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Thats Wright said:
Denial?

Each to their own, but the Perth crowd saying how cool they are with terrorism is a bit of a joke. Couldn't be further from it.

Melbourne even has the socialist fascists attacking people to protect terrorism.

It's a steaming pile of a mess.
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I'm as about as likely to get killed as a result of terrorism as I am of a lightning strike.

It's a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, like many bad things which happen to you in life.

I'm not going to stress about it, nor am I going to fill myself with hatred and anger about it. Because that is counter-productive to me.

I'd rather view the issue rationally. That doesn't mean I don't care or I don't think it is a problem by the way, it's just that going through the roof emotionally isn't a good basis for meaningful answers to the problem.
 

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_Swoon said:
Here's an example from my industry.

Say an excavator operator under my watch is given some dodgy plans that he can't read very well and proceeds to dig up a high pressure gas main. What do you think would happen if I explained that the plans weren't really that clear, that we were under a lot of pressure, that we usually have a pretty good record with underground infrastructure and that everybody makes mistakes? That if I explained that it was easy to see in hindsight that the gas main was there but we had no idea at the time? Do you think I'd be entitled to some leniency and sympathy?

No. The operator would be dead and I'd be in prison.

I don't see why the judicial system should be treated any different. You screw up like this, you're out. The department keeps screwing up like this and you overhaul something until these screw ups go away. Why would you accept anything less, because "everybody makes mistakes"? Sorry bro, some mistakes get people killed. They should never be considered an acceptable occurrence, especially when they're entirely avoidable.
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That is not a comparable example, because the criminal judicial system is about the presumption of innocence, proving guilt beyond reasonable doubt and a whole lot of other concepts that protect civil liberties and human rights.

The judge in his parole hearing would've read submissions from both sides, listened to their arguments, examined the evidence available, and then subsequently made his or her decision based on all of the former. I am not presumptuous enough to think I know better than the judge that was actually at his parole hearing. If a judge stuffed up, there will be questions, and rightly so, but if we removed judges every time they made a mistake we would have none left.
 
sherb said:
I'm as about as likely to get killed as a result of terrorism as I am of a lightning strike.

It's a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, like many bad things which happen to you in life.

I'm not going to stress about it, nor am I going to fill myself with hatred and anger about it. Because that is counter-productive to me.

I'd rather view the issue rationally. That doesn't mean I don't care or I don't think it is a problem by the way, it's just that going through the roof emotionally isn't a good basis for meaningful answers to the problem.
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Fair enough.

What pisses me off....

Those compromised by terror in the media.

Those with the hand out. Right through the government and police as well.

Those protecting their nest through denial...

understandable for some.

The bullshit, denial and apologies for mass murder are pathetic. Weak humans bending over for cowards.
 
Thats Wright said:
The bullshit, denial and apologies for mass murder are pathetic. Weak humans bending over for cowards.
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Trying to understand why there are Islamic extremists conducting terrorist attacks does not mean denial or apologising for what's happening. If you don't understand how they are created and what motivates people to turn to murder, then you will never stop terrorism. Period.

It's a difficult concept to swallow for some, but the scum are/were people too.
 
Forward Press said:
Trying to understand why there are Islamic extremists conducting terrorist attacks does not mean denial or apologising for what's happening. If you don't understand how they are created and what motivates people to turn to murder, then you will never stop terrorism. Period.

It's a difficult concept to swallow for some, but the scum are/were people too.
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Steer clear of Eddie McChins and Malloy 'I have another beer when there's another attack' in the morning.

The dollars going through collingwood from the UAE should not 'purchase' parts of our media.

It's ****ed.
 
Thats Wright said:
Steer clear of Eddie McChins and Malloy 'I have another beer when there's another attack' in the morning.

The dollars going through collingwood from the UAE should not 'purchase' parts of our media.

It's ******.
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Your team's home ground is named after a Middle Eastern airline built on petrodollars.

It's the reality of the world today, I'd rather we take it one step at a time when disengaging from sponsors of terrorists, and that should start with Saudi Arabia. If we suddenly cut off all trade with all known sponsors of terrorism our economy would be f***ed.
 
Forward Press said:
Your team's home ground is named after a Middle Eastern airline built on petrodollars.

It's the reality of the world today, I'd rather we take it one step at a time when disengaging from sponsors of terrorists, and that should start with Saudi Arabia. If we suddenly cut off all trade with all known sponsors of terrorism our economy would be f***ed.
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Erm .. well apparently all this time we'd thought Osama bin Laden was a Saudi, funded by the Saudis but look over there at Qatar!
 
Forward Press said:
Your team's home ground is named after a Middle Eastern airline built on petrodollars.

It's the reality of the world today, I'd rather we take it one step at a time when disengaging from sponsors of terrorists, and that should start with Saudi Arabia. If we suddenly cut off all trade with all known sponsors of terrorism our economy would be f***ed.
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We'd survive.
 
What makes this an act of terrorism that is described by the media and one that is your standard murder/ hostage situation?
 

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What do people think about the fact that Saudi Arabia - one of the biggest Islamic countries in the world is commonly blamed for supporting and financing these terrorists.. Yet apparently mainstream Islam has nothing to do terrorism.. So are we saying Saudi Arabia of approximately 31 million people - where the religion was created - the nation that includes Mecca does not represent mainstream Islam?
 
The Emu said:
What do people think about the fact that Saudi Arabia - one of the biggest Islamic countries in the world is commonly blamed for supporting and financing these terrorists.. Yet apparently mainstream Islam has nothing to do terrorism.. So are we saying Saudi Arabia of approximately 31 million people - where the religion was created - the nation that includes Mecca does not represent mainstream Islam?
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The Middle East has been in tribal conflicts for thousands of years and it will continue with or without the West. Westerners like to think it's about them, what we've done or haven't done, as if we have any real control over it but we're just bit players. Bystanders making money selling arms and taking on collateral damage that many of us think of as payback for war on Iraq and meddling in middle eastern affairs. (I marched against war on Iraq btw) What I think we're seeing is a battle for the soul of the Muslim world, between Sunni and Shia the two major denominations of Islam and the small ones who seem to shift alliances when convenient. Like the Catholics versus the Protestants, with scimitars and brand new Toyotas. Let's hope they don't go nuclear.
 
shellyg said:
The Middle East has been in tribal conflicts for thousands of years and it will continue with or without the West. Westerners like to think it's about them, what we've done or haven't done, as if we have any real control over it but we're just bit players. Bystanders making money selling arms and taking on collateral damage that many of us think of as payback for war on Iraq and meddling in middle eastern affairs. (I marched against war on Iraq btw) What I think we're seeing is a battle for the soul of the Muslim world, between Sunni and Shia the two major denominations of Islam and the small ones who seem to shift alliances when convenient. Like the Catholics versus the Protestants, with scimitars and brand new Toyotas. Let's hope they don't go nuclear.
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I agree with you - problem is many ignorant folks in this thread claim that the issue is not with mainstream Islam but in fact the West.. Which goes back to my point about Saudi Arabia the birthplace of Islam financing and promoting terrorism - yet apparently mainstream Islam and Terrorism are worlds apart? Which is it?
 
The Emu said:
I agree with you - problem is many ignorant folks in this thread claim that the issue is not with mainstream Islam but in fact the West.. Which goes back to my point about Saudi Arabia the birthplace of Islam financing and promoting terrorism - yet apparently mainstream Islam and Terrorism are worlds apart? Which is it?
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Traditional Islam in the West is compatible, kept in the private sphere where I personally think all religion should be regardless of it's stripe. Of course terrorism has something to do with it ... when it's politicized and weaponized and Islamism is not compatible. I try to follow Maajid Nawaz for tips on how to avoid the mines trying to have a conversation about it.
 
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The Emu said:
I agree with you - problem is many ignorant folks in this thread claim that the issue is not with mainstream Islam but in fact the West.. Which goes back to my point about Saudi Arabia the birthplace of Islam financing and promoting terrorism - yet apparently mainstream Islam and Terrorism are worlds apart? Which is it?
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Your ignorance is showing. Saudi Arabia was formed in 1932, and is named after the family which rules the country. Why does Saudi sponsor terrorism? cause it benefits them. Wahaabi Islam is the official ideology of the Monarchy in Saudi Arabia.

The alliance between followers of ibn Abd al-Wahhab and Muhammad bin Saud's successors (the House of Saud) proved to be a durable one. The House of Saud continued to maintain its politico-religious alliance with the Wahhabi sect through the waxing and waning of its own political fortunes over the next 150 years, through to its eventual proclamation of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in 1932, and then afterwards, on into modern times. Today Ibn Abd Al-Wahhab's teachings are the official, state-sponsored form of Sunni Islam[3][21] in Saudi Arabia.[22] With the help of funding from Saudi petroleum exports[23] (and other factors[24]), the movement underwent "explosive growth" beginning in the 1970s and now has worldwide influence.[3] The US State Department has estimated that over the past four decades the capital Riyadh has invested more than $10bn (£6bn) into charitable foundations in an attempt to replace mainstream Sunni Islam with the harsh intolerance of its Wahhabism.[25]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism


So how is Saudi Arabia traditional Islam and not Wahaabism?

More reading for you to do.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-do...mic-terrorism-on-behalf-of-washington/5398408

Sunni vs Shia clash is man-made. There is nothing in Islam which suggests anything like that, infact unlike the Bible, the Quran doesn't have several versions. Like i mentioned to you before and i will tell you again, while homosexuality is considered as a sin there is no punishment prescribed in the Quran for homosexuality, its man made again. Similarly there is no mention of any punishment for apostasy in Islam, its the bloody Hadiths that got into it later on, much later after the death of Mohammed. Infact the Quran states “Let him who will believe and let him who will disbelieve (18:29)

The problem is politicising religion shelly mentioned above. Its true for every religion, political Islam is terrible ofcourse.
 
Total Power said:
So how is Saudi Arabia traditional Islam and not Wahaabism?
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******* LOL !!! Here is a guy now saying that Saudi Arabia the country where Islam was created which has 31 million people and imposes Sharia law is not a representation of 'true' Islam... ******* LOL !! Can you tell me if Iran represents the 'real' Islam? According to you the only true Islamists are those who watch pr0n, drink alcohol and live next door to you in sunny Australia... ******* lol
 
The Emu said:
******* LOL !!! Here is a guy now saying that Saudi Arabia the country where Islam was created which has 31 million people and imposes Sharia law is not a representation of 'true' Islam... ******* LOL !! Can you tell me if Iran represents the 'real' Islam? According to you the only true Islamists are those who watch pr0n, drink alcohol and live next door to you in sunny Australia... ******* lol
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Can you read? there was no Saudi Arabia, till 1932. Saudi Arabia got nothing to do with the birth place to Islam.

I gave you several sources above but you are going to stick to your rhetoric and being a bigot. The official religion of Saudi is WAHABBISM, it falls under sunni islam and its one of the tens of different schools of sunni islam. Its NOT traditional islam, wahaabism was formed a couple of hundred years ago only.

Mohammed was born in Arabia not SAUDI arabia, Saudi Arabia is a different country alltogether, its not the country which gave birth to Islam.

Iran is Shia, and has been a tolerant nation till the Islamic revolution in 1979.

You are a hopeless bigot, go join relcaim australia , it suits you.
 
Total Power said:
Can you read? there was no Saudi Arabia, till 1932. Saudi Arabia got nothing to do with the birth place to Islam.

I gave you several sources above but you are going to stick to your rhetoric and being a bigot. The official religion of Saudi is WAHABBISM, it falls under sunni islam and its one of the tens of different schools of sunni islam. Its NOT traditional islam, wahaabism was formed a couple of hundred years ago only.

Mohammed was born in Arabia not SAUDI arabia, Saudi Arabia is a different country alltogether, its not the country which gave birth to Islam.

Iran is Shia, and has been a tolerant nation till the Islamic revolution in 1979.

You are a hopeless bigot, go join relcaim australia , it suits you.
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Hahaha you are ******* hilarious.. Trying to tell everyone Saudi Arabia and Iran don't represent true Islam.. The truth is you can't convince your pea brain that Islam is in fact radical by nature so you have to pick and choose who you think represents it. Tell me who represents your idea of Islam - your 'true' Islam. Because I can guarantee if you ask a muslim on the street if Saudi Arabia and Iran are Islamic countries there answers will be a big fat YES. You are also telling me all these people are travelling for the Haj to a country that in fact is not Islamic? HAHHAHAHA !!
 
The Emu said:
Hahaha you are ******* hilarious.. Trying to tell everyone Saudi Arabia and Iran don't represent true Islam.. The truth is you can't convince your pea brain that Islam is in fact radical by nature so you have to pick and choose who you think represents it. Tell me who represents your idea of Islam - your 'true' Islam. Because I can guarantee if you ask a muslim on the street if Saudi Arabia and Iran are Islamic countries there answers will be a big fat YES. You are also telling me all these people are travelling for the Haj to a country that in fact is not Islamic? HAHHAHAHA !!
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Holy s**t you are thicker than i thought. So where is the birth place of Christianity? and what percentage of christians live in that "geographical area"?

Who is arguing Saudi Arabia is not muslim? you are not even attempting to read or have basic understanding of what i am trying to say. Wahaabism is a Sunni hardline version of Islam. Wahaabism didnt exist till a couple of hundred years ago, its the hardcore literal interpretation of the Quran.

Wahaabism is not a traditional Islamic school, no other muslim other than wahabbists would agree.

Iran is warning us about saudi arabia for a long time, go google your ignorance.

I am asking for a basic understanding from you, you dont even have to try much.
 
Who represents 'true' Islam Total Power - please educate us. So far it seems anyone that has any hardline beliefs suddenly becomes the fake Islam - yet everywhere I look in the middle east it seems countries follow the fake Islam. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen - the list can go on and on... According to our resident genius Total Power these countries are fake muslims because they preach a version of Islam that is hardline !! Done with you bro - you are delusional.
 
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