Changes v Geelong

[Longy413]

I'd like to know how attempting to strike can be graded as low impact and high contact.

He's an angry young man on the field Henry, I like that about him. But bloody hell, surely attempting to strike means there is no impact and no contact.

 

[Karlostj]

I'd like to know how attempting to strike can be graded as low impact and high contact.

He's an angry young man on the field Henry, I like that about him. But bloody hell, surely attempting to strike means there is no impact and no contact.

He's not the only guy to get done for it - Hedland got done as well and Brodie Holland got done for attempting to strike Hird on ANZAC day.

I guess if he tries to hit someone then its not far different from actually hitting him...

It depends a lot on whether slattery actually did mean to hit him?

He has got some mongrel Slattery, but needs to control it a bit more!

thats his 2nd citing in the AFL and he's been suspended in the VFL as well.

 

[CjohnsRun]

B: MJohnson Fletcher Welsh
HB:Mcphee Lee NLM
C:Winders JJ Heffernan
HF: Lonergan Lucas Solomon
FF: Laycock Johns Stanton
FOL:Hille McVeigh Watson
Inter:Nash Jolley Dyson Slattery(if not susp.)

In: Lee Jolley, Lonergan
OUt: Bradley, Pev, Bolton

 

[djharps]

would help if gary ablett gets suspended.. i can say that yeah? we need all the help we can get

 

[kriso182]

Gary Ablett is only getting a reprimand. Even if he loses the appeal he is free to play on Friday night.

 

[djharps]

Gary Ablett is only getting a reprimand. Even if he loses the appeal he is free to play on Friday night.

oh well hasnt been that great this year anyway

 

[Longy413]

oh well hasnt been that great this year anyway

People keep saying that, I haven't seen a lot of Geelong this year, but I have seen them play the last two weeks and he has been impressive.

Going on stats alone, he's having the best season of his career.
More disposals, more goals, more marks.

Slattery probably would have played on him.

 

[Philzsay]

People keep saying that, I haven't seen a lot of Geelong this year, but I have seen them play the last two weeks and he has been impressive.

Going on stats alone, he's having the best season of his career.
More disposals, more goals, more marks.

Slattery probably would have played on him.

I have seen every Geelong game and I agree with you Longy.

While he has had a couple of quiet games, the majority of the year he has been one of the Cat's better performers. Make no mistake this kid can play!

He will be the danger man for us this week. (The only person I fear more is if Kingsley plays and kicks 8 against us. We are starting to develop a reputation of playing opposition key forwards into form).

 

[douggie the don]

In: JJ, Reynolds, Campo (if avaliable) Lee and/or Lonergan

Out: Bradley, Slatts, Monfries, Pev

Time to give Gus a run in the 2's. The kid spent too much time on the weekend chasing opposition tail. (often not his direct opponent). Let him spend some good time in the bendigo midfield along with Ryder and Dempsey, while we all get a better look at the fringe players like Dyson, Winderlich, Reynolds and Nash.
JJ and Campo will come back in (if they can) to boost the midfield.
Reynolds should be rewarded on form. Give him at least 9 of the next 12 games and he may well prove many people wrong.
Didn't see the Bendigo game but there definately should be 1 or 2 debutant's this week. it'll probably come down to match-up's for who get's the call up..

 

[djharps]

In: JJ, Reynolds, Campo (if avaliable) Lee and/or Lonergan

Out: Bradley, Slatts, Monfries, Pev

Time to give Gus a run in the 2's. The kid spent too much time on the weekend chasing opposition tail. (often not his direct opponent). Let him spend some good time in the bendigo midfield along with Ryder and Dempsey, while we all get a better look at the fringe players like Dyson, Winderlich, Reynolds and Nash.
JJ and Campo will come back in (if they can) to boost the midfield.
Reynolds should be rewarded on form. Give him at least 9 of the next 12 games and he may well prove many people wrong.
Didn't see the Bendigo game but there definately should be 1 or 2 debutant's this week. it'll probably come down to match-up's for who get's the call up..

i agree, but i think of late winderlich is better than a fringe player, would say bolton is more of a fringe player than winders

 

[DaSawx]

i agree, but i think of late winderlich is better than a fringe player, would say bolton is more of a fringe player than winders

Good call, Winders should play the rest of the year, he is good enough IMO.

JJ and Campo need to come back soon, these kids need to experience a win or two

 

[Daytripper]

In : JJ, Ryder,Dempsey
Out : Slattery, Bradley, Monfries

Keep Pev in the side. Geelongs midfielders are slowish and maybe he can do a job on Corey, Ling, Kelly or Bartel.

Ryder comes in for Kepler and swaps with Hille in the ruck.
Play Laycock as a permanent forward with Johns and try and expose the Cats for height down back. With Harley out, they are vulnerable.

JJ is a natural replacement for Slattery.

Monfries needs a spell. Lets give Courtney another go. The cats are slow and tire in the last half. If we're less than 3 goals behind at 1/2 time let him and Dyson loose with instructions to run and take players on.

Camporeale needs at least one game in the twos for match fitness. Reynolds is not up to AFL standard.

Stuff this playing for last position crap. I want to win and this is a pretty good chance for us.

 

[douggie the don]

i agree, but i think of late winderlich is better than a fringe player, would say bolton is more of a fringe player than winders

You're right to some degree i guess. Winda has been alright of late but i still feel that there aren't enough stringts in his bow to make it at the top level for Essendon.
IMO, he doesn't do enough with the ball when he gets it, he's not explosive enough off the mark (or doesn't use his pace to advantage). he's not big enough.
I like him (don't get me wrong) but i feel that if we're to build a top notch midfield over the next few years. A player like him is quite likely to be, out skilled, out sized, out ran, out smarted, by our other young talent coming through. There's no area or skill set which he can make his own.

 

[djharps]

You're right to some degree i guess. Winda has been alright of late but i still feel that there aren't enough stringts in his bow to make it at the top level for Essendon.
IMO, he doesn't do enough with the ball when he gets it, he's not explosive enough off the mark (or doesn't use his pace to advantage). he's not big enough.
I like him (don't get me wrong) but i feel that if we're to build a top notch midfield over the next few years. A player like him is quite likely to be, out skilled, out sized, out ran, out smarted, by our other young talent coming through. There's no area or skill set which he can make his own.

i think he provides quick drive into the forward line and crumber, id like to see him forward a few games to see what sort of impact he can have when the ball hits the deck

 

[jules101]

You're right to some degree i guess. Winda has been alright of late but i still feel that there aren't enough stringts in his bow to make it at the top level for Essendon.
IMO, he doesn't do enough with the ball when he gets it, he's not explosive enough off the mark (or doesn't use his pace to advantage). he's not big enough.
I like him (don't get me wrong) but i feel that if we're to build a top notch midfield over the next few years. A player like him is quite likely to be, out skilled, out sized, out ran, out smarted, by our other young talent coming through. There's no area or skill set which he can make his own.

Mcveigh and winder have looked like they been the only players trying in the last 2 weeks!
I think winderlich has improved a lot, no he will never be Chris Judd but if he is a hardworking midfielder who tries his heart out week in week out thats all you can ask from him.

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[douggie the don]

Mcveigh and winder have looked like they been the only players trying in the last 2 weeks!
I think winderlich has improved a lot, no he will never be Chris Judd but if he is a hardworking midfielder who tries his heart out week in week out thats all you can ask from him.

DAM BIGFOOTY AND ITS INCREASED POPULARITY!!! everytime i try post this i get that message...

I think "hardworking midfielder who tries his heart out week in week out" is the kind of term that in an ideal situation should be reserved for a JJ, Stanton or Slattery type. We desperately need pace and polish in the midfield and i feel Winda doesn't offer an over abundance of either to make a difference going forward. He's not as strong as JJ, Jobe, McPhee and McVeigh. Not as quick as Lovett, Dempsey and Dyson, and Monfries has gone past him.
However, i still believe he has earned the opportunity to have an extended run in the senior side. IMO, he has the rest of the season to find something that he can consistantly bring to the team and hang his hat on .
(eg Demsey/pace, Stanton/engine, Monfries/courage, Jobe/contests Nash/skills, Dyson/goal sense)

 

[Longy413]

I can't believe people don't rate Winderlich's pace, or skills for that matter.
He most definately has explosive pace and is only now finding the confidence to use it from a contested situation.

He has good pace, good courage, good skills, good engine and good goal sense. He doesn't excel at any in particular like a few other blokes do, but he does have the skill set to make it as an AFL footballer.

He'll be a good footballer and with continued game time, we'll begin to see that. His last couple of weeks have been very good.

 

[jules101]

I can't believe people don't rate Winderlich's pace, or skills for that matter.
He most definately has explosive pace and is only now finding the confidence to use it from a contested situation.

He has good pace, good courage, good skills, good engine and good goal sense. He doesn't excel at any in particular like a few other blokes do, but he does have the skill set to make it as an AFL footballer.

He'll be a good footballer and with continued game time, we'll begin to see that. His last couple of weeks have been very good.

Agree with you totally Longy. His last few weeks have been good.

I think "hardworking midfielder who tries his heart out week in week out" is the kind of term that in an ideal situation should be reserved for a JJ, Stanton or Slattery type. We desperately need pace and polish in the midfield and i feel Winda doesn't offer an over abundance of either to make a difference going forward. He's not as strong as JJ, Jobe, McPhee and McVeigh. Not as quick as Lovett, Dempsey and Dyson, and Monfries has gone past him.
However, i still believe he has earned the opportunity to have an extended run in the senior side. IMO, he has the rest of the season to find something that he can consistantly bring to the team and hang his hat on .
(eg Demsey/pace, Stanton/engine, Monfries/courage, Jobe/contests Nash/skills, Dyson/goal sense)

Winda does have pace. That has never been his worry. Winderlich's problem was that a. he had trouble finding the ball and b. when he had the ball he didnt always use it well. I think that in the last few games he has shown that he has improved. I dont think monfries has gone past him quite yet. Monfries will be a great player for the club but he still has a fair way to go.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

I can't believe people don't rate Winderlich's pace, or skills for that matter.
He most definately has explosive pace and is only now finding the confidence to use it from a contested situation.

He has good pace, good courage, good skills, good engine and good goal sense. He doesn't excel at any in particular like a few other blokes do, but he does have the skill set to make it as an AFL footballer.

He'll be a good footballer and with continued game time, we'll begin to see that. His last couple of weeks have been very good.

His skills are just ok. Not a long kick either. He is quick but not that quick and is a twig. How many times has he been run down with the footy.

The thing I have liked about him recently is that he has really tried and has run hard to create space.

He has earned his spot in the team but his spot on the list is till undecided.

To me, he seems like he has to bust his balls everytime just to have a chance of getting the footy. That and he is still a twig after 3 or 4 pre-seasons.

50-50 if he is to stay or go.

 

[Daytripper]

His skills are just ok. Not a long kick either. He is quick but not that quick and is a twig. How many times has he been run down with the footy.

The thing I have liked about him recently is that he has really tried and has run hard to create space.

He has earned his spot in the team but his spot on the list is till undecided.

To me, he seems like he has to bust his balls everytime just to have a chance of getting the footy. That and he is still a twig after 3 or 4 pre-seasons.

50-50 if he is to stay or go.

I'm not a huge fan of Winders but have seen some improvement in recent weeks.

Would be loath to let him go at the end of the year when you look at the rate of improvement of players like Dane Swan (this season) and Daniel Cross (last season).

Maybe Winders can do the same next year.

 

[douggie the don]

Don't get me wrong. I'd like nothing more than for Winda to blossum into an explosive midfielder that breaks the lines. But if he doesn't show that he can add that kind of element to his game by the end of the season, then i'm not sure where he will slot in.
Personally, i believe Reynolds is as good a prospect as Winda and they should both be given ample opportunity to prove themselves before the season is out.

 

[Longy413]

His skills are just ok. Not a long kick either.

IMO, he's better than okay. I reckon his foot skills are very good and he definately gets good depth on his kicks. He's not a Scott Lucas type long kick, but he certainly has 50m covered. He kicks the ball low and hard.

He is quick but not that quick and is a twig. How many times has he been run down with the footy.

He is quick, in the quickest few at the club. And he does need to bulk up, but he's only one KG lighter than Campo and he's been in the system for 10+ years. Although Licha is considerably taller.

He has been run down with the footy a number of times, but not because of a lack of pace, but rather because he lacked the confidence to use his pace. More game time has seen that confidence grow in recent weeks and as a result he's used his pace more often and has been caught with the ball less.

He has earned his spot in the team but his spot on the list is till undecided.

Of course, but he's not on his Pat Malone there.

To me, he seems like he has to bust his balls everytime just to have a chance of getting the footy.

You make that sound like it's a negative. It's not like we have a plethora of midfielders at the moment that are willing to put their head down, work hard, create space or create an option.

 

[djharps]

does anyone remember those photos of ben cousins in the paper about 4-5 years ago.. it was a before/after pre-season and he bulked up to the extent that it looked like he used performance enhancing drugs (he didnt), if winders applies his work ethic from on the field in the gym give him one or two preseasons and he should add a few kilos he should be fine..

and for all you doubting his leg speed here is what i have to say:

"Probably, one of the outstanding players for what they did over the summer, and has definitely taken the next step with his attitude and fitness levels. Has been in the system for three or four years and it is time for him to really put his hand up. He is the current quickest player on the list and after testing over the summer he has the biggest potential for improvement for endurance, so if he can get to the levels he is capable of he will be a very exciting prospect"
-qouted by wallis (assistant coach) on essendonfc.com

so be the judge i think he has taken the next step this year as wallis hoped

 

[douggie the don]

does anyone remember those photos of ben cousins in the paper about 4-5 years ago.. it was a before/after pre-season and he bulked up to the extent that it looked like he used performance enhancing drugs (he didnt), if winders applies his work ethic from on the field in the gym give him one or two preseasons and he should add a few kilos he should be fine..

and for all you doubting his leg speed here is what i have to say:

"Probably, one of the outstanding players for what they did over the summer, and has definitely taken the next step with his attitude and fitness levels. Has been in the system for three or four years and it is time for him to really put his hand up. He is the current quickest player on the list and after testing over the summer he has the biggest potential for improvement for endurance, so if he can get to the levels he is capable of he will be a very exciting prospect"
-qouted by wallis (assistant coach) on essendonfc.com

so be the judge i think he has taken the next step this year as wallis
hoped

Was that before or after the article about how Rioli is fitter than he's ever been and ready to repay the faith.....

 

[Silky]

IN: Hille
OUT: McIntosh

What do people think of Hille as a dream teamer?