Multiplat Call of Duty: Black Ops 2

[Swade]

OMG WTF is this shit? Video does not mention anything about network hardware at all.

Take the same modem + router and go play BF3 with 24 players, vehicles, destruction and 6km2 maps. Flawless.

Take the same modem + router and play BF3 64 player on PC. Flawless

Take the same modem + router and play Planetside 2 on PC with 2000+ playercounts and 600km2 maps. Flawless.

Nope, CoD on a 7 year old engine on a 7 year old console requires so much bandwidth for it's quadjillion data packets that modems and routers are the bottleneck.

GTFO Swade.

i wouldnt even compare BF3 to COD in that way at all, firstly its dedicated servers vs p2p, and on console its 30fps vs 60fps, thats already a shitload more processing going towards COD, i have played BF3 maybe 2-3times so im not that knowledgeable on the rest of the stuff, i have a relative who plays bf3 on pc with 64players flawlessly on nothing but a crappy router/modem provided by the isp, yet when i try to play COD on the same net its a complete mess, even though ping and bandwidth is great, but lets just say that comparison stacks up anyway, if your router and modem is running BF3 perfectly, then the only problem your facing in BO2 is the same shit that everyone else is, that was exactly my point in the first place, if your still complaining that everyone else is constantly (emphasis on constantly, b/c certain situations should see the advantage turn) 'x' ms ahead of you, either your isp/equipment is shit, or youre just not as good as you think you are at the game, everyone in BO2 and i mean EVERYONE, all the youtube commentators who never made a peep about the lag in mw3 are complaining about shooting first and dieing first in BO2 as if its something new to the series

Anyway i was here to provide information that can not only help people here understand whats going on, but a way for you to understand how to hold the advantage for yourself by adjusting your playstyle, excuse me for intruding though, go back to posting important stuff like simpson memes, tbh im not sure why i bothered, theres maybe 3-4 cool guys and a large group of tools who i wouldnt piss on if they were on fire

 

[grrofunger]

how much fire could one mans piss really put out?

i've often thought that when people use that saying.

thanks for the video swade , for me its just added to the frustration of this game

but i will try and jump around corners more to get an advantage

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Disclaimer: I'm pretty shit at COD.

But if anyone wants to party up with me would be sweet, PSN: TheFreshBanana.

 

[Sub_Zero]

haven't played this in awhile, been addicted to Far Cry 3 and my Wii U. Do miss the bigfooty parties though

 

[Liverpool_FC8]

Good video. Sums up CoD to a tee. Random bullshit creating an environment of frustration and rage. With bullshit streaks and equipment that has no counter (OP).



OMG WTF is this shit? Video does not mention anything about network hardware at all.

Take the same modem + router and go play BF3 with 24 players, vehicles, destruction and 6km2 maps. Flawless.

Take the same modem + router and play BF3 64 player on PC. Flawless

Take the same modem + router and play Planetside 2 on PC with 2000+ playercounts and 600km2 maps. Flawless.

Nope, CoD on a 7 year old engine on a 7 year old console requires so much bandwidth for it's quadjillion data packets that modems and routers are the bottleneck.

GTFO Swade.

spot on, you did forget to mention one thing though.

 

[Premiers04]

Poor net coding for a poorly developed game and that's it. They need shit like host rotation and artificial lag to appeal to the lesser skilled players. Imagine if Blops 2 had connections on par with CoD4, most of us would be rocking 3+ KDRs and just going to town on everything but on the flipside, sales would be low as the players regularly getting stomped would leave the series. Give the kiddies some OP streaks and some artificial lag to get those streaks and Activision starts planting money trees.

But yeah next time i put 30 bullets into someone's back only for them to turn around and drop me in 3, I'll think to myself "this guys a much better player than me" It's an old engine on old hardware, tweaking the ms delay on the developers end would fix a lot of shit, get it back to MW2 levels and we're laughing, get dedicated servers and we're blowing loads over how good the game runs online.

Camste is the perfect example of good isp/equipment ****ing him over, I've witnessed first hand some of his BS deaths, some at the hands of myself when up against a BF party

 

[Gold Member]

i wouldnt even compare BF3 to COD in that way at all, firstly its dedicated servers vs p2p, and on console its 30fps vs 60fps, thats already a shitload more processing going towards COD, i have played BF3 maybe 2-3times so im not that knowledgeable on the rest of the stuff, i have a relative who plays bf3 on pc with 64players flawlessly on nothing but a crappy router/modem provided by the isp, yet when i try to play COD on the same net its a complete mess, even though ping and bandwidth is great, but lets just say that comparison stacks up anyway, if your router and modem is running BF3 perfectly, then the only problem your facing in BO2 is the same shit that everyone else is, that was exactly my point in the first place, if your still complaining that everyone else is constantly (emphasis on constantly, b/c certain situations should see the advantage turn) 'x' ms ahead of you, either your isp/equipment is shit, or youre just not as good as you think you are at the game, everyone in BO2 and i mean EVERYONE, all the youtube commentators who never made a peep about the lag in mw3 are complaining about shooting first and dieing first in BO2 as if its something new to the series

Anyway i was here to provide information that can not only help people here understand whats going on, but a way for you to understand how to hold the advantage for yourself by adjusting your playstyle, excuse me for intruding though, go back to posting important stuff like simpson memes, tbh im not sure why i bothered, theres maybe 3-4 cool guys and a large group of tools who i wouldnt piss on if they were on fire

So are you arguing with me or proving me right?

Data packets are data packets are data packets. Weather they are sent to a server or a p2p host it makes no difference. Frame rates are dependent on on local hardware and have no correlation with networking. A beast PC rig that runs BF3 at 120 frames will run CoD at 280+ frames but that does not increase data packet traffic when gaming against an entry level PC pushing shit to reach 30 frames or compared to console versions at 30 & 60 respectively.

Cool so your relative plays BF3 64 man. That's 64 players running, shooting, driving, piloting and altering a huge map via destruction creating data packets and that runs fine. Then on the very same modem, why does 12 players worth of data packets run like shit? I'll even let you count 4 turrets 4 uav's and 2 choppers as sources of data packets. That's 22 sketchy sources of data packets that somehow overload a modem? Right-o.

Now please enlighten me as to how CoD needs more bandwidth than 2000+ players on a single Planetside 2 map, or even better how HBK's favourite shooter Resistance:FoM could run perfectly on PS3 with older internet technology and 40(?) players creating data packets?

MW3 commentators WTF? Pimply kids can piss off back to the playground they came from and validate your argument at recess over a Twinkie.

What the hell is your last paragraph?
You think the majority of Bigfooty are tools? People just react to what you post, and if you post garbage then that's what you get back. Hey bring information to the table that's cool, but add your misinformed opinion stated as fact at your peril.

BTW I'm the original BigFooty lag comp CoD basher, I stopped playing CoD in early Blops1 days and ruffled more feathers on this forum than you could ever hope to with your Bernard Tomic style of posting.

 

[Ant_]

I put it down to net coding as well. I wonder how my 100mb cable would go in COD? I'm guessing the lag compo would treat me unfairly. (Haven't played COD since I moved).

 

[Liverpool_FC8]

Bernard Tomic style of posting.

GOLD.

 

[Swade]

Camste is the perfect example of good isp/equipment ******* him over, I've witnessed first hand some of his BS deaths, some at the hands of myself when up against a BF party

please tell me you didnt just say optus is a good isp.....there is nothing worse you could do for your gaming experience than play on optus internet, a simple traceroute to googles server in australia drops 2-3 packets before it even leaves melbourne, this is GOOGLES SERVER, imagine the problems with optus trying to connect peer to peer, there is no more garbage isp in the country than optus

internode traceroute
Tracing route to www.google.com [74.125.237.113]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms lns20.mel6.internode.on.net
2 31 ms 30 ms 30 ms te2-2.cor2.mel6.internode.on.net
3 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms gi2-0-0.bdr1.mel6.internode.on.net
4 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms te2-0-0.bdr1.cbr1.internode.on.net
5 30 ms 30 ms 31 ms xe-0-0-1.br1.syd4.iinet.on.net
6 54 ms 30 ms 30 ms xe-2-0-2.br1.syd7.on.ii.net
7 52 ms 29 ms 30 ms gw.google.com
8 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms 66.249.95.224
9 31 ms 30 ms 31 ms 72.14.237.135
10 31 ms 30 ms 30 ms syd01s12-in-f17.1e100.net

Trace complete.

optus traceroute
C:\Users\Swade>tracert www.google.com.au

Tracing route to www.google.com.au [74.125.237.151]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms my.router [192.168.1.1]
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 8 ms 11 ms 11 ms sun1-ge12-1-6.gw.optusnet.com.au
4 10 ms 10 ms 12 ms sun4-unk8-1.gw.optusnet.com.au
5 14 ms 11 ms 13 ms xe-5-0-0.md22.optus.net.au
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 26 ms 24 ms 65 ms 72.14.211.18
8 35 ms 28 ms 33 ms 66.249.95.226
9 32 ms 28 ms 30 ms 72.14.237.137
10 28 ms 27 ms 29 ms syd01s13-in-f23.1e100.net [74.125.237.151]

 

[Gold Member]

Poor net coding for a poorly developed game and that's it. They need shit like host rotation and artificial lag to appeal to the lesser skilled players. Imagine if Blops 2 had connections on par with CoD4, most of us would be rocking 3+ KDRs and just going to town on everything but on the flipside, sales would be low as the players regularly getting stomped would leave the series. Give the kiddies some OP streaks and some artificial lag to get those streaks and Activision starts planting money trees.

This is the truth.

Make in game achivement accessible to the tweenies at high school where peer pressure to conform is the highest and watch the kids force the money from mum & dad's wallet year after year & every low rent dlc inbetween to feed the CoD marketing machine.

 

[Premiers04]

Ok then what about Telstra? i find Gibbs easy to drop in this too and i reckon he's on Telstra. Your defending the game too much, its poor net coding and thats it. Im on Exetel FFS, much, much worse than Optus.

 

[Liverpool_FC8]

Camste is the perfect example of good isp/equipment ******* him over, I've witnessed first hand some of his BS deaths, some at the hands of myself when up against a BF party

nothing like that 2v1, 3 bullet death to both of us ey.

 

[Swade]

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you are COMPLETELY missing the point, and btw that last paragraph wasnt targeted at you, i dont know you well enough to make a judgement, i have never said the net code is working as it should at ALL, what im saying is if your getting more bullshit then the person next door, its either your equipment or your isp, because everyone on this game bar none is getting bullshitted, my point is towards the people who are constantly complaining of coming up against people who are so far ahead of them, and saying how unfair the game is on THEM, the game is unfair on EVERYBODY, thats my point, i dont know where you got the notion that i think BO2 would run as smoothly as BF3 or planetside with the right equipment, i never said that at all

MW3 commentators WTF? Pimply kids can piss off back to the playground they came from and validate your argument at recess over a Twinkie.

Whats that supposed to mean? im saying that even the people who were on GOD mode in mw3 are now on an equally shit playing field in BO2, that seems like a pretty good validation to my argument to me..

 

[Swade]

Ok then what about Telstra? i find Gibbs easy to drop in this too and i reckon he's on Telstra. Your defending the game too much, its poor net coding and thats it. Im on Exetel FFS, much, much worse than Optus.

This is a post i got from whirlpool, and yes it is very poor net coding, but still better than the last 2 COD's

Speaking about connection, I've came across 4 players that have been impossible to kill 1 on 1, all 4 had 2-3 KDR's. All four said they have Telstra cable.
For those of u who have Telstra cable, how do u find the game?

 

[Mancey]

Not too interested in the technical stuff...it is what it is, and I'm not good enough to be bothered by such things.

Played a lot of bf3 and decided to grab this as a change up. I like it really, don't feel like I'm getting cheated too much and seem to get 3 or 4 bar games pretty much exclusively. Net is nothing special, about 10mps down, now and then you get a kill cam showing you facing 90 deg away from the guy you were shooting...but oh well, shit happens.

Re the game, after sticking to mainly to lmgs, I started playing kc and transferred over to smgs using run and gun. Definitely agree the game is more suited to that. Wish I'd done it sooner, especially with the pdw which is a beast with a laser attached. Prestiged for the first time last night. Nice that you keep all your attachments for a change.

I reckon if you take it for what it is, a bit of hit and giggle, it's fun enough. It's like the 20/20 of fps

 

[Gold Member]

please tell me you didnt just say optus is a good isp.....
1 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms lns20.mel6.internode.on.net
6 54 ms 30 ms 30 ms xe-2-0-2.br1.syd7.on.ii.net
3 8 ms 11 ms 11 ms sun1-ge12-1-6.gw.optusnet.com.au
8 35 ms 28 ms 33 ms 66.249.95.226

I don't know what you're getting at but your (pretty good) video posted earlier was quoting latency at upwards of 450-600ms. Can't really see how a 20 odd ms difference between isp's is gonna make a difference compared to what Activision's musical chairs lag comp setup does.

 

[Gold Member]

This is a post i got from whirlpool, and yes it is very poor net coding, but still better than the last 2 COD's

Speaking about connection, I've came across 4 players that have been impossible to kill 1 on 1, all 4 had 2-3 KDR's. All four said they have Telstra cable.
For those of u who have Telstra cable, how do u find the game?

Telstra cable since MW2 and the first to jump ship.

 

[matty lloyd the champ]

Ok then what about Telstra? i find Gibbs easy to drop in this too and i reckon he's on Telstra. Your defending the game too much, its poor net coding and thats it. Im on Exetel FFS, much, much worse than Optus.

Yep, I am on Telstra.

Stop getting technical with all these statistics. Why can't we all just agree that the game is rubbish and get back to posting Simpsons memes.

 

[Cory]

Telstra here aswell.

 

[grrofunger]

Yep, I am on Telstra.

Stop getting technical with all these statistics. Why can't we all just agree that the game is rubbish?

yep -

i played a few games against a bigfooty party the other day when i gave the ps3 version another go (which is still awful by the way- dunno how you guys do it)

alex and camste have the best reflexes in the world if this game is meant to be on a level playing field

and dibikins and cory not so much

because i was getting insta killed by alex and camste or shooting them and they would just dance around and kill me yet i could drop the other two - pretty easily as well and in situations i even remember thinking - 'gee they would be pissed with that'

the game is still ****ed - it cant be even not when you have trouble with certain players like that (yes camste and alex are better than me but they arent superhuman) and can feel the superiority over others

and all this wasn't just around corners either

game is just ****ing broken - will never be an even playing field

 

[matty lloyd the champ]

yep -

i played a few games against a bigfooty party the other day when i gave the ps3 version another go (which is still awful by the way- dunno how you guys do it)

I wouldn't know about that, I've been banned from joining any BF party game for a reasons I will not divulge into.

 

[JordanWCE]

I wouldn't know about that, I've been banned from joining any Camste game for a reasons I will not divulge into.

EFA?

 

[matty lloyd the champ]

EFA?

Or Razor Raymond.

 

[ProudPort2004]

now that i got this game, this is what i think of MW3 LOL