Opinion Carlton's best team structure 2017

[Love the Drake]

Looking at the bullies on the weekend reinforced my view that we have to overhaul our team structure.

We can no longer play two ruckmen. With Kruez/Phillips and Cas the ball rebounded way too easily when the ball hit the ground.

The bullies won the GF without a recognised KPF. Cordy and Boyd floated in and out, with medium sized players smith, Dickson and Picken kicking most of their goals.

I'd like to see us go in to games with one ruckman and Cas providing rucking support.

Hopefully jack and Charlie C can stand up as our medium forwards with jacksh/Mckay playing the mobile chf. Wright, Dennis, sumner, murph, kerridge rotating through the small forward position.

Thoughts?

 

[HARKER]

Structure?

Allow SOS and co to bring in the right players to the club.
Allow Bolton to implement his game plan and back him all the way.
Nosey meddlers to be kept at bay by Trigg.

Get this right and we may not have to worry about on-field goings-on quite so much.

 

[Soapy V]

I'd like to see us go in to games with one ruckman and Cas providing rucking support.

like to see phillips or kruezer in ruck with rowe as big forward/relief ruck
defence is now set if we get marchbank & maybe corr. flexible and can match up on anyone
forward line of rowe (big body) mckay maybe stewart with charlie silvagni pickett and a heap of midfield rotations. like to see kerridge up forward more.
what need is run/midfield depth with good ball use. add another 6-8 of those on our list and you can do anything.

 

[HARKER]

We're going to have a turn-over of up to 25 players over the course of the next 13 months.

Who knows who'll be on our books and which direction we may head in, although we seem to be loving our talls right now.

 

[BringBackSimmo]

like to see phillips or kruezer in ruck with rowe as big forward/relief ruck

I do like the idea of Rowe playing forward, has been a decent forward option in the past.. probably more likely given it seems we will get Marchbank, perhaps we will stop trying to make Jaksch into a forward also?

Rowe 62.5% accuracy
Casboult 54.2% accuracy

Also more accurate than Casboult
(though i suppose much smaller data group)

 

[ctacp]

We're going to have a turn-over of up to 25 players over the course of the next 13 months.

Who knows who'll be on our books and which direction we may head in, although we seem to be loving our talls right now.

Exactly. We've taken the first real serious steps at rebuilding properly in a very long, long time. It'll take a few more seasons before things really start to "click" but all the signs this season point to improvement. As the list is invariably turned over the improvement will come on.
Sit back, enjoy the ups, don't stress the downs & get on board!

 

[Love the Drake]

I am a firm believer that playing two rucks is one too many. Replace one with a mid with Cas/Rowe helping the main ruck (who plays 80% on ball).

 

[Coona Blues]

I am a firm believer that playing two rucks is one too many. Replace one with a mid with Cas/Rowe helping the main ruck (who plays 80% on ball).

Bolts clearly subscribes to the Hawthorn model with 2 rucks. Obviously regarded/hoped Casboult as key forward. Don't think too many disagree with the thought that the three together detracts from other areas.

 

[Coona Blues]

We're going to have a turn-over of up to 25 players over the course of the next 13 months.

Who knows who'll be on our books and which direction we may head in, although we seem to be loving our talls right now.

Hard to see why we need so many talls, when we have other holes, particularly mids to fill. Perhaps SOS believes some may
become trade collateral in necessary in the future....lord knows we are short of trade bait now.

 

[thylacine60]

I insist Phillips makes it.

 

[RudyBlue]

It'd be really nice if Sumner could transform from a nippy small forward to a ferocious midfielder a la Dahlhaus

 

[Sin City]

The good ol' BigFooty time warp.

No mention of what to do with our plus one or how we transition the ball out of the stoppage and plenty of talk about the rucks again...

 

[thylacine60]

sorry sin.........

 

[Azul]

in: murphy.

 

[Wiggo4PM]

Nah I have faith in Bolts plan going forward, sure Luke has his ideas on the hawk gameplan etc and it paid off. I just think it will be folly to change it one year in, considering we need more mids pronto as it is, im inclined to let it go naturally. Chances are many clubs are trying to emulate someone anyway, if they all do that then they will probably get beaten by something bolts has created instead. I used to see this all the time playing first person shooters, you develop a tactic that works, people catch on, you change it slightly people still catch on, repeat etc then you revert back to plan a and whoop everyone into submission as they didnt prepare for it cos they just choose plan c instead to mimic.

 

[TheCoach16]

I don't think it's wise to attempt to replicate the structure/game plan of another team. There's a danger of ending up a poor man's version of them, and never quite "being them"...

The Dogs did what works for them, as did the Hawks before them. Bolts will come up with a structure that best suits us.

For what it's worth, I think we should be conditioning a host of players to rotate through the middle. Not necessarily turn them into onballers, more a group of guys who can pull short sharp shifts on ball when required, to chop out our genuine onballers. Charlie (I think he's a mid anyway), Doc, Tuohy, Weitering, Jack, Byrne, Sumner, Gorringe, to name a few.

On a side note, I believe it was more than structures that helped the Dogs win the flag. There was a a level of intensity and belief that you can't teach, but you can catch... Let's hope our boys catch it.

 

[ShanDog]

I'm ok with having two rucks but they need to actually be able to play forward and not just 'occupy' a F50 arc.

As far as tactics go, I've lamented our ball use from stoppages ever since Malthouse came on board. It wasn't the greatest with Ratts, but at least then we had Judd and Murphy bursting away from packs and hitting up targets. As soon as Judd started to decline and Malthouse came in, it was all about the 35m bombed screw-punt out of the stoppages blind and into the arms of an opposition player. Robinson used to be ****ing terrible for that, Curnow wasn't much better and Carrots had his moments there too. Now, Bryce leads the way.

As someone else mentioned, if you watch the Bulldogs you can see they will handball around and then hit up a short 20m kick or run it out. A bombed ball forward is literally the last resort and they aren't afraid to hang on to it longer than most I reckon. Their handballing is also several levels better than ours - only Cripps would be able to play in their midfield and slot in straight away.

I love the defensive zone work and I'm really happy how quickly we got a hold of that concept.

When it comes to the forward line, I am definitely more in favour of mobility and flexibility than size. A forward the size of Casboult is great, but limited. One or two smalls, three or four medium sized players (such as C. Curnow and Silvagni) and one big guy like Casboult (and McKay in the future). That's it, besides the occasional resting ruck.

 

[Faz 2000]

Kreuzer 80% ruck, bench for rest the remainder.
Casboult forward 80%, 20% relief ruck.
Silvagni and McKay/Curnow learning the craft up forward.
Rowe dour defender role, Weitering making that half of the ground his own, Plowman the third tall defender.

Structure: check.
Next up - talent!

 

[Love the Drake]

The good ol' BigFooty time warp.

No mention of what to do with our plus one or how we transition the ball out of the stoppage and plenty of talk about the rucks again...

This thread is about structure because I don't think ours is right (mainly becauase Phillips and Kruez are very average forwards that affect our ability to keep the ball in the forward line, and limits our rotations). If you want to start a thread about transition/stoppages - feel free...

 

[thylacine60]

phillips has some potential up forward, at least he kicks straight - something cas never did and a skill kreuz has lost - also bumping own thread so no




https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-d-word.1126966/page-10

 

[RudyBlue]

I think we can safely say Bolts and his team can coach. A touch more forward half class/efficiency and we might've had consecutive wins against WC, Sydney and Hawthorn, to go with our win against Geelong.

I hope we can formulate a gameplan that stands up in the heat of the finals too. I see the best finals sides as those that can surge the ball forward efficiently, get more numbers around the ball and halve/win more contests than their opponents. Specific forward/defensive structures should be tailored to the team's assets.

 

[BringBackSimmo]

phillips has some potential up forward, at least he kicks straight

I must admit i have thought the same about Daniel Gorringe

 

[WWSD]

I went to a lot of Carlton games in 2016. Personally I don't think Carlton can play both Krezuer and Phillips in the same side next year. When Carlton were on a mini roll earlier in the year, it was Daniel Gorringe who was playing as the back-up ruckman and playing quite well before he got injured. He's the ideal player to play as the supporting ruck in season 2017 to either Kreuzer or Phillips. When Gorringe did play he was quite good up forward with his contested marking, accurate kicking for goal and he competed well in the ruck and around the ground.

 

[BringBackSimmo]

I went to a lot of Carlton games in 2017. Personally I don't think Carlton can play both Krezuer and Phillips in the same side next year. When Carlton were on a mini roll earlier in the year, it was Daniel Gorringe who was playing as the back-up ruckman and playing quite well before he got injured. He's the ideal player to play as the supporting ruck in season 2017 to either Kreuzer or Phillips. When Gorringe did play he was quite good up forward with his contested marking, accurate kicking for goal and he competed well in the ruck and around the ground.

He is a time-traveler?

 

[TheCoach16]

I went to a lot of Carlton games in 2017.

How did we go? I'd like to put a couple of large bets on...



Sorry. So juvenile of me to focus on a typo in what was a very good post.