bye bye shane

[Tiger_Of_Old]

warne,s 2nd test came back as positive.
id say a 2yr ban is on the cards.

cheers!

 

[goal_umpire]

It's a real shame that this news has already been leaked out about Warnie.

 

[you_idiot]

Ouch.

I know the guy brought this upon himself, but I still feel sorry for him, having to miss the World Cup and all.

Knowing that I represent the minority opinion on the matter here, of course...

Cheers,
William

 

[you_idiot]

The news confirmed, via foxsports.com.au by way of the Herald-Sun...

http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,5998825-23209,00.html

Second test positive
By Michael Warner
February 18, 2003

SHANE WARNE faces a maximum two-year ban from cricket after a second urine test tested positive for a banned diuretic.

The Australian Sports Drug Agency is believed to have informed Warne yesterday that the second sample also tested positive.

The B-test came from the same test conducted by the agency at the SCG on January 22 this year.

Under ASDA protocol, Warne has seven days to ask for an internal inquiry or appeal to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.

Warne - who spent the day locked in talks with lawyers and public relations advisers - is preparing a defence to explain how the diuretic came to be in his system.

Diuretics are banned under International Cricket Council laws because of their ability to mask performance-enhancing and muscle-building drugs, including steroids. But Warne claims he was given a single diuretic tablet by his mother Brigitte for vanity purposes on the eve of a press conference to announce his pending retirement from one-day cricket on January 22.

His mother sometimes uses the prescription blood pressure pills as a weight-loss aid.

It emerged yesterday that Warne's lawyers are expected to argue that the type of diuretic used by Warne was not strong enough to hide traces of steroids. He faces a possible two-year ban from all cricket unless he is able to prove exceptional circumstances.

ASDA spokesman Shawn Winnett said yesterday he could not comment on the result of Warne's second sample.

"Technically the process is still only between us and Shane," Mr Winnett said.

Victorian Supreme Court Justice Bill Gillard - who chaired the ACB's two previous anti-doping hearings - yesterday ruled himself out of the Warne case. Justice Gillard revealed that he had acted for Warne during a "procedural matter" 10 years ago.

Meanwhile, the ACB is expected to wait until after the Warne hearing before announcing a replacement for the World Cup squad in South Africa.

Former off-spinner Peter Taylor yesterday was selected to sit on the three-person Australian Cricket Board anti-doping committee. Taylor played 13 Tests for Australia but was dumped from the side to make way for Warne in January 1992. He did not play Test cricket again.

Queensland Justice Glen Williams and medical specialist Dr Susan White complete the ACB panel that will decide Warne's cricketing fate.

But a date for the hearing remains unclear because the champion leg spinner is yet to notify the board of the findings of the test of his B-sample.

It's all in the hands of the authorities now, and it will be interesting to see what they have to say...

Cheers,
William

 

[JUBJUB]

Originally posted by suzi_olsen
It's a real shame that this news has already been leaked out about Warnie.

I think Suzi's cracked a funny without knowing it.

 

[Becker]

I think Shane should get a 2 year ban ..... 6 months from International Cricket, and a further 18 months ban from eating at his mother's place.

 

[scmods]

This is not a big story... the testing of the "B" sample is standard procedure.

In fact, there was no obligation on Warne or the ACB to even reveal the positive result on the "A" sample until the "B" sample test was also complete.

 

[drexel]

Is it true that it was an an Australian agency that conducted these tests?
What a disgrace! Betraying one of our own. Do you think India would be holding hearings for Tendulkar in the same situation?

The man gets a freak shoulder injury.
He is a crown jewel in our World Cup assault.
He takes the Steroids so the injury heals in time.
He is not planning to cheat during a game....it's simply for the injury.
Some feminist agenda at the AMDA? wins out. (remember the PMS snide remark....Seriously...Joking about a situation like that!?!)
**** that!
Warne has given more entertainment/joy to people around the world, than countless, faceless administrators and other insignificant ppl with too much power... put together.
It's not the 100 metre Sprints here....there should be different drug laws in Cricket...It's just common sense.
WORLD CUP - WARNE = CRIME AGAINST CRICKET

 

[dr nick]

Originally posted by drexel
Is it true that it was an an Australian agency that conducted these tests?
What a disgrace! Betraying one of our own. Do you think India would be holding hearings for Tendulkar in the same situation?

The man gets a freak shoulder injury.
He is a crown jewel in our World Cup assault.
He takes the Steroids so the injury heals in time.
He is not planning to cheat during a game....it's simply for the injury.
Some feminist agenda at the AMDA? wins out. (remember the PMS snide remark....Seriously...Joking about a situation like that!?!)
**** that!
Warne has given more entertainment/joy to people around the world, than countless, faceless administrators and other insignificant ppl with too much power... put together.
It's not the 100 metre Sprints here....there should be different drug laws in Cricket...It's just common sense.
WORLD CUP - WARNE = CRIME AGAINST CRICKET

unfortunately, this moronic attitude is far too prevelant in our society, and it is why we are the laughing stock of the world when it comes to anything drug related, and why we are the first to hound down the likes of the east germans and the chinese swimmers. but if an aussie should do it, the rules should then be changed to allow it!

 

[Becker]

All cricket countries are instructed to drug test their own players, and to report any positive tests to the appropriate authorities.
There is no betrayal in this, just a very silly act on Warnie's behalf.

 

[goal_umpire]

It's a real shame that you lot who were supporters of Shane Warne have turned your back on him.

I like Warnie no matter what he did. He is a great player for Australia.

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by suzi_olsen
It's a real shame that you lot who were supporters of Shane Warne have turned your back on him.

I like Warnie no matter what he did. He is a great player for Australia.

I hardly see this as turning our backs on Warne.

This is just facing the true facts. He is going to get suspended and probably for a lengthy amount of time.

Whether or not he took it to reduce weight is not the issue. The issue is that it is a banned substance. And I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that he didn't know what it was.


Suzi, the stuff he took flushes other drugs out of his system. Do you remember that miracle recovery he made? How suddenly he was playing the last 2 VB matches after looking like he would miss out of the world cup? I think he took the roids and flushed them out with this other drug.

My mum gave them to me so I took them?
Give me a break, how old is he again?

 

[goal_umpire]

Originally posted by TheMase
I hardly see this as turning our backs on Warne.

This is just facing the true facts. He is going to get suspended and probably for a lengthy amount of time.

Whether or not he took it to reduce weight is not the issue. The issue is that it is a banned substance. And I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that he didn't know what it was.


Suzi, the stuff he took flushes other drugs out of his system. Do you remember that miracle recovery he made? How suddenly he was playing the last 2 VB matches after looking like he would miss out of the world cup? I think he took the roids and flushed them out with this other drug.

My mum gave them to me so I took them?
Give me a break, how old is he again?

That's where you're wrong. Warnie took the dieretic for weight loss and not for the miracle recovery. Get your facts straight first.
He is older than you. So why don't you give him a break

 

[Bomber Spirit]

If he's a professional sportsman then he should check before he takes any tablet. That's standard procedure; any sportsman would tell you that.
Whether it's for weight loss or to recover from injury is irrelevant. It's banned under the rules, and one phone call would have confirmed that before he took the thing.

He's a great bowler, but he's done the wrong thing; and he has to face the consequences. And if that's a 2-year ban then so be it.

 

[drexel]

Originally posted by nicko18
unfortunately, this moronic attitude is far too prevelant in our society, and it is why we are the laughing stock of the world when it comes to anything drug related, and why we are the first to hound down the likes of the east germans and the chinese swimmers. but if an aussie should do it, the rules should then be changed to allow it!

I couldn't care less what the general attitude of Australians are but i know it's moronic to compare a few athletes who make their own decision to take whatever for specific reasons as opposed to systematic doping on a national level which has far more sinister reasons. Even worse suggesting Warne trying to heal an injured shoulder is anything like those others.
Tell me exactly how what Warne did, would give him an unfair advantage in any particular game of CRICKET he would play in?
Betrayed...

 

[moomba]

Originally posted by drexel
I couldn't care less what the general attitude of Australians are but i know it's moronic to compare a few athletes who make their own decision to take whatever for specific reasons as opposed to systematic doping on a national level which has far more sinister reasons.

There already is different penalties for systematic doping (ie suspension of all the countries athletes, cheats or not) or individual doping. If found guilty Warne is no less deserving of punishment than any other athlete who as an inidividual has broken the doping rules.

Even worse suggesting Warne trying to heal an injured shoulder is anything like those others. Tell me exactly how what Warne did, would give him an unfair advantage in any particular game of CRICKET he would play in?

Assuming he took steroids:
The advantage would be that for a period of time, steroids would enable him to bowl, without them he would struggle to lift his arm over his head. It is unfair as he would get an athletic advantage over another player, in the same boat, who did not resort to illegal drug use.

Betrayed...

If you feel that way, there is only one person to blame.

Moomba

 

[moomba]

Originally posted by suzi_olsen
That's where you're wrong. Warnie took the dieretic for weight loss and not for the miracle recovery.

One pill will do bugger all toward weight loss. Whatever you p1ss out on the first day, you will put straight back on when you stop taking that tablet. If he claims that, he is lying.

If he was taking several pills over a period of time for weight loss I would be more inclined to believe him, and would probably feel more sympathy for him, but why would he go the "only 1 tablet" line.

Get your facts straight first.

Best advice you have ever given, although you should try it yourself sometime.

He is older than you. So why don't you give him a break

If age has anything at all to do with this, it is that he is old enough to know better

Moomba

 

[goal_umpire]

And you would know because you are all accusing Warnie of lying.

Get your facts straight.

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by suzi_olsen
That's where you're wrong. Warnie took the dieretic for weight loss and not for the miracle recovery. Get your facts straight first.
He is older than you. So why don't you give him a break

Facts my arse!

Do you believe everything you're told?

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by suzi_olsen
And you would know because you are all accusing Warnie of lying.

Get your facts straight.

There are no facts yet. Just because Warne says it is true, doesn't make it gospel.

I am accusing Warne of lying, because I do not believe that 1 tablet will make all that much difference to him. Add that to the fact that he made this miricle recovery in time for the World Cup and it doesn't look good for poor old warney.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Originally posted by suzi_olsen
And you would know because you are all accusing Warnie of lying.

Get your facts straight.

what are the facts ?
fact1.warne took a tablet which can be used to hide the use of steriods.
fact2.shane does his shoulder 3-4 weeks later he is back whereas these type of injurys take months not weeks to heal.
fact3.warne has stated he would do ANYTHING to be fit for the world cup.
fact4.my mom excuse is no excuse.all the players have been educated when it comes to the medical side of things.
fact5.of coarse his mom would support her son no matter what.


cheers!

 

[Becker]

Originally posted by tiger of old

fact5.of coarse his mom would support her son no matter what.

This is a fact? Welcome to the Clive Lloyd school of fairness, logic, and reasoning.

 

[Generalissimo]

Originally posted by tiger of old
what are the facts ?
fact1.warne took a tablet which can be used to hide the use of steriods.
fact2.shane does his shoulder 3-4 weeks later he is back whereas these type of injurys take months not weeks to heal.
fact3.warne has stated he would do ANYTHING to be fit for the world cup.
fact4.my mom excuse is no excuse.all the players have been educated when it comes to the medical side of things.
fact5.of coarse his mom would support her son no matter what.


cheers!

A few responses to your facts:

Fact 1: "Can be used to" is a long, long way from "was used to".
Fact 2: Warne has recovered very quickly from other injuries. Some people heal quicker than others. Are you going to suggest he has been cheating for his entire career?
Fact 3: There are people who will read anything into what others say to justify their own preconceptions. Enter Nostradamus.
Fact 4: Yes it was stupid. Stupidity and deliberately cheating are two different things.
Fact 5: That fact that his mother supports him doesn't prove anything one way or the other.

I'm not trying to have a go at you. I'm just pointing out the danger of extrapolating too much from few facts.

 

[goal_umpire]

Originally posted by tiger of old
what are the facts ?
fact1.warne took a tablet which can be used to hide the use of steriods.
fact2.shane does his shoulder 3-4 weeks later he is back whereas these type of injurys take months not weeks to heal.
fact3.warne has stated he would do ANYTHING to be fit for the world cup.
fact4.my mom excuse is no excuse.all the players have been educated when it comes to the medical side of things.
fact5.of coarse his mom would support her son no matter what.


cheers!

These are not facts. They're all petty excuses which you have gotten off articles that were ill informed.

 

[Clackers69]

Originally posted by tiger of old
warne,s 2nd test came back as positive.
id say a 2yr ban is on the cards.

cheers!

The "B" sample was always going to be positive (unless there was a switch to protect him) because he has already admitted to taking the tablet. The fact that need to be brought out are why he took it. Was it, in fact, to mask some steriods or whatever that he took to get over his shoulder injury (would a blood test still contain traces of steroids if he was to submit to one now)? Or was it just an innocent (read stupid) act by someone, who for some reason, wanted to play a game of cricket in a dehydrated state?

Anyway, whatever the outcome, he is looking at a ban. Time will tell if any other facts come out to lenghten or lessen the ban.