right spot in the Australian side! (Or, failing that, help South Australia to a sheffield shield... yes I still call it that)
 
Yeah i reckon Brad Williams will fire up and he should get a game in the test side. He has proven he is quality over the last couple of seasons breaking into the one day side before breaking his finger.

Williams, Nicholson, Wilson, Angel, Carey, Hoggy.. our bowling line up looks much better this season and im looking forward to it.
 
Since the start of the 2001 England tour, Brett Lee has played 15 Tests for 44 wickets at the poor average of 38.40 (with a high economy rate of 3.78). It's incredible to think that he hasn't been dropped once in this period.

Lucky for him the class of McGrath, Warne and to a lesser extent Gillespie have covered up his deficincies.

And as others have pointed out in their posts, there are plenty of capable replacements for Lee, although most definitely one of them isn't Kasporwicz. Simply not up to the task of Test cricket, and unlike some others mentioned, has had a few opportunities to prove himself.
 
Originally posted by wagstaff
Since the start of the 2001 England tour, Brett Lee has played 15 Tests for 44 wickets at the poor average of 38.40 (with a high economy rate of 3.78). It's incredible to think that he hasn't been dropped once in this period.

Lucky for him the class of McGrath, Warne and to a lesser extent Gillespie have covered up his deficincies.

And as others have pointed out in their posts, there are plenty of capable replacements for Lee, although most definitely one of them isn't Kasporwicz. Simply not up to the task of Test cricket, and unlike some others mentioned, has had a few opportunities to prove himself.
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I agree about Kasporwicz. I couldn't stand to see him selected again.

Lee is fine for the time being.
 

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3rd choice

You should go for variation with your third paceman.

- Fleming because he can swing the ball and handle a bat.
- Innes or Bracken for the difference in angle provided by left-armers.
- Watson because he's a good batsman and future prospect.

Brett Lee should concentrate hard on his batting and try and become a bowling all-rounder. It's the only way he'll be able to justify his place in the side if his pace drops off.

But I'm a massive wrap for Flemmo, and a little bit of me will die when he plays for SA for the first time.

What was Hookes thinking getting rid of him? He deserves to be playing for Australia. He can bat and bowl and is a top team-man.

Grrr.
 
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Originally posted by bluechampion
You should go for variation with your third paceman.

- Fleming because he can swing the ball and handle a bat.
- Innes or Bracken for the difference in angle provided by left-armers.
- Watson because he's a good batsman and future prospect.
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add to that Paul Rofe - he is the best young quick bowler in the land at the moment, and has had a proven season at SS level in which he finishe in the top 5 wicket takers.

He also has a good action, and run up that suggests he could really step it up into the next level.
 
Yep sure is a passenger as he hasnt done much for 12 to 18 months and is getting a game based only on the fact that he can bowl fast but he cant bowl accurately enough to take wickets.
Mcgrath doesnt bowl that fast but he knows where to put the ball in the right spot to take wickets.
The problem with Lee is he is trying to break world speed records and not achieving much else.
 
I've been patient with him personally - always expecting the "next test" will see him come of age! My patience is running out

I'm still p****** off with the way he bowled to the tailenders in Australia recently - especially in Adelaide.
 

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Brett Lee is not up to the highest level.

I've noticed a couple of things about him lately.

1. He has bowls fast and that's it. It's rarely accurate and consistently concedes large amounts of runs. When he tries to change pace his slow ball is too slow and has no effect at all compared to the slow ball of say an Ian Harvey. His one speed only is easily played at by the batsmen. He has no variety like a good paceman, such as McGrath has.

2. When hit for a few runs he starts behaving like a spoilt little brat by aiming for the head of the batsmen, he starts bowling garbage, which is a stark constrast from the garbage he usually bowls. He starts firing returns at the batsmen, this saw many of the Pakis run away fearing a cricket ball right between the eyes. When frustrated he concedes run after run easily and the batsmen know they have him on ice. It is very similar to McGrath and the way he sooks when things don't go his way.

As for passenger, that is the most accurate assessment of him I've seen for a while.
 
Originally posted by cjwalkley
Get Matthew Inness in there and that would really improve the line - up.

I guess for Inness to get a game though he would have to move to NSW.
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Yeah, your dead right. I'm surprised Damien Fleming didn't consider moving there, going to SA isn't going to increase your chances of a recall to the Aussie team.
 
Originally posted by Catman
Brett Lee is not up to the highest level.

I've noticed a couple of things about him lately.

1. He has bowls fast and that's it. It's rarely accurate and consistently concedes large amounts of runs. When he tries to change pace his slow ball is too slow and has no effect at all compared to the slow ball of say an Ian Harvey. His one speed only is easily played at by the batsmen. He has no variety like a good paceman, such as McGrath has.

2. When hit for a few runs he starts behaving like a spoilt little brat by aiming for the head of the batsmen, he starts bowling garbage, which is a stark constrast from the garbage he usually bowls. He starts firing returns at the batsmen, this saw many of the Pakis run away fearing a cricket ball right between the eyes. When frustrated he concedes run after run easily and the batsmen know they have him on ice. It is very similar to McGrath and the way he sooks when things don't go his way.

As for passenger, that is the most accurate assessment of him I've seen for a while.
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I agree with most of this except that he is no longer capable of bowling real fast. Gillespie get's em up to the 140's as often as this over rated hack.

I repeat that Lee is a HACK!
 
Originally posted by Santos L Helper
I repeat that Lee is a HACK!
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And I may as well start it, he's a chucker too. Him and Shoaib I feel are only allowed to play because of the outcry and controversy that would arise if they were found to be chuckers.
 

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