List Mgmt. Carlton's 2018 Draft Thread (cont. in Part 2)

[chelseacarlton]

I don’t care which we choose as our 2nd inside the top ten if rumours are true,but if ditch Walsh,then we’d better get Bailey, because I believe he will be better long term.
He reminds me of an obsessive,more skilled and determined Dane Swan.
Take him at 3 and 6,do whatever the fuque you like with it!
Make it happen

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

I WANT WALSH

 

[katmanblue]

Luko and Rozee touring Carlton was a big throw off bluff to make the others think that's who we would take if we got 3 & 6 which it isn't imo. We would take Rankine & Smith which is what we need not the other 2, total case of disinformation on our part and very smart as it ramps up the pressure on the other clubs and gives us the best chance of getting what we really want. If it works we will be the big winners from the draft if not we still end up with Walsh it is a win win situation for us and puts us in the box seat. Or if we get to pick six and Rozee is still there Adel will want to trade with us to get Rozee and we can get at a minimum 8 & 13 out of them for 6. Win win win in that scenario. We are in an enviable position for this draft and really will struggle to lose.

Don't jinx it.

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[TerryWallet]

He's the intriguing player of this draft for me (and my limited viewing)...about 8-17 range

• 193cm explosive inside mid - grown from 178 zippy outside-ish mid in last couple of years...how big does he end up being??
• Not high production which is something you'd normally want for an U18 mid, but did have some bigger posse games later in season from memory and still learning to use his bigger frame
• Got beat by 50m (10 sec) by Rankine, whose endurance has been questioned, in the 2km time trial at the combine, but not seen as lazy or having attitude issues

Reckon which ever club gets him it will take a couple of years (i.e. I Don't reckon he starts day 1 like a Walsh, Rankine, Luko or a Smith) but he could be best in draft (Cripps like)

What about some of our live watchers TerryWallet The Smoking Gun ...any insight here?

Your summation is pretty much what i would write.

Imo he is at the top of the range you mentioned but looks like he could go anywhere between about 8 to 13. He is 8 on my board but could be as high as 6 as i have a 1-3 group(Walsh,Luko,Izak), a 4&5 group(Blakey,King) and a 6-8 group(King,Williams,RCD) followed by (Smith, Rozee) to round out the Top10..

His year was explained well in the last article on him i read. His production has been down as he's been learning to play with "the new him" ie the much bigger body and different role. His current is very good but his potential is enormous.

 

[Red Bull]

We're in a great position.
More than happy to bank Walsh , he's exactly what we need.
If GC come knocking , we simply say , we're not interested in a fair deal.
You'll have to blow us away , we want 2 (Lukosius) & 6 (Rozee).
We understand its a big price , but thats the price.
No negotiation.

Welcome Sam Walsh ...

Maybe ...

 

[HARKER]

Heard a bit of Whateley and Pearce on SEN yesterday talking about what Carlton should do with the #1 and they both came to one conclusion...a conclusion I agree with at this point in time, which means little really but;
They thought that Carlton doesn't need more young players but just the best ones.

I feel this is the mindset SOS will walk into the draft with in two weeks time. What will that mean? I think we know, but we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[dlb99]

Team Walsh for me.

 

[maxyblue]

Heard a bit of Whateley and Pearce on SEN yesterday talking about what Carlton should do with the #1 and they both came to one conclusion...a conclusion I agree with at this point in time, which means little really but;
They thought that Carlton doesn't need more young players but just the best ones.

I feel this is the mindset SOS will walk into the draft with in two weeks time. What will that mean? I think we know, but we'll just have to wait and see.

Don’t listen to SEN (best decision I ever made, which shows how low I’ve set the bar of life hahah) ... and of course I’m quoting out of context ... but reading that seems to suggest that the Geelong FC mouthpiece doesn’t rate the youngsters drafted since 2015

 

[Eiffel 65]

Can speak very highly of Bailey as a character and would love him at the Blues next year. Perhaps my mail may be unfolding after all.

Are you allowed to disclose your mail or is it confidential?

 

[TerryWallet]

Heard a bit of Whateley and Pearce on SEN yesterday talking about what Carlton should do with the #1 and they both came to one conclusion...a conclusion I agree with at this point in time, which means little really but;
They thought that Carlton doesn't need more young players but just the best ones.

I feel this is the mindset SOS will walk into the draft with in two weeks time. What will that mean? I think we know, but we'll just have to wait and see.

Yep. Since 2015 they have told us what they are going to do and have done it. We turned over the list and brought in talented youth in bulk over 3 years. Quantity of quality.

Now we are in the stability and cohesion phase. No coincidence we traded out multiple lower picks for 2 quality players and retained our 2 first picks for the next 2 years. Quality over quantity now.

The only miss was missing out on the experienced mid in Shiel. Nearly everything is going to plan so far but the 2 who are left holding the can a touch are Bolton and Cripps. I think there wish would be to give them Walsh next year. He is not Shiel immediately, far from it, but he can make an impact 1st year just like Selwood did, Judd did, Rioli did, Stephenson did, even McGrath and Brayshaw did. Dangerfield did say that after training with Walsh last year he would have loved to have him in the side this year.

I think Walsh is the right thing for Carlton FC, the whole of Carlton FC. And if GC want him badly enough they'll have to drag him out of our cold dead hands as Red Bull mentioned above.

 

[HARKER]

Don’t listen to SEN (best decision I ever made, which shows how low I’ve set the bar of life hahah) ... and of course I’m quoting out of context ... but reading that seems to suggest that the Geelong FC mouthpiece doesn’t rate the youngsters drafted since 2015

Let's forget for a minute who said it but what was said/suggested; "Carlton don't need any more kids. Just the right ones".

The reason I feel the same way is when you go through our squad, It's amazing just how many second, third and fourth year players comprise our best 22 at this point in time. Take another tall and we're just stock-piling...take another two mids and it may just be too many in too short a space of time.

I don't know what the right balance is, as a matter of fact, but I'd sooner take one guy at the top end for now and put the final pieces in place next year, but I could be swayed easily to look at it the other way.

 

[Eiffel 65]

https://triplem.scadigital.com.au/s...p/_oFZVzfh9ESalqmRAX46IA?stationCode=adelaide

Skip to 7.05.

Might be grain of salt stuff, but considering nothing gets done at the AFC without this guys approval it might have some relevance. (ignoring the usual smart arse unprofessional cheap shot at us).

I'd imagine Roo would have some decent mail. Things change really quickly though so you never know.

Roo did say "there's a big chance". Regardless of whether a trade happens, don't think Roo would use this phrase if it was complete BS and was absolutely no chance of eventuating.

 

[GoBlues!]

Don’t listen to SEN (best decision I ever made, which shows how low I’ve set the bar of life hahah) ... and of course I’m quoting out of context ... but reading that seems to suggest that the Geelong FC mouthpiece doesn’t rate the youngsters drafted since 2015

I think he does rate our youngsters.

His point is we’ve spent 3 years going to the draft getting a number of young players, and what we need now is quality, not quantity which I agree with. Our focus is also switching to getting in quality experienced players like McGovern.

 

[Eiffel 65]

I think he does rate our youngsters.

His point is we’ve spent 3 years going to the draft getting a number of young players, and what we need now is quality, not quantity which I agree with. Our focus is also switching to getting in quality experienced players like McGovern.

If we're confident in our list build to date and are looking for "the player", we should be taking Rankine, not Walsh.

If people are raising the quality over quantity debate, you're probably at a stage where you're looking for the match winner.

In the top 8, Rankine is the genuine match winner.

For what it's worth, I believe the quality of quantity debate is irrelevant when discussing trading pick 1 for two top 10 picks.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Yep. Since 2015 they have told us what they are going to do and have done it. We turned over the list and brought in talented youth in bulk over 3 years. Quantity of quality.

Now we are in the stability and cohesion phase. No coincidence we traded out multiple lower picks for 2 quality players and retained our 2 first picks for the next 2 years. Quality over quantity now.

The only miss was missing out on the experienced mid in Shiel. Nearly everything is going to plan so far but the 2 who are left holding the can a touch are Bolton and Cripps. I think there wish would be to give them Walsh next year. He is not Shiel immediately, far from it, but he can make an impact 1st year just like Selwood did, Judd did, Rioli did, Stephenson did, even McGrath and Brayshaw did. Dangerfield did say that after training with Walsh last year he would have loved to have him in the side this year.

I think Walsh is the right thing for Carlton FC, the whole of Carlton FC. And if GC want him badly enough they'll have to drag him out of our cold dead hands as Red Bull mentioned above.

If you want quality over quantity than wouldn't we be best off trying to get two elite talents out of our 4 picks instead of just one.
The difference between Walsh and Rankine is a hell of a lot less than the kids taken at 6 and ~69.
For me trading 1 for a pick that would get us Rankine is a very small if any drop in quality at all and fits just a big of a need. I guess that's all subjective though.

 

[gotheJUDD]

 

[smashbox gill]

I definitely think Walsh is the right player for Carlton no questions asked.
But if GC come with 3 & 6, that is worth more than Walsh.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

If we're confident in our list build to date and are looking for "the player", we should be taking Rankine, not Walsh.

If people are raising the quality over quantity debate, you're probably at a stage where you're looking for the match winner.

In the top 8, Rankine is the genuine match winner.

For what it's worth, I believe the quality of quantity debate is irrelevant when discussing trading pick 1 for two top 10 picks.

This is how I feel.
We already have 5 first round midfielders from the last three drafts, all inside the top 13 and that's on top of Cripps and Fisher. If we have recruited well that's our core already

 

[bmaurizio]

Obviously the offer for pick 1 must be excellent goes without saying, just as two potential champions are far more valuable to CFC than a solitary gun.

 

[thylacine60]

I definitely think Walsh is the right player for Carlton no questions asked.
But if GC come with 3 & 6, that is worth more than Walsh.

no question, although you just know if it does happen walsh will become juddesque...........

 

[bmaurizio]

Add Lukosius and Rozee to our younstersand we’re set for a decade.

 

[Jimmae]

He's the intriguing player of this draft for me (and my limited viewing)...about 8-17 range

• 193cm explosive inside mid - grown from 178 zippy outside-ish mid in last couple of years...how big does he end up being??
• Not high production which is something you'd normally want for an U18 mid, but did have some bigger posse games later in season from memory and still learning to use his bigger frame
• Got beat by 50m (10 sec) by Rankine, whose endurance has been questioned, in the 2km time trial at the combine, but not seen as lazy or having attitude issues

Reckon which ever club gets him it will take a couple of years (i.e. I Don't reckon he starts day 1 like a Walsh, Rankine, Luko or a Smith) but he could be best in draft (Cripps like)

What about some of our live watchers TerryWallet The Smoking Gun ...any insight here?

Your summation is pretty much what i would write.

Imo he is at the top of the range you mentioned but looks like he could go anywhere between about 8 to 13. He is 8 on my board but could be as high as 6 as i have a 1-3 group(Walsh,Luko,Izak), a 4&5 group(Blakey,King) and a 6-8 group(King,Williams,RCD) followed by (Smith, Rozee) to round out the Top10..

His year was explained well in the last article on him i read. His production has been down as he's been learning to play with "the new him" ie the much bigger body and different role. His current is very good but his potential is enormous.

See, when you compare him to similar stories in recent drafts like Bontempelli, Cripps and Fyfe, they started to get the possession accumulation under their belts at least in the back half of their final junior season. So there was a body of work that suggested they'll develop and AFL-level work rate for that midfield role.

RCD doesn't have that, and in some ways has even less of it than Scrimshaw had a few years back. The difference there seems to be in his aggression and general mentality, so I don't think he's going to implode like Jack did (albeit in a situation that was not ideal in being draft to the GC as a key defender), but it's enough for him to slide well past 13.

I think 10-19 is a reasonable assessment, with GWS, Brisbane and Richmond the most likely to take the risk on him.

 

[thylacine60]

Add Lukosius and Rozee to our yonsters and we’re set for a decade.

longer than that if we keep drafting and trading with our brains in gear and not in our arse..............

 

[Eiffel 65]

This is how I feel.
We already have 5 first round midfielders from the last three drafts, all inside the top 13 and that's on top of Cripps and Fisher. If we have recruited well that's our core already

Don't get me wrong. My preference is still to trade for two picks and take Bailey Smith and Connor Rozee.

Just saying that if we thought our list was fully developed or had enough talent, you go for the match winner.

Rankine will have the better highlights reel once his AFL career is over though.

Should we start a new thread focused on trading pick 1?

 

[Jimmae]

Don't get me wrong. My preference is still to trade for two picks and take Bailey Smith and Connor Rozee.

Just saying that if we thought our list was fully developed or had enough talent, you go for the match winner.

Rankine will have the better highlights reel once his AFL career is over though.

Should we start a new thread focused on trading pick 1?

Personally, I'd love for us to magic 1 and our future 1st into 2, 3 and 6 and take Lukosius, Rankine and Smith, but then reality sets in.