Opinion Building Nicely

[cairo tiger]

Thought it would be worth discussing this side with the back to back premiers side that played yesterday and see how we stack up.

Backs: Steve Morris 185cm 83kg 64 games 25 years old David Astbury 195cm 96kg 37 games 23 years old Troy Chaplin 195cm 99kg 185 games 28 years old

Half Backs: Dylan Grimes 193cm 88kg 45 games 23 years old Alex Rance 194cm 96kg 107 games 24 years old Bachar Houli 180cm 86kg 114 games 26 years old

Centres: Brandon Ellis 181cm 81kg 65 games 21 years old Nick Vlastuin 187cm 86kg 38 games 20 years old Reece Conca 185cm 83kg 65 games 22 years old

Half Forwards: Dustin Martin 187cm 89kg 108 games 23 years old Ben Griffiths 200cm 104kg 35 games 23 years old Brett Deledio 188cm 88kg 214 games 27 years old

Forwards: Shane Edwards 182cm 83kg 152 games 25 years old Jack Riewoldt 195cm 95kg 157 games 25 years old Sam Lloyd 182cm 84kg 8 games 24 years old

Rucks: Ivan Maric 200cm 102kg 132 games 28 years old Trent Cotchin 185cm 85kg 131 games 24 years old Anthony Miles 179cm 78kg 23 games 22 years old

Bench: Ben Lennon 190cm 82kg 7 games 19 years old Ricky Petterd 185cm 85kg 83 games 26 years old Tyrone Vickery 200cm 97kg 87 games 24 years old Nathan Gordon 188cm 86kg 14 games 24 years old

Averages
Age: 23.9 years old
Games: 85 games
Weight: 88.45kg
Height: 188.4cm

Hawthorn:
Back: Josh Gibson 189cm 94kg 165 games 30 years old Brian Lake 195cm 100kg 229 games 32 years old Grant Birchall 193cm 91kg 194 games 26 years old

HB: Sam Mitchell 179cm 83kg 261 games 31 years old Ben Stratton 189cm 89kg 92 games 25 years old Luke Hodge 185cm 90kg 250 games 30 years old

C: Brad Hill 180cm 78kg 51 games 21 years old Will Langford 187cm 83kg 20 games 22 years old Issac Smith 188cm 82kg 86 games 25 years old

HF: Luke Bruest 184cm 84kg 91 games 23 years old Jack Gunston 193cm 84kg 79 games 23 years old Jordan Lewis 186cm 88kg 224 games 28 years old

F: Ben McEvoy 200cm 103kg 104 games 25 years old Jarryd Roughead 193cm 100kg 207 games 27 years old Paul Puopolo 173cm 76kg 88 games 26 years old

R: David Hale 201cm 102kg 219 games 30 years old Liam Shiels 183cm 84kg 102 games 23 years old Shaun Burgoyne 186cm 89kg 269 games 32 years old

INT: Matt Spangher 195cm 96kg 51 games 27 years old Taylor Duryea 179cm 80kg 41 games 23 years old Matt Suckling 187cm 86kg 77 games 26 years old Cyril Rioli 177cm 80kg 133 games 25 years old

Averages:
Age: 26 years 10 months
Games: 118.3
Weight: 88.3
Height: 187.4cm

The Differences statistically are:
Hawthorn are on average 3 years older
Hawthorn have 33 games more per player experience.
Hawthorn have 9 players with 150+ games, Richmond have 4
Hawthorn have 3 players with 100-150 games, Richmond have 5
Hawthorn have 8 players with 51-99 games, Richmond have 5
Hawthorn have 2 players with >50 games, Richmond have 8

The other difference between the 2 sides is the speed factor. Hawthorn have Smith Hill Rioli Puopolo Bruest & Shiel who all have a bit of pace about them, we have Deledio Houli Morris & Edwards.

This is why I started this thread, because I do believe that we're heading in the right direction and that we are building nicely towards some real success, but i'd not just going to happen. As good as Hawthorn have been it's only really the last 4 years that they have become the dominant side they currently are. In their first 6 seasons under Clarkson they played in 3 finals series, yes they managed to win a flag, but they weren't the quality of side that they are now. What they were able to do was cash in on Geelong being unable to put them away, but that's not what I'm here to talk about.

What I am here to discuss is that we're a side that is building nicely towards ultimate success. Take a look at the 22 I named for Richmond, not a single 30 year old in the group. Maric and Chaplin will be 29 next year but that is it. Deledio turns 28, but given his ability to stay healthy and uninjured he is a young 28 and still have a good 5+ years of quality footy left in him. The rest of the side for the most part is still under 25, by my count 17 of them will be 25 or younger in 2015. That gives us a great foundation to build on and I believe we will in the next 6-8 weeks as trade period and the draft come and go.

That being said, I'm going to put it out there now, we're not going to be a genuine Grand Final threat in 2015, I hope we can be a side that pushes into the 2nd/3rd week of finals and maybe just maybe do a Hawthorn of 08 and cash in on a side slipping, but for mine I reckon we'll be around the top 6-12 sides still as we again look to fine tune the game plan and develop the likes of Vlastuin Lennon Lloyd Gordon Miles Griffiths Astbury into solid week to week contributors. For it won't be until the likes of them can perform week after week that we'll be that genuine threat. To put it another way, think of them as our Hill Smith Puopolo Stratton Spangher Langford Duryea types.

Hawhtorn have better players than us, and have been coached better

 

[Harmichael]

Hawhtorn have better players than us, and have been coached better

These are but trifling matters in the RT's world....

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Hawthorn are a better side because regardless of the situation their players keep competing and their fringe players are true competitors . We are shocking if you take out one of our top 3/4 , whilst we have loads of soft ***** .
We need a hard arsed no shit summer where a few blokes are given some home truths.
Let's not forget the importance of the line in the sand game .

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Hawthorn are a better side because regardless of the situation their players keep competing and their fringe players are true competitors . We are shocking if you take out one of our top 3/4 , whilst we have loads of soft ***** .
We need a hard arsed no shit summer where a few blokes are given some home truths.
Let's not forget the importance of the line in the sand game .

About 5 summers overdue...that's why we are erratic...

 

[_RT_]

Hawhtorn have better players than us, and have been coached better

These are but trifling matters in the RT's world....

Hawthorn didn't become the side that they are overnight, they slowly built their side, but lets not let that get in the way of a rant.

 

[TigerImposter]

HAWKS won a flag in 4 years and finished 5th in their third year. I Will take that as DH is now running into his sixth season and we still are a half baked footy side with flaws.
No Franklin and Roughy replies please.

 

[Harmichael]

LMAO - one sentence posts are apparently "rants"....

 

[_RT_]

LMAO - one sentence posts are apparently "rants"....

You don't need to waffle on for half a page to be ranting.

 

[bananatigz]

B: Grimes, Astbury, Chaplin
HB: Houli, Rance, ____
C: Ellis, Cotchin, ____
HF: Deledio, Vickery, Edwards
F: Martin, Reiwoldt, ____
R: Maric, Miles, ____
I: Conca, Vlastuin, Griffiths, Lennon

Thats where i see us in terms of having the components of a top 4 quality side. Need a rebounding half back to slot alongside Houli, a quality outside and inside mid, and a small forward. There are still good players outside those named here on our list, but they should just be the depth we need to be a serious team in this competition. If we can nail this draft I think we can go into 2016 with the goal of having a real crack, especially if we are doing what we all hope and are after a big fish in next years free agency/trade period.

B: Grimes, Astbury, Chaplin
HB: Houli, Rance, *2nd Round 2014 (Glenn?)*
C: Ellis, Cotchin, *1st Round 2014 (Pickett?)*
HF: Deledio, Vickery, Edwards
F: Martin, Reiwoldt, *3rd Round 2014 (McLean?)*
R: Maric, Miles, *2015 FA (Dangerfield?)*
I: Conca, Vlastuin, Griffiths, Lennon

Small/Med Defenders: Dea, Batchelor, Newman, Morris
Tall defenders: Elton
Inside midfielders: Thomas, Arnot
Outside midfielders: O'Hanlon, Foley, Grigg, McIntosh
Small/Med forwards: McDonough, Lloyd, Gordon, Petterd, Knights
Tall Forwards: McBean
Rucks: Hampson, Soldo

Need to rookie a KPF, KPD and mids mids mids

I don't think we are that far off, building nicely if you will, and 2 good years here with drafting/trading/FA could really set us up for a tilt in the next 3 years or so.