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Winganeen said:
If we could trade Johnny Butcher to Richmond to upgrade our third round pick, I'd take it.

Ideally it would be Butcher + 3rd rounder for Richmonds 2nd rounder, but even an upgraded 3rd rounder would do it.
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Richmond? You must really hate him. Hawthorn is where we send our players to improve.





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John Butcher has been given more opportunity than most to cement a place on this list. He's hardly set the world on fire in the SANFL over the years. I would have liked to see him blossom as much as anyone and I hope he finds his way somewhere, somehow. I've seen people here blame anyone and everyone but Butcher for his situation. Sport is the ultimate meritocracy. Nobody sits around at selection and says "there's a player that's been beating the door down but we won't play him just because we don't like him". I'm sure John is honest enough to admit he's had his opportunity and then some. Blaming anyone else is a losers mentality. There's no free tickets to the big show.
 
johnnysix said:
John Butcher has been given more opportunity than most to cement a place on this list. He's hardly set the world on fire in the SANFL over the years. I would have liked to see him blossom as much as anyone and I hope he finds his way somewhere, somehow. I've seen people here blame anyone and everyone but Butcher for his situation. Sport is the ultimate meritocracy. Nobody sits around at selection and says "there's a player that's been beating the door down but we won't play him just because we don't like him". I'm sure John is honest enough to admit he's had his opportunity and then some. Blaming anyone else is a losers mentality. There's no free tickets to the big show.
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He's been fantastic in the SANFL this season, his kicking has improved and kicked 5 goals in the last 2 weeks, then gets dropped.

If only he got a REAL opportunity like Andrew Moore did who has played 1 good game out of 60.
 

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RossFC said:
He's been fantastic in the SANFL this season, his kicking has improved and kicked 5 goals in the last 2 weeks, then gets dropped.

If only he got a REAL opportunity like Andrew Moore did who has played 1 good game out of 60.
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He's been good at times, he's been ok at times, he's been deplorable at times. "Fantastic" is a bit of a stretch.
 
If five goals in three weeks isn't enough, we'd better never play developing talls. Ever. Or better yet, Justin Westhoff who is meant to have been playing forward these last few weeks, dhoooar gee 2 goals in three games. SPOT CEMENTED!

Drop ****ing butcher, that'll do it.
 
johnnysix said:
John Butcher has been given more opportunity than most to cement a place on this list. He's hardly set the world on fire in the SANFL over the years. I would have liked to see him blossom as much as anyone and I hope he finds his way somewhere, somehow. I've seen people here blame anyone and everyone but Butcher for his situation. Sport is the ultimate meritocracy. Nobody sits around at selection and says "there's a player that's been beating the door down but we won't play him just because we don't like him". I'm sure John is honest enough to admit he's had his opportunity and then some. Blaming anyone else is a losers mentality. There's no free tickets to the big show.
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Cam O'Shea - 79 games drafted a year later
Jake Neade - 50 games in half the time
Kane Mitchell - 35 games in half the time
Sam Gray - 31 games in half the time
Ben f@#king Jacobs - 26 games in two shitful seasons

Don't make me laugh.
 
finbarr said:
He's been good at times, he's been ok at times, he's been deplorable at times. "Fantastic" is a bit of a stretch.
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He's done the most to earn his spot out of anyone on this list. (Only Mitchell, even though his disposal is horrible, comes close)

Lobbe plays 1 good game and gets called up, Amon got rewarded for an average performance, A cooked Schulz did less than Butcher and got called up.
 
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Schulz was in the side before Butcher was, despite doing absolutely nothing to warrant a call up and having played almost no football in a year (let alone training). The treatment of Butcher has been nothing short of infuriatingly deplorable.

Hinkley be like "we'll pick people who earn their spot."

Picks a zombie from the walking dead.

He's a ****ing hypocrite and I have no faith in anything that comes out of his mouth.
 
Doctor Feel said:
Schulz was in the side before Butcher was, despite doing absolutely nothing to warrant a call up and having played almost no football in a year (let alone training). The treatment of Butcher has been nothing short of infuriatingly deplorable.

Hinkley be like "we'll pick people who earn their spot."

Picks a zombie from the walking dead.

He's a ******* hypocrite and I have no faith in anything that comes out of his mouth.
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What about O'Shea this week? He was hardly knocking down the door.

Next year he'll probably get his name on locker 13. Let that shit sink in. If that happens it'll be the first time I'll hope a Port player is infertile. I don't even want his daughters in our future Women's team.
 
O'shea played well on the weekend but the same old deficiencies were glaringly apparent, some of his turnovers were sickening. I have no idea what we expect to gain.
 
Doctor Feel said:
Schulz was in the side before Butcher was, despite doing absolutely nothing to warrant a call up and having played almost no football in a year (let alone training). The treatment of Butcher has been nothing short of infuriatingly deplorable.

Hinkley be like "we'll pick people who earn their spot."

Picks a zombie from the walking dead.

He's a ******* hypocrite and I have no faith in anything that comes out of his mouth.
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To add to this what chance did Butch have against Sydney?

Our coaching tactics were diabolical it was embaressing.
 
Doctor Feel said:
O'shea played well on the weekend but the same old deficiencies were glaringly apparent, some of his turnovers were sickening. I have no idea what we expect to gain.
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O'Shea playing O'Kay shouldn't cut it.

Butcher kicked 6.2 against Centrals and didn't get called up FFS.
 

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Pappagallo said:
O'Shea playing O'Kay shouldn't cut it.

Butcher kicked 6.2 against Centrals and didn't get called up FFS.
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Palmer had a rich vein of form for a month and we didn't pick him. Instead, we persisted with a 3 possession a game Jake Neade. Palmers form drops off, and we pick him.

YES WE KEN.
 
I don't understand this dropping of Butcher at all. He has had two chances, one he grabbed and OK it was the paddle-pop lions but he still got into the play and scored four goals. Then we played Sydney, everyone was beaten and there was little anyone could expect Butch to do. Our attack, if it could be called that, was so laughable that a forward having the ball at all was an achievement. I wouldn't blame him if he has no idea what is going on.
 
Pappagallo said:
Cam O'Shea - 79 games drafted a year later
Jake Neade - 50 games in half the time
Kane Mitchell - 35 games in half the time
Sam Gray - 31 games in half the time
Ben f@#king Jacobs - 26 games in two shitful seasons

Don't make me laugh.
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What you are conveniently forgetting is that Butcher has never finished higher than 17th in the Magpies best and fairest and has been outplayed by Salter, Daniel Stewart, Harvey, Bruggerman, Reynolds and anyone else we've tried up forward over the years.

Meanwhile, Kane Mitchell, Sam Gray, Andrew Moore, etc. are all in Magarey form when we bring them into the AFL team.

So that might explain why these guys get more opportunities. Because they actually work for them.
 
Pappagallo said:
What about O'Shea this week? He was hardly knocking down the door.

Next year he'll probably get his name on locker 13. Let that shit sink in. If that happens it'll be the first time I'll hope a Port player is infertile. I don't even want his daughters in our future Women's team.
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And for months you blamed me for being too negative ....

Well ****me
 
If Oshea is the watts match up I'll understand and it's ken still trying to make finals imo

If he isn't then I'll be confused
 

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Powerade 08 said:
What you are conveniently forgetting is that Butcher has never finished higher than 17th in the Magpies best and fairest and has been outplayed by Salter, Daniel Stewart, Harvey, Bruggerman, Reynolds and anyone else we've tried up forward over the years.

Meanwhile, Kane Mitchell, Sam Gray, Andrew Moore, etc. are all in Magarey form when we bring them into the AFL team.

So that might explain why these guys get more opportunities. Because they actually work for them.
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Exactly this. All of the players mentioned bar Sam Jacobs have shown far more consistency and flexibility. Unfortunately, when you're a forward, your job is to kick goals. It's not good enough to just take marks. There are people on here that wanted to throw Schultz to wolves ages ago and he's given us far more over the years. Comparing Butcher to Butcher or Butcher to a bunch of small forwards and midfielders isn't a helpful comparison. The fact is, if he was good enough he'd be in. I don't think there's anyone on this board that has some kind of irrational hatred for the guy, he's had the benefit of having a cult hero status in spite of his performances. There are people here who actually made the argument that he should be in the team because it feels good when actually gets a goal.
 
mic59 said:
I don't understand this dropping of Butcher at all. He has had two chances, one he grabbed and OK it was the paddle-pop lions but he still got into the play and scored four goals. Then we played Sydney, everyone was beaten and there was little anyone could expect Butch to do. Our attack, if it could be called that, was so laughable that a forward having the ball at all was an achievement. I wouldn't blame him if he has no idea what is going on.
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I agree that if we are going to keep him, then dropping his after last week was stupid. Play him the rest of the season. To me, dropping him signals that he won't be on our list next year.
 
Powerade 08 said:
What you are conveniently forgetting is that Butcher has never finished higher than 17th in the Magpies best and fairest and has been outplayed by Salter, Daniel Stewart, Harvey, Bruggerman, Reynolds and anyone else we've tried up forward over the years.

Meanwhile, Kane Mitchell, Sam Gray, Andrew Moore, etc. are all in Magarey form when we bring them into the AFL team.

So that might explain why these guys get more opportunities. Because they actually work for them.
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Never finished higher that 17th in the Magpies B&F, yet lead the goalkicking for a couple of years? Who votes on the B&F? Its the coaches isnt it? Funny that...

Noone's saying there's an active conspiracy against Butch. But the fact is obvious that our coaching staff have a clear hard-on for 5'10" runners over KPP, and you may have accidentally given some evidence towards that with your comment about the B&F.

I'll happily accept Butch should have been dropped, on one small condition: At his press conference Ken stands there and, with a straight face, says Butch had a worse game than Dixon, and that Cam O'Shea is going to be the player change to lead us out of our slump. I'll bet he couldnt do it.
 
If Ken is picking a team to still make finals then he is a bigger fool than I thought. He MAY be picking a team to try to keep his job though. Them end of season face saving wins to make everyone feel good going in to the off season. Groundhog Day.
 
Ando39 said:
Never finished higher that 17th in the Magpies B&F, yet lead the goalkicking for a couple of years? Who votes on the B&F? Its the coaches isnt it? Funny that...

Noone's saying there's an active conspiracy against Butch. But the fact is obvious that our coaching staff have a clear hard-on for 5'10" runners over KPP, and you may have accidentally given some evidence towards that with your comment about the B&F.

I'll happily accept Butch should have been dropped, on one small condition: At his press conference Ken stands there and, with a straight face, says Butch had a worse game than Dixon, and that Cam O'Shea is going to be the player change to lead us out of our slump. I'll bet he couldnt do it.
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Oh I bet he could, he'll probably believe it too.
 
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