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Buckley stands down!
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SEN reported that Buckley will stand down as captain and would like to hand over to the General, James Clement.
I thought it was inevitable as to Bucks standing down at the end of 2005. Jimmy a good replacement aswell.
I thought it was inevitable as to Bucks standing down at the end of 2005. Jimmy a good replacement aswell.
In McGuire tradition, a seamless transition. Good move, Bucks.
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bobby_diggy
Senior List
Agreed, it is a good move. Allow Clement to be captain for a few seasons until Fraser or one of our young guns is able to move into the role.
Jabso
Brownlow Medallist
Will Clement be a automatic choice, is it decided or did Buckley nominate Clement? I have a feeling we won't know until the pre-season or later. My pick would be Clement the captain with Rocca and Fraser VCs and perhaps H.Shaw or Didak as the Deputy VC (or 3rd VC).
Strachuniee
Team Captain
Big shoes to fill for jimmy, but im sure that he is the best choice and will be a good option
I think the no.1 guernsey should be bought in. Buckley, who wore the 5 during his career as captain, has now stepped down, and a number change won't interfere at all I don't think. I think one of the big reasons why it wasn't done when Eddie mentioned it, was the fact that the no.5 had become a big part of the club because of Buckley.
Jabso
Brownlow Medallist
I think the #1 jumper type thing shouldn't be bought back. Each player should be able to make their own number theirs. If we bring that back we may as well bring back #2 can be for the vice captain as well. To be honest I wouldn't be fussed either way. I'd like some sort of on-field recognition for all captains in the AFL though. Like a C on the jumper or some sort of enscription or even a captains armband ala soccer?
its been a pleasure watching him lead our side for years. all i want for bucks is for us to get him some success but i think that will be very unlikely. hopefully he can gain success with the club through a coaching gig in a few years
also i think the next captain after jimmy will be josh fraser.
either way hes been an all time great
also i think the next captain after jimmy will be josh fraser.
either way hes been an all time great
I’m not a fan of Buckley stepping down. He’s the best captain so I’d prefer to see him lead until he retires unless he or the club don’t think he can play n18 games in a season. Having said that, clement will make a good captain. I’m a bit worried after that though. We are not strong in leadership after Clement. I how Heath Shaw develops quickly and Eddie sends him to public speaking courses. I love how he plays and the fact he is a Shaw. Just needs to work on speaking and obviously needs a mot more maturity.
As for Bucks, all I can say is it’s been great to see him develop into a real leader. His leadership of our club in the week of Bob Rose’s death spoke volumes for how far he’s come.
As for Bucks, all I can say is it’s been great to see him develop into a real leader. His leadership of our club in the week of Bob Rose’s death spoke volumes for how far he’s come.
MarkT said:
Dont worry, somebody will crop up. By the time Clement retires in four years we'll have plenty to choose from, including Travis Cloke, Heath Shaw, Dane Swan, Ben Johnson, and Dale Thomas. Josh Fraser wont be too old either.
MarkT said:
The cupboard does look a little bare after Clement but I think that in the next few years Fraser will really step up and take on a much more prominent leadership role. Everytime I've heard him speak in public and/or the media he is an excellent performer, already seems to have a lot of maturity and offers some interesting insights into the game.
The only question over Fraser is probably his on-field leadership but I think this will develop as he continues to improve as a player over the next couple of years. What he's 25(?) or so now, IMO in my opinion in the next couple of years Fraser will become one of the premier big men in the competition, which will seal his fate as the next captain of Collingwood.
I have a problem with a 2 meter tall captain who is weak overhead and a bit timid. Fraser may have the smarts but he wouldn’t be at all inspiring. Swan might be a possibility. Travis Cloke may be as well but at this point he has to prove he will be good enough to be a front line player yet. Johnson in some ways is an old fashioned Collingwood captain but he gets into a bit of trouble and still hasn’t strung together a really consistent season. Thomas plays like a guy I want as captain. Early days yet but he was the player that most impressed me in the final. As I said earlier, Heath is a man I really hope kicks on and becomes a captain of Collingwood but at this point he has only just become a first 22 player.Timmy from Thomastown said:
I think a lack of leadership outside of the main leaders is one of our problems. That's ironic given our character/good bloke policy.
Jabso
Brownlow Medallist
I think leadership is one of the few problems we don't have. The only problem is that the captains that stand out only have a few years left and the young players who are captain material haven't established themselves yet. Clement and even Rocca have a good 3 years left at the least (Clement about 4 years), by then Fraser could of put together a few good seasons, Shaw could be anything by then, Thomas is there, Maxwell could of taken his game up a level or two, even Didak could emerge.
Can Fraser be inpsiring? Again this is something you don't know unless you are a player at the club.
What I do hope is they don't announce the captain until they complete a full pre-season or at least after the Arizona trip.
Can Fraser be inpsiring? Again this is something you don't know unless you are a player at the club.
What I do hope is they don't announce the captain until they complete a full pre-season or at least after the Arizona trip.
MarkT said:
You're inventing problems that may or may not occur five years down the track. We dont have a leadership problem now and we never really have. Apart from those I named, theres also Maxwell, Didak and even possibly John Anthony or Scott Pendlebury who show the right leadership characteristics. The Captain five years down the track may be in next years draft or trade period!!
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jabso said:
On the other hand, if Clement wins a third Copeland on the trot this year, you may want to announce it on that very night. Seamless; he has earnt the mantle with 3 gongs; he goes on to lead on the track in the preseason and earns the team's backing/support/respect; and that all-important marketing department has time to re-badge everything from the youngsters' Buckley Brigade to the bumper stickers with something that has an alliteration with "Clement". Captain Clement?
Of course if he isn't going to win, or if Pebbles is the favoured choice, then indeed we should wait. Hang the marketing dept; stickers with Pebbles and Bam Bam aren't hard to rip off at the last minute.
BTW - after this year I hope it isn't Pebbles - he suffers from the same inconsistency and track absence that Bucks spoke of in resigning the job himself. If Rocca gets back pre-season, he will again be our MVP when out there next year, but MVP is not the same as reliable general and front person.
If captain, I hope MM will occaisonally play Clement in that maverick ruck-rover role (as in covering Hird etc), not now to cover others but offensively to get him into the onball play a bit more - where his General's voice will be heard by more of the team [alternatively hope that Josh and Pebs are VCs and told to bellow / cajole in the mid and forward, because no one is gonna hear the General from deep back on the G. I can hardly there hear my wife.....
Strachuniee
Team Captain
eddy said that no decision has been made about the captaincy and that at this stage buckley's in good steed to captain next year. Cant see this occuring as Bucks has already detached himself from the captaincy.
I am talking about now. You need a number of leader types and ours is too small IMO. You can see it when we are losing. We don’t have a lot of string personalities and a few of the ones we do have aren’t that bright. We are a damn site better off than a club like Geelong but a long way behind a club like Brisbane at their peak. They had leaders all over the ground and in numbers. We have Buckley, Burns and to an extent Licuria on the ball. We have Clement down back. We have Rocca up forward. That’s about half what I’d like. After that we have your hopefuls for the future.Timmy from Thomastown said:
Strachuniee
Team Captain
I think we have a suffucient amount of leaders who can lead off the field. However, when games are up for grabs or we need a spark, we lack on field leaders to change the game. Clement, Buckley and Didak (on behalf of this years performance) are the too few that step up.
Jabso
Brownlow Medallist
The Shaw bros are strong voices, Maxwell is too. Holland seems to keep the chatter up a fair bit. Again there are others that we may not know about. Unless you are in the inner sanctum you don't know who is a leader. I have the feeling Tarrant, although he may not be the best off-field leader, is a pretty good on-field leader, he will protect the young players alot and encourages alot of teammates, especially the younger blokes.
As far as I can see it we have very few problems in terms of leadership in terms of onfield leaders and people who can take up the captaincy.
As far as I can see it we have very few problems in terms of leadership in terms of onfield leaders and people who can take up the captaincy.