Vic Bushfire Info

[Aussiekate]

I've been watching this thread over the last couple of days and want to throw in my two cents worth.

Primarily, condolences to all of you who have lost friends and family. It's been heartbreaking to watch and hear of all the Australians affected by this tragedy. Nothing any of us say, can patch up the pain of losing someone in such circumstances.

In looking at the comments about donations and charity organisations. I think as long as you choose your chairty wisely, you can be assured that the most amount of funds will end up benefitting those most in need.

Yes we expect the Government to help.. and they are..and they will continue to do so for as long as these people need the assistance but...
some of you seem to think that by giving money to a charity - the fact they don't walk into these situations and present victims with blank cheques, means its not worth giving.?

Governments will probably provide the nuts n bolts of support. Money, shelter, centrelink payments, medical attention etc but the personal stuff, is usually down to volunteers.

Volunteers that are supported by their charity organisation, the government and you and me.

The charities we are all supporting provide the assitance to keep many other volunteers and support services going.

Red Cross and the Salvos for example will be providing a HUGE and ongoing network of volunteers for these people... counsellors, cooks, childcare, nurses etcetera and donations will go a long way to ensuring that these organisations workers are provided with the equipment, time and supplies to do their job. Not only this time, but for the next time something of this magnitude happens.

Keep in mind also that the Red Cross "We are independent of government and have no political, religious or cultural affiliation." Red Cross donations DO NOT go to the Government in any way shape or form. The Red Cross as an organisation, determines themselves where the money will be spent. (It is an organisation run with a board and council.)

Make a donation of as much as you can afford, give blood.

Put yourself in the shoes of the survivors and ask yourself how would you cope if you were told "Sorry your family died, there is only Government money handouts available to you, no tents, no food, no counsellors.. find your own way to somewhere else".

Be kind to each other and remember that we are all Australians and this could have happened anywhere.

 

[giantroo]

continue from here guys

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=13651699#post13651699

Part 2 of this thread

 

[Strike Swiftly]

Hasn't this thread gone downhill in the last 12 hours or so.

 

[OzBomber]

Why do we need part 2?

Btw, not looking good for Kinglake.

13 KINGLAKE COMPLEX KINGLAKE COMPLEX 10/02/2009 19:25:00 Other Going Large 79

http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/incidents/incident_summary.htm

 

[Oaksnaf]

Put yourself in the shoes of the survivors and ask yourself how would you cope if you were told "Sorry your family died, there is only Government money handouts available to you, no tents, no food, no counsellors.. find your own way to somewhere else".

Be kind to each other and remember that we are all Australians and this could have happened anywhere.

You and I will never comprehend what they are going through.

What is the word with this Saturday and the conditions. I remember hearing this morning that there are fears that if the fires are not in control by then, that they may become extensively out of hand once again.

 

[giantroo]

Why do we need part 2?

Btw, not looking good for Kinglake.

http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/incidents/incident_summary.htm

That's what mods have been doing for Bigfooty for a while now. It saves them time from looking in big threads. Admins want it like that.

 

[BomberGal]

This is not the thread to carry on like some sort of Grammar Police!

It's not about grammar police, tess. I, and it seems I'm not alone, am finding some of the posts next to indecipherable. The posts are coming from someone who's clearly very passionate about the issue and has a lot to say, and since he (?) is posting so much it would be very useful if he could actually make the posts easier to read. It's a long thread and I don't like having to stop and read his posts five times before they make sense. I've stopped reading them, which is a pity, because I'd really like to read what he has to say.

If I were the grammar police I'd just sit here and pick out the mistakes, but I'm trying to be nice about it. I didn't ask for a Pulitzer Prize winning piece of journalism, I asked for a bit of punctuation.

 

[red+black]

Why do we need part 2?

Supposedly a 1000 post limit to threads these days, although the Mod hasn't quite got it right this time.

 

[tess]

It's not about grammar police, tess. I, and it seems I'm not alone, am finding some of the posts next to indecipherable. The posts are coming from someone who's clearly very passionate about the issue and has a lot to say, and since he (?) is posting so much it would be very useful if he could actually make the posts easier to read. It's a long thread and I don't like having to stop and read his posts five times before they make sense. I've stopped reading them, which is a pity, because I'd really like to read what he has to say.

If I were the grammar police I'd just sit here and pick out the mistakes, but I'm trying to be nice about it. I didn't ask for a Pulitzer Prize winning piece of journalism, I asked for a bit of punctuation.

Let me rephrase.

This is the thread to put one self out a little and ignore the things that make posts hard to read and just get along for the sake of the dead injured and homeless.

If you really wanted to read what was said you wouldn't be so petty as to go nit picking.

 

[PHX]

Anyone know how severe this new fire is at Kinglake? Doesnt sound good at all with 79 fire-ies in attendance. Hopefully its just them deployed to completely attack the fire remaining and not one that has dramatically flared up.


Also, I'd think it's the mod of this boards decision when this gets closed and another opened (it doesnt have to be right on 1000), not someone who, forgive for being cynical of motive for it, wants to be seen as the big important new thread-maker of such an active thread.

 

[red+black]

Still waiting for a Mod to fix up these bushfire threads.

 

[BomberGal]

Let me rephrase.

This is the thread to put one self out a little and ignore the things that make posts hard to read and just get along for the sake of the dead injured and homeless.

If you really wanted to read what was said you wouldn't be so petty as to go nit picking.

I know. That's why I asked NICELY. It's not nit-picking when it's next to impossible to read it and understand it in one go. I want to read them. But I'm not going to anymore.

I'm not the only poster to have an issue with it. There is poor writing and there is terrible writing. Poor I could let go. But I only bothered asking because I actually want to be able to read his posts, and do it without getting annoyed at it sounding like it is coming from a 10 year old.

I'm not going to say anything else on this topic since it's so irrelevant to the topic at hand. Hawks Heroes can either attempt proper typing or understand that probably a lot of people are skipping his posts.

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

I've been watching this thread over the last couple of days and want to throw in my two cents worth.

Primarily, condolences to all of you who have lost friends and family. It's been heartbreaking to watch and hear of all the Australians affected by this tragedy. Nothing any of us say, can patch up the pain of losing someone in such circumstances.

In looking at the comments about donations and charity organisations. I think as long as you choose your chairty wisely, you can be assured that the most amount of funds will end up benefitting those most in need.

Yes we expect the Government to help.. and they are..and they will continue to do so for as long as these people need the assistance but...
some of you seem to think that by giving money to a charity - the fact they don't walk into these situations and present victims with blank cheques, means its not worth giving.?

Governments will probably provide the nuts n bolts of support. Money, shelter, centrelink payments, medical attention etc but the personal stuff, is usually down to volunteers.

Volunteers that are supported by their charity organisation, the government and you and me.

The charities we are all supporting provide the assitance to keep many other volunteers and support services going.

Red Cross and the Salvos for example will be providing a HUGE and ongoing network of volunteers for these people... counsellors, cooks, childcare, nurses etcetera and donations will go a long way to ensuring that these organisations workers are provided with the equipment, time and supplies to do their job. Not only this time, but for the next time something of this magnitude happens.

Keep in mind also that the Red Cross "We are independent of government and have no political, religious or cultural affiliation." Red Cross donations DO NOT go to the Government in any way shape or form. The Red Cross as an organisation, determines themselves where the money will be spent. (It is an organisation run with a board and council.)

Make a donation of as much as you can afford, give blood.

Put yourself in the shoes of the survivors and ask yourself how would you cope if you were told "Sorry your family died, there is only Government money handouts available to you, no tents, no food, no counsellors.. find your own way to somewhere else".

Be kind to each other and remember that we are all Australians and this could have happened anywhere.

well said !

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

not sure may be bunyip ?

healesville

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

bunyip

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

Warragul

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

some one on tt may have helped catch a fire bug yeah har !

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

 

[OneEyedHawk]

I've got heaps of photo's on my phone that I took from what was formerly my workplace in Kilmore/Wandong. Wish I knew how to post them.

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

healesville i heard need D and AA batteries anyone able to help them , they are where they do the movies in healesville main st next to coles

 

[red+black]

Calling all inattentive Mods.

Move the posts in excess of 1000 to the #2 thread, and lock this one.

It's not that difficult.

 

[Thegibbsgamble]

Re: Bush fires

THE Black Saturday bushfires are the worst to hit Victoria since the 1983 Ash Wednesday bushfires.
SOME RECENT FATAL BUSHFIRES IN AUSTRALIA

Feb 7, 2009 - Fourteen people confirmed killed and fears for up to 40 in bushfires across rural Victoria

Dec 30, 2007 - Blaze kills three truckers on a highway near Coolgardie in WA

Jan 2006 - Three deaths and multi-million-dollar stock and property losses in 10 days of bushfires in Victoria

Jan 11, 2005 - Nine lives lost in South Australian Eyre Peninsula bushfires

Dec 2003 - Two women die as they try to outrun flames near Tenterden, 350km south-east of Perth

Jan 18, 2003 - Four people die and almost 500 homes are razed in a massive firestorm in Canberra

Dec 2002 - Two men die and more than 20 homes lost in bushfires that spread from rural NSW to ring Sydney

Dec 2, 1998 - Bushfire claims five firefighters at Linton in Victoria

Dec 2, 1997 - Two die in bushfires at Lithgow in NSW

Jan 21, 1997 - Three people die and 33 homes destroyed in bushfires that ravaged the Dandenong Ranges on Melbourne's eastern outskirts

Jan 1994 - Four die, 200 properties lost, several hundred people injured as bushfires from rural NSW descend on Sydney

Feb 16, 1983 - Ash Wednesday bushfires in Victoria and South Australia claim 76 people

Feb 7, 1967 - Bushfires kill 59 people in southern Tasmania

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25023971-2862,00.html

That's a cool list. Shows that the current fires are not unprecedented. Just been some ohuwung hot weather and summer rains for years. And also enough time since the last big ones, for the predictions that global warming will make them more intense.

 

[Marcel Proust]

That's a cool list. Shows that the current fires are not unprecedented.

in regards to amount of country on fire, isnt this year the biggest?

 

[Thegibbsgamble]

in regards to amount of country on fire, isnt this year the biggest?

Yes

Thing is butt, it was always going to happen. There was nothing that could be done. They were hoping for the best, which is what's happening in the adelaide hills, getting breaks in weather and only small parts burn year by year. If the cudllee creek fire got the weather the east just got while burning, heat wave immeaditley following heatwave. heck... You've seen nothing yet

When they go up, and they will. Carnage on a scale...

The moons aligned and fire chiefs worse case scenario developed. Look at tsunami that hit fukushima. Something that was always going to happen. Nothing to do with global warming. This is to do with culture.

You can't say that indigenous land management would stop this. Look at kangaroo Island. Uninhabited until the 1800s. Designed to burn. Animals always come back. Dna studies of them confirm. There was a functioning ecosystem that from time to time fried. Lightning started this fire? Do the study on the flora on ki, what needs to be burnt to germinate.