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Am I the only one who sees a big resemblence between Brock Mclean and Adam Bentick, not only the number! He is very good in close,lays lots of tackles and does run all day. Yet his footwork and disposal just doesnt seem to cut it. Was dissapointed in him today, but not writing him off, if his footskills improve, he will really release some of our midfielders
 
Guys FFS remember he played for MELBOURNE. They didn't touch the ball for the last 2 years he was there. He is adjusting to a completely different game plan. One were we actually get the ball. He will be fine, just give him some time to adjust to a decent team.
 
Gee I thought Brock was alot better than last week. Sure, he butchered a couple of kicks, but seriously, he wasn't bought to the club for his leg speed. He was bought to the club so he could win the hard ball, and get it out to the likes of Judd, Gibbs, Murphy & Simpson.

Guys like Hadley and McLean are in the team to win the hard ball.
 
Brock's strength has never been his kicking or his pace. His strengths have always been his ability to get to the bottom of a pack, work his way through traffic and create play by firing out handballs to outside players.

Give the midfield chance to have a few more games to gel and then we will see how he goes. I really don't think you can pass judgement after just two practice games.
 

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Very harsh for a player who has played 2 games of footy at our club...

I can remember plenty of people slagging off at Hadley last year as well and yet before he got injured at the end of the season, he was our most important midfielder because he was getting it out to our runners...!

No doubt he is rusty, nothing more than that...
 
Had 24 disposals, yes he did butcher it at times, but also did some nice things in close
 
Worst kick in the AFL for mine ...

We gave up pick 11 for him ... Cue Benny Hill Music here ... 24 of mostly awful and ineffective disposals ...

No way is he best 22 material.
 
celtic_pride said:
Worst kick in the AFL for mine ...

We gave up pick 11 for him ... Cue Benny Hill Music here ... 24 of mostly awful and ineffective disposals ...

No way is he best 22 material.
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You might want to listen to Rattens post match interview...

I think you will find the coach has a different opinion...
 
celtic_pride said:
Worst kick in the AFL for mine ...

We gave up pick 11 for him ... Cue Benny Hill Music here ... 24 of mostly awful and ineffective disposals ...

No way is he best 22 material.
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You are officially not a carlton supporter. How can you write off someone off two NAB cup games, is it absolutely impossible for you to be constructive?!?
 
I'd love to know how many of the posters defending Brock actually saw today's performance. I'm not writing him off just yet, but he has a long way to go to make it into our best 22. The good news from today is that Hadley is looking fit and playing well. Brock will have to work very hard to take his place in the side.

I remember reading that we were after another Melbourne player (Rivers or Miller?) but were told that they were unavailable but Brock was. Maybe the lesson to be learned is that we shouldn't give up first round draft picks for players who opposition teams are offering; we either get our man or keep our picks.
 
BlueYoss said:
I'd love to know how many of the posters defending Brock actually saw today's performance. I'm not writing him off just yet, but he has a long way to go to make it into our best 22. The good news from today is that Hadley is looking fit and playing well. Brock will have to work very hard to take his place in the side.

I remember reading that we were after another Melbourne player (Rivers or Miller?) but were told that they were unavailable but Brock was. Maybe the lesson to be learned is that we shouldn't give up first round draft picks for players who opposition teams are offering; we either get our man or keep our picks.
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I was there, and I thought he did pretty well. Yes he butchered the ball a couple of times, but so did JR, and so did Steven Browne, and I even think Judd the turned the ball over once or twice. The breeze was a bit tricky at Visy Park today, but I still thought he did ok.

What he does is complement the runners like Judd, Gibbs, etc, etc, meaning they don't have to win the hard ball, and we can use guys like Hadley and Brock for this role. Yes he has his limitations, but what I saw today was a vast improvement on the game last week.
 
juddsentant517 said:
You are officially not a carlton supporter. How can you write off someone off two NAB cup games, is it absolutely impossible for you to be constructive?!?
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Did you watch the game today sir ???

I call it as i see it, the bloke's kicking is deplorable, and I can't see it getting any better, and I don't care if it's pre-season/NAB Cup (where you expect players to be rusty) the fact we gave up pick 11 for a player with such limiited 'foot/kicking' skills' is deplorable.

Every time he gets the ball in his hands I feel like looking away ...
We could have gotten a decent kid with that pick ... that's the biggest sting of them all (I wouldn't have minded so much if we gave up a 2nd or 3rd rnd pick for Mclean)
 
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Did you watch the game today sir ???
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I did CP.

I actually think you are wrong on your assesment of Brock today, but you're entitled to your opinion. Brocks best work is in close, and he had quite a few tackles in the 1st half, and really did provide some real grunt work close in.
 

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celtic_pride said:
Did you watch the game today sir ???

I call it as i see it, the bloke's kicking is deplorable, and I can't see it getting any better, and I don't care if it's pre-season/NAB Cup (where you expect players to be rusty) the fact we gave up pick 11 for a player with such limiited 'foot/kicking' skills' is deplorable.

Every time he gets the ball in his hands I feel like looking away ...
We could have gotten a decent kid with that pick ... that's the biggest sting of them all (I wouldn't have minded so much if we gave up a 2nd or 3rd rnd pick for Mclean)
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Actually "sir". I was sitting in bay 11, right in the middle, and could see the whole ground. Yes, i thought he was average. But as in my last post, you don't have to be completly negative, calling him the worst kick you have ever seen, helps noone, and can make you look very silly. He is incredible good in and under, which i did notice. And he is rusty. But he will come good, mark my words. Dont judge so harshly,as going by your reputation, once he does come good, you will "turncoat" back on the Mclean bandwagon
 
juddsentant517 said:
Actually "sir". I was sitting in bay 11, right in the middle, and could see the whole ground. Yes, i thought he was average. But as in my last post, you don't have to be completly negative, calling him the worst kick you have ever seen, helps noone, and can make you look very silly. He is incredible good in and under, which i did notice. And he is rusty. But he will come good, mark my words. Dont judge so harshly,as going by your reputation, once he does come good, you will "turncoat" back on the Mclean bandwagon
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What do you mean? He didn't get 30 effective disposals, he's a useless pickup! ;)
 
juddsentant517 said:
Actually "sir". I was sitting in bay 11, right in the middle, and could see the whole ground. Yes, i thought he was average. But as in my last post, you don't have to be completly negative, calling him the worst kick you have ever seen, helps noone, and can make you look very silly. He is incredible good in and under, which i did notice. And he is rusty. But he will come good, mark my words. Dont judge so harshly,as going by your reputation, once he does come good, you will "turncoat" back on the Mclean bandwagon
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You don't give up first rnd draft picks (esp with the draft soon to be raided by the expansion clubs) for players of limiited kicking range and ability RE Brock Mclean

As someone else said, he is only a minor upgrade on Bentick.

Is Mclean the type of player that really wins games of footy for your club ???
With regards to disposal, give me quality, over quantity any day of the week.
You are probably right in saying I'm being too hard on Mclean, but honestly, how does this trade help Carlton both in the short and long term ???
 
celtic_pride said:
Did you watch the game today sir ???

I call it as i see it, the bloke's kicking is deplorable, and I can't see it getting any better, and I don't care if it's pre-season/NAB Cup (where you expect players to be rusty) the fact we gave up pick 11 for a player with such limiited 'foot/kicking' skills' is deplorable.

Every time he gets the ball in his hands I feel like looking away ...
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You noticed this inbetween abusing one of Brisbane's female trainers and picking a fight with a guy in the crowd?

You're a truly wonderful and observant Carlton supporter.
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We could have gotten a decent kid with that pick ... that's the biggest sting of them all (I wouldn't have minded so much if we gave up a 2nd or 3rd rnd pick for Mclean)
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Just like you said you wanted to trade JR for a second or third round pick in the 2009 draft...

If anyone slags Setanta or Stevens, you'll turn them on them.
 
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celtic_pride said:
You don't give up first rnd draft picks (esp with the draft soon to be raided by the expansion clubs) for players of limiited kicking range and ability RE Brock Mclean

As someone else said, he is only a minor upgrade on Bentick.

Is Mclean the type of player that really wins games of footy for your club ???
With regards to disposal, give me quality, over quantity any day of the week.
You are probably right in saying I'm being too hard on Mclean, but honestly, how does this trade help Carlton both in the short and long term ???
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It means that guys like Judd, Murphy and Gibbs don't have to be at the bottom of the packs like they have been in recent years, and he would have also been bought to the club had Hadley not come up again this year.

And, who's to say that the pick we would have taken at #11 will turn out better than what we got with Brock. We have that many kids on our list, it wasn't such a bad idea to get someone, who not only wins his own ball, but works hard the other way, who can have an impact right away.
 
celtic_pride said:
You don't give up first rnd draft picks (esp with the draft soon to be raided by the expansion clubs) for players of limiited kicking range and ability RE Brock Mclean

As someone else said, he is only a minor upgrade on Bentick.

Is Mclean the type of player that really wins games of footy for your club ???
With regards to disposal, give me quality, over quantity any day of the week.
You are probably right in saying I'm being too hard on Mclean, but honestly, how does this trade help Carlton both in the short and long term ???
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You know what Turncoat pride, your right. how dare the Carlton board trade pick 11, for a player, who can't even get BOG in a challenge game and a NAB cup game. SACK THE BOARD, SACK THE COACH, HELL SACK THE PLAYERS
 
HBF said:
Yes he has his limitations, but what I saw today was a vast improvement on the game last week.
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Vast improvement on last week still far from good enough to be in our best 22 or warrant a first round draft pick.

He has his limitations, no doubt, time to start playing within them ie. don't kick across the ground inside defensive 50 if you can't kick!
 
juddsentant517 said:
You know what Turncoat pride, your right. how dare the Carlton board trade pick 11, for a player, who can't even get BOG in a challenge game and a NAB cup game. SACK THE BOARD, SACK THE COACH, HELL SACK THE PLAYERS
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And people thought I overreacted ??? :eek:
 
juddsentant517 said:
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I don't understand it. What did you benefit from just completly bagging this bloke after two NAB cup games. You know that you most proba bly will end up looking like a moron. Why?
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Why are you singling me out for ??? There are plenty of other Carlton fans online (not just on Bigfooty) who thought he's played rubbish in his first two games ???

From where I watched the game, every kick I saw of his was a scrubber, he is a good in and under player, but all the good work he did in the guts today was tarnished by his woeful kicking/disposal.
 
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