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Blue Thunder said:
Muji I appreciate that this would be of interest however let me say that if everyone who posted information on this board disclosed who they were or how they came by the information then that would compromise the position of the individual, and hence further information.
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Can i clarify something, do you think the leaking of information out of carlton is a good thing? Or only when it suits you so you can run to the net and be our fantastic inside contact?

Loose lips sink ships. Identify your source.
 

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Deej said:
Can i clarify something, do you think the leaking of information out of carlton is a good thing? Or only when it suits you so you can run to the net and be our fantastic inside contact?

Loose lips sink ships. Identify your source.
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Let me just say that there are plenty of interested members/supporters who want to know that there is something going on with our club rather than settle for the status quo.

Without posting scuttlebut and rumour I am trying to let the people know that there are others that are trying to make change happen because they feel it is good for the club. I'm not interested in being your "Fantastic Inside Contact" - have other things to do with my time and betters ways to feed my ego.

The point of this board is manyfold, one of which is to post information on the happenings of the club. Personally I would much rather discuss these events than other trivial topics, and that is why I sign in to Bigfooty.

If everyone was to adhere to your views then all there would be to discuss on Bigfooty would be "who your favourite player is" and "Draft Predictions".
 
Deej said:
Can i clarify something, do you think the leaking of information out of carlton is a good thing? Or only when it suits you so you can run to the net and be our fantastic inside contact?

Loose lips sink ships. Identify your source.
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Why should he Deej?
BT's information to date has been pretty much spot on.
It's pretty clear where he is getting his information from, it would only be from a handful of people.

Grow up!!
 
Blue Thunder said:
Let me just say that there are plenty of interested members/supporters who want to know that there is something going on with our club rather than settle for the status quo.

Without posting scuttlebut and rumour I am trying to let the people know that there are others that are trying to make change happen because they feel it is good for the club. I'm not interested in being your "Fantastic Inside Contact" - have other things to do with my time and betters ways to feed my ego.

The point of this board is manyfold, one of which is to post information on the happenings of the club. Personally I would much rather discuss these events than other trivial topics, and that is why I sign in to Bigfooty.

If everyone was to adhere to your views then all there would be to discuss on Bigfooty would be "who your favourite player is" and "Draft Predictions".
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Let me start by saying that nothing i write, no matter how aggressive it may sound, is designed to get personal towards you. As always I have only ever had the club's best interests in mind, and anything i write anywhere should be considered with that in mind.

Good to hear you have other things to do that feed your ego - i'm the same - others on this website though definitely use such opportunities to bignote themselves and exaggerate their own importance in the scheme of things. I guess my attitude re the 'fantastic inside contact' is born through that, and I hope you understand my angle there. I'm only trying to play a very small part in helping protect the club's (bigger picture) best interests.

Don't you think that the leaking to the (non-carlton) press is bad for the club? If you're carlton through and through and your intentions are for bettering the club and you have half a brain then if i were on the board then I would consider leaking information to you for purposes of acheiving a better outcome for the club.....but that's a really dangerous tactic BT, because problem is I don't trust most people's decision-making ability to be wise. Why should we trust yours? What are your credentials?
 
Dont know if it has been brough up yet, but she has written another article that will cause alot of angst amongst the board members for the paper tomorrow.

If it gets through (which im guessing it will) it will outline where her sources say the club is going including the new ceo(currently at a big firm) and many other movements.

She loves finding every opputunity to do this!
 
Deej said:
Let me start by saying that nothing i write, no matter how aggressive it may sound, is designed to get personal towards you. As always I have only ever had the club's best interests in mind, and anything i write anywhere should be considered with that in mind.

Good to hear you have other things to do that feed your ego - i'm the same - others on this website though definitely use such opportunities to bignote themselves and exaggerate their own importance in the scheme of things. I guess my attitude re the 'fantastic inside contact' is born through that, and I hope you understand my angle there. I'm only trying to play a very small part in helping protect the club's (bigger picture) best interests.

Don't you think that the leaking to the (non-carlton) press is bad for the club? If you're carlton through and through and your intentions are for bettering the club and you have half a brain then if i were on the board then I would consider leaking information to you for purposes of acheiving a better outcome for the club.....but that's a really dangerous tactic BT, because problem is I don't trust most people's decision-making ability to be wise. Why should we trust yours? What are your credentials?
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Look Deej I know your intentions are good, so are all of us who really care about the club, but people have different views and opinions on what they believe is beneficial for the club.

My view is that the club has been a laughing stock for so many years now and our leadership has been significantly lacking that it is a wonder that many supporters have'nt thrown in the towel.

Yes I am in a fortunate position of being privy to some things that are happening but the only reason I am posting certain information is because there is so much talk on this board of dissatisfaction with the way the club is being managed and people screaming out for change. If I was not informed of the things that are going on I would be a very frustrated supporter thinking that things were not going to change.

My credentials and so forth have nothing to do with the details I post, it is up to the individual to assess whether my posts are accurate, biased or complete rumour and inuendo.

As I have said before I will not post rumour, innuendo and scuttlebut but will only post what I feel is legitimate information. There are some topics on this site (for example "Fevola in a Bingle") that are completely untrue and simply very distasteful, these are topics I think are damaging and should be stopped.

Deej at the end of the day if there is a change for the better and we improve our leadership then great. If not and Smorgon manages to fight off the challengers then he wins my respect and many others, and who knows this may result in more corporate and high profile powerbrokers feeling more confident in the leadership of the club and being prepared to put money forward.

Either way the club will come out all the more stronger and that is what I want to achieve.
 
The club just seems to be chasing it's tail at the moment, and we seem to lurch from one "crisis" to the next.

However, once we start getting some on-field success, i'm sure the off-field issues will disapate and we can become a great club again.
 
HugeBluesFan said:
The club just seems to be chasing it's tail at the moment, and we seem to lurch from one "crisis" to the next.

However, once we start getting some on-field success, i'm sure the off-field issues will disapate and we can become a great club again.
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Therein lies the key to what is happening at Carlton. What we are seeing at the moment is mostly a reaction to our poor on-field record over the last 5 years. It is easy to find fault when a team is sitting down the bottom & there is always going to be disenchantment from those who think they can do better. At the moment, though, no-one else seems to actually be putting their hand up to say they are ready to have a go at steering the club, instead their is a few on the club's board & among the supporters who are happy to white-ant the club until something gives.

If Murphy hadn't been injured against the Lions, if we had held on against the Eagles, I think even the knockers would be singing a different tune now. A little bit of early success next year, leading to a bit of confidence among our playing list & the only noises you will hear will be the sound of people clamouring to get back on the bandwagon. I'm not saying we are finals bound or anything like that but further growth on what was achieved against the Eagles, the Bulldogs, Freo this season will see an extra 3-4 wins next season & with the promise of continued growth among the likes of Murphy, Kennedy, Bower, Gibbs (yes we will draft him), Simpson, Walker, Blackwell etc will soon see the doubters saying they always knew it would be turned around in the end.
 

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HugeBluesFan said:
The club just seems to be chasing it's tail at the moment, and we seem to lurch from one "crisis" to the next.

However, once we start getting some on-field success, i'm sure the off-field issues will disapate and we can become a great club again.
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But we've acknowleged that won't happen until 2009.
 
BlueWorld said:
You mean like winning another Wizard Cup or 10 games in a season!!!:eek:
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I would consider that some on-field success, wouldn't you?
We are going to have to gradually build up to 11 or so wins to get us back into the finals.
 
Blue Thunder said:
Look Deej I know your intentions are good, so are all of us who really care about the club, but people have different views and opinions on what they believe is beneficial for the club.

My view is that the club has been a laughing stock for so many years now and our leadership has been significantly lacking that it is a wonder that many supporters have'nt thrown in the towel.

Yes I am in a fortunate position of being privy to some things that are happening but the only reason I am posting certain information is because there is so much talk on this board of dissatisfaction with the way the club is being managed and people screaming out for change. If I was not informed of the things that are going on I would be a very frustrated supporter thinking that things were not going to change.

My credentials and so forth have nothing to do with the details I post, it is up to the individual to assess whether my posts are accurate, biased or complete rumour and inuendo.

As I have said before I will not post rumour, innuendo and scuttlebut but will only post what I feel is legitimate information. There are some topics on this site (for example "Fevola in a Bingle") that are completely untrue and simply very distasteful, these are topics I think are damaging and should be stopped.

Deej at the end of the day if there is a change for the better and we improve our leadership then great. If not and Smorgon manages to fight off the challengers then he wins my respect and many others, and who knows this may result in more corporate and high profile powerbrokers feeling more confident in the leadership of the club and being prepared to put money forward.

Either way the club will come out all the more stronger and that is what I want to achieve.
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What worries me is that leaking is only ever done if a) there's a lack of discipline at the club, or b) there's an agenda being pushed. How would i know whether you're Diggins' PA or something? I hope you're right on that last sentence, although you know that'll never be possible whilst leaks exist. I personally couldn't give a crap about wanting to know about the inner workings of the club and the fact that so many people are being told about what happens on the inside is a disaster. That's why in my opinion the leak needs to be removed immediately, because for all the problems happening at the club now, perceived or otherwise, in my opinion the leaking of information to the press is the biggest. I wonder if Diggins, or your source (if they are different individuals), feel this way too?
Obviously not.
So whilst thinking they are doing the right thing, they are actually part of the problem and in my opinion need to be removed.
 

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Jock said:
Deej

I think you are very much in the minority.

Rank and file blues like myself are very interested.
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I'm only interested in watching them on field, I don't barrack for Smorgan or Diggins. I don't mind the positive chat it burns time during the day i guess, I just find all the gossiping and leaking of info from the club as being really destructive. To tell the truth I think it's a waste of time because really what is anyone going to acheive by listening to gossip and negative spin all the time? You won't change what happens at the club i'll tell you that right now, if you want to have a real affect on what's happening I'd say run for the board yourself, otherwise all it's doing is dragging the club further and further down on another medium. Fair dinkum it annoys me this internet thing, cause who the hell is everyone? Who are you jock? You might be the best bloke going but what if the poster 5 spots above you is looney tunes, and he's spreading rumours and bs cause he's a social leper with 1/5th of a life and this is how he gets his kicks? The internet is important and people are ripping us to bits and you're all reading it and taking a lot of it as gospel, what does that do for the average carlton fan's mindset?
Doesn't anyone remember anymore what it was like to be arrogant and have pride in your club?
 
Deej said:
What worries me is that leaking is only ever done if a) there's a lack of discipline at the club, or b) there's an agenda being pushed. How would i know whether you're Diggins' PA or something? I hope you're right on that last sentence, although you know that'll never be possible whilst leaks exist. I personally couldn't give a crap about wanting to know about the inner workings of the club and the fact that so many people are being told about what happens on the inside is a disaster. That's why in my opinion the leak needs to be removed immediately, because for all the problems happening at the club now, perceived or otherwise, in my opinion the leaking of information to the press is the biggest. I wonder if Diggins, or your source (if they are different individuals), feel this way too?
Obviously not.
So whilst thinking they are doing the right thing, they are actually part of the problem and in my opinion need to be removed.
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Deej I am certainly not Lorraine Diggins PA I can assure you.

Like I said earlier if you dont want to know about the goings on at the club then why would you even review these boards. 90% of information posted relates to things that are happening at the club.

And like I said people have different opinions on what is best for the club, if certain information is not known by the average supporter then there would rarely be momentum for change.

Anyway lets agree to disagree on this one but acknowledge that we all have good intentions relating to our club.
 
Blue Thunder said:
Like I said earlier if you dont want to know about the goings on at the club then why would you even review these boards. 90% of information posted relates to things that are happening at the club.
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Yes but that 90% isn't leaks from the club. I'm specifically referring to the leaks, the leak you get the one Caroline Wilson gets, any leak is bad in a situation like this.
 
Deej said:
Yes but that 90% isn't leaks from the club. I'm specifically referring to the leaks, the leak you get the one Caroline Wilson gets, any leak is bad in a situation like this.
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It is definately better to post information that is factual rather than made up innuendo - that is my point.

The details regarding the board challenge is definately of interest to the average supporter and it is important that they know what is happening in this regard. Providing the information is factual and non inflamatory then I see no problem with it.
 
bluegal1983 said:
Any more news on this issue BT?
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Situation is very intriguing at the moment, it has become very politically driven with various members lobbying other board members and powerbrokers.

Smorgon, in an attempt to regain support from the remaining board members, may agree to a change in CEO - not sure when this will happen though.
 

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