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[Floor Pie]

Case and point.

Case IN point*

And I know... That's why I posted it...

 

[John Dawh]

Floor Pie The Coup Kynge of Begrem scon cartwright

what are we doing here?

 

[John Dawh]

Women. Do. Not. Owe. You. Shit.

Not sure where I said that?

ps: heard you are feeding this on your twitter account. Do you think your feminist stance will get you laid or something?

 

[John Dawh]

My hero lol.

Get outside

Feel free to debate any of the points.

 

[Scotland]

bunsen mad.

Right, but still mad. Will be bant within 48 hours surely.

 

[John Dawh]

bunsen mad.

Right, but still mad. Will be bant within 48 hours surely.

2 hours tops.

 

[Scotland]

Why don't you just explain why you think men should be scorned and derided for trying to pick up?

And whilst your there, please explain why you think it's reasonable for women to think it's ok for some men to chat them up but not others? Do you think men should know when their advances will be unwanted.

Before you start mouthing off, why don't you try and have a reasonable discussion.

Women. Do. Not. Owe. You. Shit.

What is so challenging about bunsen's post? Is the sanctimonious and irrelevant response purely because it's bunsen posting?

 

[Floor Pie]

What is so challenging about bunsen's post? Is the sanctimonious and irrelevant response purely because it's bunsen posting?

I think he is saying that women don't owe you a polite and complete explanation if they don't want to give you their number.

I don't think that's an outrageous position to take.

Common courtesy would dictate a polite let down, but there are mitigating circumstances.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

You almost certainly know at least a couple of blokes that have sexually assaulted someone, and probably more than a couple of women that have had that happen to them.

Not necessarily stalking down down an alley sort of stuff. But groping/digital penetration while a woman is really drunk at that sort of thing? Definitely.

what? you need a good lie down.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Not sure where I said that?

ps: heard you are feeding this on your twitter account. Do you think your feminist stance will get you laid or something?

"why you think it's reasonable for women to think it's ok for some men to chat them up but not others"

In other words "If guy A can chat her up, guy B should be able too as well". Nope. She can decide what's okay. Because, you see, women are people. They're capable of making their own decisions. If they don't want a guy to chat her up, that's her choice. She doesn't owe him shit because she's okay with some other guy chatting her up. Just because you're not polite doesn't make you rude.

And yes, I am. Because it's hilarious.

 

[John Dawh]

I think he is saying that women don't owe you a polite and complete explanation if they don't want to give you their number.

I don't think that's an outrageous position to take.

Common courtesy would dictate a polite let down, but there are mitigating circumstances.

This has nothing to do with anything. I too agree that women don't need to provide an explanation. I'm also not complaining about how women treat men or brush them off or whatever. This just isn't a problem and has nothing to do with the discussion.

My point is quite simply:

An awful lot of women are complaining about being being hit on by guys. For some reason they feel men should know if there advances will be unwelcome or not.

It's a ridiculous concept for a number of reasons already explained.

 

[Scotland]

I think he is saying that women don't owe you a polite and complete explanation if they don't want to give you their number.

I don't think that's an outrageous position to take.

Common courtesy would dictate a polite let down, but there are mitigating circumstances.

That's shifting the goalposts a fair distance from bunsen's point.

It's not about 'hey can I buy you a drink?' soliciting either a 'sure' or a 'no thanks', it's about the girl getting her knickers in a twist because the guy dared to ask.

If a girl sits alone at a bar and 10 guys offer to buy her a drink (not at once, obviously) then she might say yes to one and no to the other 9. Anyone who has a problem with that is an idiot. Were the unlucky 9 supposed to know before speaking to the girl that she wasn't interested? The girl wants to reserve the right to judge the 9 she doesn't like for doing exactly the same thing the one she does. That's just ridiculous.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Imma use this thread on Tinder. I'll get ALL the Right Swipes.

 

[Floor Pie]

This has nothing to do with anything. I too agree that women don't need to provide an explanation. I'm also not complaining about how women treat men or brush them off or whatever. This just isn't a problem and has nothing to do with the discussion.

My point is quite simply:

An awful lot of women are complaining about being being hit on by guys. For some reason they feel men should know if there advances will be unwelcome or not.

It's a ridiculous concept for a number of reasons already explained.

No, they are human.
They don't want to be disturbed, but if someone they find very attractive disturbs them, suddenly they will be more welcoming.

This doesn't mean it's always welcomed, or that their aren't a multitude of situations why it still shouldn't be welcomed.

I don't like randoms coming up to me and talking to me when I'm busy. And I don't owe them anything if they do.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Women WANT men to try to chat them up. The problem is they want to pick and choose who is okay to do. George Clooney and Brad Pitt? No problems. Bloke they feel is not up to their standard? How dare that guy think it's okay to try and pick me up!

Get it?

Isn't this normal pick-and-choose behaviour though? If any of these woman walked up to you in a bar

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=ugly women&biw=1067&bih=461&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=PW9kVJiHOOihmQWA0oGoDg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=PfYCzRJddpla_M%3A;rqTwk5-8sXNx-M;http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teamjimmyjoe.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F11%2FFunny-Mug-Shots-ugly-woman.jpg;http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teamjimmyjoe.com%2F2012%2F11%2Ffunny-mug-shots-20-of-worst-bad-crazy%2F;500;625

and attempted to chat you up, how many would you sleep with? It's in your power to say yes or no to these multitudes of women.

Same as any other human.

Apologies, by the way, for slapping that big URL on you. Bigfooty doesn't want me to post images anymore - they keep turning up as blank boxes - not even the [x] kind, either. It's a conspiracy, I tells ya...

 

[Scotland]

No, they are human. They don't want to be disturbed, but if someone they find very attractive disturbs them, suddenly they will be more welcoming.

This is a circular argument.

The guy only knows if his attention is welcome or not after he has disturbed the girl.

 

[John Dawh]

"why you think it's reasonable for women to think it's ok for some men to chat them up but not others"

In other words "If guy A can chat her up, guy B should be able too as well".

Pretty much (but within reason). A 40 year old man should know it's inappropriate to hit on a 20 year girl. But the common complaints are about men in general.

Nope. She can decide what's okay.

And how are men meant to know if the woman thinks it is ok? Mind reading? Jedi?

Of course men could just wait for women to hit on them, but that's unrealistic given current and long standing social norms.

Because, you see, women are people.

Wow. Quite full of yourself, aren't you?

She doesn't owe him shit because she's okay with some other guy chatting her up. Just because you're not polite doesn't make you rude.

Who said anything about "owe"? Who said anything about being rude? Or knock backs or anything else?

Perhaps you are reading what isn'y actually there?

And yes, I am. Because it's hilarious.

You may just be embarrassing yourself....

 

[Raz0r6ack]

Imma use this thread on Tinder. I'll get ALL the Right Swipes.

Go get em slugger

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

This is a circular argument.

The guy only knows if his attention is welcome or not after he has disturbed the girl.

Bon Scott knew this pain...

 

[Floor Pie]

That's shifting the goalposts a fair distance from bunsen's point.

It's not about 'hey can I buy you a drink?' soliciting either a 'sure' or a 'no thanks', it's about the girl getting her knickers in a twist because the guy dared to ask.

If a girl sits alone at a bar and 10 guys offer to buy her a drink (not at once, obviously) then she might say yes to one and no to the other 9. Anyone who has a problem with that is an idiot. Were the unlucky 9 supposed to know before speaking to the girl that she wasn't interested? The girl wants to reserve the right to judge the 9 she doesn't like for doing exactly the same thing the one she does. That's just ridiculous.

I was commenting on his point. I think it was in reference to Bunsen originally saying that women should just accept that it happens?

And "knickers in a twist", is not what I am defending.
If the woman is openly hostile,over the top rude or abusive to the person asking, they are also in the wrong.
But just because a woman is out in public, doesn't mean that she should be approached by ten men. (as per your example)

Women approach men now as well, but it depends on the setting. And a lot of the time, they are much more reasonable with the setting they approach a man.

If I'm sitting and eating a meal with friends or family, I wouldn't enjoy one person approaching me and asking to buy me a drink, let alone ten.

If I'm walking down a street, minding my own business, I don't enjoy people calling out to me.
It's our culture now, to be weary of strangers doing unusual things.

 

[Floor Pie]

This is a circular argument.

The guy only knows if his attention is welcome or not after he has disturbed the girl.

What's wrong with catching someone's eye first?

And no, there isn't a definitive way of knowing for sure, without disturbing the girl. But common courtesy can help pick an appropriate situation.

 

[John Dawh]

That's shifting the goalposts a fair distance from bunsen's point.

It's not about 'hey can I buy you a drink?' soliciting either a 'sure' or a 'no thanks', it's about the girl getting her knickers in a twist because the guy dared to ask.

Precisely my point.

If a girl sits alone at a bar and 10 guys offer to buy her a drink (not at once, obviously) then she might say yes to one and no to the other 9. Anyone who has a problem with that is an idiot.

Absolutely.

Were the unlucky 9 supposed to know before speaking to the girl that she wasn't interested? The girl wants to reserve the right to judge the 9 she doesn't like for doing exactly the same thing the one she does. That's just ridiculous.

It seems that's what many a feminist, along with MWNN is trying to say.

 

[John Dawh]

I was commenting on his point. I think it was in reference to Bunsen originally saying that women should just accept that it happens?

And so they should.

Society has dictated that the norm is for men to approach women. As long as there is no disprespect shown, then women need to suck it up. There's countless articles by women bemoaning being hit on by guys they're not interested in. They need some perspective.

But just because a woman is out in public, doesn't mean that she should be approached by ten men. (as per your example)

But how does prospect number 10 know that 9 other guys have already approached? It's unrealistic. Women need to suck it up.

Women get hit on, men get rejected. Both unpalatable yet publicly only women are campaigning about it as if hitting on women is a crime if you're not the one she's interested in.

If I'm sitting and eating a meal with friends or family, I wouldn't enjoy one person approaching me and asking to buy me a drink, let alone ten.

Sure, but that's life. Suck it up. Stop thinking men should know before they approach whether the woman is interested.

 

[John Dawh]

What's wrong with catching someone's eye first?

This is part of what women are complaining about. They don't want guys they aren't interested in, catching their eye. It's only ok for guys they are interested in.

Apparently men are just meant to know?

 

[John Dawh]

lol k

How's it working for you? Got a date yet?