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[Herne Hill Hammer]

I'm unconvinced at this harsh welfare policies is the vote winner that it once was. The current work environment is such that people can see that they're working payday to payday and realising that they're a misstep or small downturn away from being on the dole queue themselves, and we've got both ACOSS and the Business Council saying that it's patently inadequate. Labor are typically weak on this too, a roots and branch review sounds like code for kicking the issue down the road.

I turn 50 next month, I have a wife and 2 school aged kids. If I lose my job / get made redundant for whatever reason, I'm under no illusions, I'll be farked.

Without a trade or formal qualifications things would be extremely tough. I have done shit jobs in the long ago past to tide me over in between more meaningful employment. I've dealt with clueless young 20 somethings in the past at employment agencies and I've dealt with clueless HR types with my current employer when looking at internal transfers. I don't fit into any preferred demographic. The outlook for me would be bleak.

At some point, something's got to give, we can't continue on our current path, we just can't afford the ballooning welfare bill anymore. We need a completely new plan and new ideas, hopefully one that includes non-paying corporations ponying up.

 

[bombersfan4000]

Typical dole bludger. Everything has to be done for you, and you refuse any concept of self reliance or personal responsibility.

Accommodation in south yarra can be had for $138 a week. South Yarra often comes up in best suburbs lists.

https://flatmates.com.au/P547482

You will get rental assistance. I'm not sure of the amount, but lets say $70 a week. That leaves you about $200/week to feed and clothe yourself.

There are 3 op shops within walking distance for clothing. Here's one on trendy Chapel St.

Sacred Heart Mission op shop
86/88 Chapel st Prahran.

Eat at these establishments
Cheap Eats on Chapel Street for Under $10!
https://www.theurbanlist.com/melbourne/a-list/10-cheap-eats-chapel-street-under-10

The whole issue is a storm in a tea cup. & blown out of proportion by the usual limited minded loons! Aka the left! Newstart is not meant as a long term form of income! It’s a basic wage to pay your rent on and the odd bill!
It is expect people do have some form of savings!

Something that kids don’t do and are not taught now days!

 

[Bombermania]

Typical dole bludger. Everything has to be done for you, and you refuse any concept of self reliance or personal responsibility.

Accommodation in south yarra can be had for $138 a week. South Yarra often comes up in best suburbs lists.

https://flatmates.com.au/P547482

You will get rental assistance. I'm not sure of the amount, but lets say $70 a week. That leaves you about $200/week to feed and clothe yourself.

There are 3 op shops within walking distance for clothing. Here's one on trendy Chapel St.

Sacred Heart Mission op shop
86/88 Chapel st Prahran.

Eat at these establishments
Cheap Eats on Chapel Street for Under $10!
https://www.theurbanlist.com/melbourne/a-list/10-cheap-eats-chapel-street-under-10

Before I comment, I am very much employed but the current Newstart and for that matter DSP payment are an insult to economic reality, sure you can come up with tight arse ways to live which may be perfectly fine for a single university student whose only real activity is to turn up to lectures or for a few weeks but for an adult with responsibilities or for anyone wanting to present as a professional, the current Newstart and DSP are counter productive at their current levels and should be higher.

Before anyone says but what about the budget, the best thing to do is to make it plausible for a job seeker to be active in building both their professional network and relationships with recruiters rather than forcing them to apply for jobs for the sake of doing so.

If Australia is too broke to afford higher Newstart and DSP then we are too broke to afford my last tax cut and the idea that people should focus on manual work shows a lack of understanding of the modern labour market.

Not everyone can do manual low end work and in most cases employers in those segments will only hire younger workers as they know that is more aligned to their skill set rather than the skill set of more experienced candidates.

 

[NSWCROW]

Tim Wilson doing the libs NO favors here

 

[NSWCROW]

 

[bombersfan4000]

Tim Wilson doing the libs NO favors here

He is no lefty loon!
Welfare for all! Increased amount with no means testing! Funded by the imaginary money tree from utopia!

 

[bombersfan4000]

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The country is in massive debt! And the greens want to continue to shut industry down & open the doors to endless refugees!
New start is there to help people with rent but encourage them to get a job

Then pension is for people who have paid taxes most of their life and of old age or a disability who cannot work any more!

 

[NSWCROW]

The country is in massive debt! And the greens want to continue to shut industry down & open the doors to endless refugees!
New start is there to help people with rent but encourage them to get a job

Then pension is for people who have paid taxes most of their life and of old age or a disability who cannot work any more!

 

[Bombermania]

He is no lefty loon!
Welfare for all! Increased amount with no means testing! Funded by the imaginary money tree from utopia!

What! since when was welfare not means tested, if you are referring to the UBI, that would work the same as the current tax system does if you choose to pay more tax than required you then receive a refund from the ATO.

 

[Bombermania]

The country is in massive debt! And the greens want to continue to shut industry down & open the doors to endless refugees!
New start is there to help people with rent but encourage them to get a job

Then pension is for people who have paid taxes most of their life and of old age or a disability who cannot work any more!

By global standards Australia's debt is low and manageable, it could be brought back to surplus with minimal effort as the government currently allows activities which reduce its revenue or increase its spending.

 

[Big_Luch]

What should the Newstart allowance be (dollar wise)?

 

[GreyCrow]

What should the Newstart allowance be (dollar wise)?

I wont give a figure , ok I might imply a figure, but there has been many calls for a Living Allowance / Standard Income of $25000 per year Thats just under double NSA

 

[Bombermania]

What should the Newstart allowance be (dollar wise)?

I would have Newstart at $750 per fortnight or $19,500 a year which would still be lower than the minimum wage so it couldn't be seen as an incentive to not work.

 

[Colin Northcott]

I may need them shortly. Pay me what I need all or ill go all Mossie Park on your arse punk.

 

[Colin Northcott]

PS: Mossies have never lost a blue. Ever.

 

[edgie]

Well can’t help you then sorry mate

Lol big surprise there

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[edgie]

Printing costs? You email your resume like a normal person.


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With what phone or computer or internet connection? And many employers stipulate for physical resumes and written cover letters.

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[edgie]

****ing equally clueless, loud, and fortunate some people are. No idea.

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[skipper kelly]

For anyone reading this that has to attend a job centre make sure you hit them up for some new clothes. They have the capacity to help you with this, although they don't advertise it.

 

[Tassieboy]

I wont give a figure , ok I might imply a figure, but there has been many calls for a Living Allowance / Standard Income of $25000 per year Thats just under double NSA

That’d be great. Who funds it? Why get a minimum wage job for little more money? Absurd proposal. Anyhow, I’d just sit back and retire at 23.

 

[bombersfan4000]

By global standards Australia's debt is low and manageable, it could be brought back to surplus with minimal effort as the government currently allows activities which reduce its revenue or increase its spending.

And do you see the reducing in the budget happening, migrant intake & tax cuts for busines and tax payer!

 

[GreyCrow]

That’d be great. Who funds it? Why get a minimum wage job for little more money? Absurd proposal. Anyhow, I’d just sit back and retire at 23.

No problems. You retiring opens up jobs for 1 other person. Minimum wage has to be better than Income Support.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/03/finland-trials-basic-income-for-unemployed

http://www.news.com.au/finance/mone...e/news-story/44d7a5f1076cc2262a6b44e200374055

The country’s current social security system features a number of income-tested benefits such as housing allowance, labour market subsidy, and social assistance, which are all paid and weighed separately. This throws up a number of serious roadblocks when it comes to transitioning to work.

“The joint effect of these layered benefits is that if a person who is receiving these benefits finds a job, his or her effective marginal tax rate becomes very high — 80 to 100 per cent — and consequently, work does not necessarily pay,” Kangas notes.

“The Government also refers to ‘bureaucratic traps’: situations where the claimants lose their benefits for certain periods of time, or have too-long waiting periods when shifting between employment and social security which makes the claimants hesitant to accept short-term job offers.”

Kangas cites further difficulties in combining social benefits and short-term employment, pointing out that recent changes in the labour market: zero hour contracts, new forms of self-employment, and what he refers to as “precarious work”, were all reasons for the Government’s initiative.

There has been much commentary over the last 2 years on this and other threads about the difficulties involved in short term work and the requirements of reporting. The system is broken.

The Universal Basic Income (UBI) replaces ALL models of welfare. Disability, NSA and Aged Pension. There are a number of people who for some reason or another , criminal record, addiction issues, mental health issues, chronic health issues and age who all struggle in the current labour model. Yet there is still an expectation that each go through the sham of looking for work.

I have no doubt it will be exploited, but you cant say the current system isnt exploited. Its an idea that we need to have a discussion about

 

[Bombermania]

And do you see the reducing in the budget happening, migrant intake & tax cuts for busines and tax payer!

This government has been largely about playing politics than governing which is why it has repeatable struggled to get the public onside, compare this with the Keating/Howard Governments which were more about policy than the game playing we have seen since.

 

[Number37]

At some point, something's got to give, we can't continue on our current path, we just can't afford the ballooning welfare bill anymore. We need a completely new plan and new ideas, hopefully one that includes non-paying corporations ponying up.

By far the largest growth in govt spending over the next 40 years is going to be health.

Jobseeker welfare is always a function of the state of the economy. On the other hand, health spending has diddely to do with the state of the economy.

If we want to talk about govt spending we should at least try to do so sans the usual RW bullshit.

 

[Rob R]

The government could do a lot more to help out both in terms of Centrelink service and welfare payments. We should be cutting foreign aid a lot more (and cut our refugee intake back to 1000-2000 given we have taken in far too many for years relevant to the size of our population) to fund more money for Australians on welfare, cut the number of fat cat public servants in Canberra to fund more service delivery personnel, cut all interpreters in the Department of Human Services and all other government departments IOT fund more service delivery (if you can't speak English or an aboriginal language, why should the taxpayers have to pay for you).