Carlton player Liam Jones refusing vax - Update: Jones retires from AFL

[Lavender Bushranger]

Fine diversion

How many times have you guys jerked off one another during this pandemic?

It's not a diversion.

I mentioned science. You seemed to be calling out some individuals.

I didn't understand you point, or the correlation with my post.

 

[My Tilly]

It's not a diversion.

I mentioned science. You seemed to be calling out some individuals.

I didn't understand you point, or the correlation with my post.

Are you disputing science is not responsible for alcohol and cigarette globalization?

You applaud the science for helping spread the truths on healthy diets and living but ignore the harm it has contributed along the way.

 

[Gruffles]

Thank them for contributing and making these lethal habits accessible to millions of people round the globe?

Ignoring your last post... as it's just a little weird. Are you talking about alcohol and tobacco here? Science is all about making discoveries. Some of them may end up being misused... e.g nuclear science.

 

[faible]

Are you disputing science is not responsible for alcohol and cigarette globalization?

You applaud the science for helping spread the truths on healthy diets and living but ignore the harm it has contributed along the way.

You know alcohol and smoking has been around for over a thousand years right?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Are you disputing science is not responsible for alcohol and cigarette globalization?

You applaud the science for helping spread the truths on healthy diets and living but ignore the harm it has contributed along the way.

That's a very simplistic suggestion.

Science is knowledge. It's not a person.

Science is knowledge based on facts learned through observation. Basically.

It's not just knowledge about how something happens, it's knowledge as to why.

That knowledge can be used by scientists, business people, politicians, or the average Joe, any way they want.

If people use that knowledge to eat things that are good for them, or create things that are addictive to people so they can sell them - that's up to them.

Science just provides the knowledge and understanding.


So if you're suggesting science is a bad thing because it gave people the knowledge to exploit people's addictive behaviours, I'd disagree.

Science just provides the knowledge. We're much better for having more knowledge IMO. Even if it means some people use some of that knowledge for bad, rather than good.

 

[My Tilly]

That's a very simplistic suggestion.

Science is knowledge. It's not a person.

Science is knowledge based on facts learned through observation. Basically.

It's not just knowledge about how something happens, it's knowledge as to why.

That knowledge can be used by scientists, business people, politicians, or the average Joe, any way they want.

If people use that knowledge to eat things that are good for them, or create things that are addictive to people so they can sell them - that's up to them.

Science just provides the knowledge and understanding.


So if you're suggesting science is a bad thing because it gave people the knowledge to exploit people's addictive behaviours, I'd disagree.

Science just provides the knowledge. We're much better for having more knowledge IMO. Even if it means some people use some of that knowledge for bad, rather than good.

I am not disputing science is a bad thing.
I am disputing posts which alluded to the fact science is solely responsible for the average Australian age increasing to 82-84 years.

 

[Gruffles]

I am not disputing science is a bad thing.
I am disputing posts which alluded to the fact science is solely responsible for the average Australian age increasing to 82-84 years.

Would you agree that it has been the most significant factor. And if not, in your opinion, what is?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

I am not disputing science is a bad thing.
I am disputing posts which alluded to the fact science is solely responsible for the average Australian age increasing to 82-84 years.

Which post alluded to that?

 

[My Tilly]

Would you agree that it has been the most significant factor. And if not, in your opinion, what is?

Population growth is the main factor to life expectancy. With such growth, you have economic competition as well as a lot of 'bad' genes being corrected with each new generation coming through.
Of course, science is a factor but I don't see it being the sole reason for Australia's life expectancy increase.

 

[faible]

Population growth is the main factor to life expectancy. With such growth, you have economic competition as well as a lot of 'bad' genes being corrected with each new generation coming through.
Of course, science is a factor but I don't see it being the reason for Australia's life expectancy increase.

I mean, that's certainly one take on it.

Not the take I'd have gone with, but it's a take.

 

[Gruffles]

Population growth is the main factor to life expectancy. With such growth, you have economic competition as well as a lot of 'bad' genes being corrected with each new generation coming through.
Of course, science is a factor but I don't see it being the sole reason for Australia's life expectancy increase.

Fair enough. However... Do you think population growth may have to do with the fact that life expectancy increased allowing more people to reach reproductive age?

Also, I would argue that genetic mutation is occurring all the time so there will always be 'bad' genes within the species. It's, in fact, important to survival of a species if we face a stress for survival.

 

[The 747]

Population growth is the main factor to life expectancy. With such growth, you have economic competition as well as a lot of 'bad' genes being corrected with each new generation coming through.
Of course, science is a factor but I don't see it being the sole reason for Australia's life expectancy increase.

Whoa man! Whoa!!!

 

[MisterMarcus]

Are you disputing science is not responsible for alcohol and cigarette globalization?

You applaud the science for helping spread the truths on healthy diets and living but ignore the harm it has contributed along the way.

I personally have no issue with people being skeptical of mainstream science.

What confuses me is when anti-vaxxers promote distrust and questioning of 'science'....yet unconditionally accept/swallow opinions from fringe, minority or biased sources without any skepticism or critical thinking whatsoever.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

I personally have no issue with people being skeptical of mainstream science.

What confuses me is when anti-vaxxers promote distrust and questioning of 'science'....yet unconditionally accept/swallow opinions from fringe, minority or biased sources without any skepticism or critical thinking whatsoever.

Another recent phenomenon that baffles me is how having an open mind has been adopted to extreme and illogical levels.

If a dude stood up on the train 20 years ago and started telling everyone that the end was nigh, you'd dismiss him as a nut or a drunk, or both. And you wouldn't give the slightest thought to whether or not he may be right, and the end in fact, may be nigh.

But recently, there's an odd trend where any arseh*le with an internet connection can spruik unsubstantiated nonsense online, and suddenly people are like 'Hmm, interesting. I mean, maybe he's got a point? Will be interesting to see how this plays out and how nigh the end really is.'
There's even an expectation that everyone else is obligated to prove that the end is not nigh!


We're in strange times.

 

[Roby]

You know alcohol and smoking has been around for over a thousand years right?

In regards to alcohol and early fermentation it's been around much longer than a thousand years.

Although opinion differs as to when the humans first started to produce or became familiar with alcoholic beverages, their use dates back to ancient civilizations. Substantive historical and archaeological evidence implies the Stone Age [8000 Before the Common Era (BCE)] as the dawn of fermentation products (Guidot and Mehta, 2014)

China is well-known for its distinctive techniques in alcohol fermentation. Here we present archaeological evidence of alcohol making based on analyses of starch granules, phytoliths, and fungi in food residues adhering to 8,000- to 7,000-y-old Neolithic pottery vessels.

 

[faible]

In regards to alcohol and early fermentation it's been around much longer than a thousand years.

Although opinion differs as to when the humans first started to produce or became familiar with alcoholic beverages, their use dates back to ancient civilizations. Substantive historical and archaeological evidence implies the Stone Age [8000 Before the Common Era (BCE)] as the dawn of fermentation products (Guidot and Mehta, 2014)

China is well-known for its distinctive techniques in alcohol fermentation. Here we present archaeological evidence of alcohol making based on analyses of starch granules, phytoliths, and fungi in food residues adhering to 8,000- to 7,000-y-old Neolithic pottery vessels.

I also imagine as long as humans have been able to set fire to herbs, smoking has been around too.

Imagine pretending smoking and alcohol was a modern scientific invention only.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

In regards to alcohol and early fermentation it's been around much longer than a thousand years.

Although opinion differs as to when the humans first started to produce or became familiar with alcoholic beverages, their use dates back to ancient civilizations. Substantive historical and archaeological evidence implies the Stone Age [8000 Before the Common Era (BCE)] as the dawn of fermentation products (Guidot and Mehta, 2014)

China is well-known for its distinctive techniques in alcohol fermentation. Here we present archaeological evidence of alcohol making based on analyses of starch granules, phytoliths, and fungi in food residues adhering to 8,000- to 7,000-y-old Neolithic pottery vessels.

I went to China a few years ago. On the way to the Great Wall we stopped at this big restaurant in the middle of nowhere for lunch. We sat down and the waiter plonked this little bottle with a red label and gold writing on it on the table. I asked a random local dude that was sitting at the same table what it is, and he explained that it was alcohol. He advised me not to touch the stuff. Very strong. Very bad.

So anyway....once the bottle was empty we left and proceeded to the Wall. After about half an hour of hiking up and around it, I nearly died. That shit hit me hard. At one point I genuinely thought I could see Ghengis Khan coming over the hills with his army. I was hallucinating and shit.

To this day I still don't know what it was. But a tip for young players - if you're ever in China and they offer you some booze with a red label and gold writing on it, do your own research before drinking it!!

 

[The 747]

I went to China a few years ago. On the way to the Great Wall we stopped at this big restaurant in the middle of nowhere for lunch. We sat down and the waiter plonked this little bottle with a red label and gold writing on it on the table. I asked a random local dude that was sitting at the same table what it is, and he explained that it was alcohol. He advised me not to touch the stuff. Very strong. Very bad.

So anyway....once the bottle was empty we left and proceeded to the Wall. After about half an hour of hiking up and around it, I nearly died. That sh*t hit me hard. At one point I genuinely thought I could see Ghengis Khan coming over the hills with his army. I was hallucinating and sh*t.

To this day I still don't know what it was. But a tip for young players - if you're ever in China and they offer you some booze with a red label and gold writing on it, do your own research before drinking it!!

Maotai/moutai it sounds like (my parents lived in China for a decade), that stuff will mess you up.

 

[faible]

To this day I still don't know what it was.

Maotai/moutai it sounds like (my parents lived in China for a decade), that stuff will mess you up.

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[Lavender Bushranger]

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Hahah! I reckon that might be it! Although it was a smaller, squarer bottle, with a reddish tinge to the glass.

 

[faible]

Hahah! I reckon that might be it! Although it was a smaller, squarer bottle, with a reddish tinge to the glass.

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Only one way to test it out...

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Only one way to test it out...

Definitely going to do my own research this time around!

Although in hindsight, I did eat some pretty funky looking stuff at lunch that day - so the hallucination may have been related to that, and not the booze. Or maybe both.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Definitely going to do my own research this time around!

Although in hindsight, I did eat some pretty funky looking stuff at lunch that day - so the hallucination may have been related to that, and not the booze. Or maybe both.

MSG... I've had some interesting nightmares after eating Chinese food

 

[sr36]

Population growth is the main factor to life expectancy. With such growth, you have economic competition as well as a lot of 'bad' genes being corrected with each new generation coming through.
Of course, science is a factor but I don't see it being the sole reason for Australia's life expectancy increase.

We're more likely to be genetically deteriorating than improving as natural selection doesn't work when communities ensure the enormous majority can survive and re-produce.

 

[Alite]

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‘ retirement just 3 days after the AFL’s date for list lodgement means that, under AFL rules, Carlton does not have a second list spot open for the National Draft... even though we all know Carlton have a second spot un-filled due to unusual circumstances.

If Carlton got a second ND place and traded back to split their 1st: none of the other 17 teams would be worse off. In fact, the team (all 17 other clubs could do this) that took the blues pick 25 and split it for later picks would be better off.

It makes No Sense to not allow the second spot to be open for Carlton others than red tape.


Brad Scott, your time is now. Fix this.