Cheater!

[Rohan_]

Has anyone read about the Asian student who cheated by getting someone else to sit the exam? Now before you go pointing fingers at me and calling me a racist I would like to point out that Asians at our school were caught by VBOS (they control studies) for cheating in their Chemistry VCE 3/4 exams.

 

[JUBJUB]

Whats your point ?
He's lucky they didn't kick him out.

 

[Rohan_]

Originally posted by JUBJUB
He's lucky they didn't kick him out.

I wonder if they would have kicked him out if he was Australian. Universities make an absolute killing by taking on International Students.

 

[JUBJUB]

So will the next person who gets their tutor to sit an exam be let off ?
I doubt it.

The amazing part is the guy was allowed to re-sit the test.

 

[knuckles]

Its a "cultural" thing. China promotes plagarism and copying. Ask Intel and Sun. Hence the cut and paste mentality to doing assignments. Wheras Japan promoted copying, but improving. The next jabroni that tells me patent rules are too tight, I will crush their brains out their ears.

Asian schools are full of cheats. Especially in Singapore and India. There are many transgressions every semester, most kept out of the media by the govt. The whole rote learning system is based on memory and regurgitation. So when they go to a tertiary Australian school, in Australia, they really battle with the non rote, thinking, analytical approach. Hence they will try to cheat. My parents have hosted 30+ students from Asia in Melb. 8 had exams / assignment results disallowed because of cheating.2 expelled from school. This mentaility, in the norm, continues through their professional careers.
At the last high school finals in Singapore, 40% + received "A" averages. Govt boasted how good a result it was. People with brains realised how flawed it was. Funnily enough, English received a 50% A average. Obviously these guys never work for MNC's here. English skills have never been worse here. Older (40+) Singaporeans generally have very good English reading and writing skills. The younger generation - dreadful.

 

[bunsen burner]

I know a guy who got a gradute position with PWC. They went to Florida to do their induction. They had to do a heap of tests, mainly involving C++ and Java. Apparently there were a lot of Asian students who had excellent uni results, but knew next to nothing. The supervisor cottoned on and separated them during the tests. Subsequently, many of them failed and were terminated by PWC before their 3 month trial finished. Ha Ha!

 

[Lorelei]

I was a student at RMIT.

In a faculty that is a majority of International Students. Paying BIG $$,

Now, a majority of my subjects encounted A LOT of group work. I can safely say in these groups, the work that I would be submitting or reading would be of maybe a year 7 level. And that is being lucky.

I could post forever about this and may do so when I get home. The universities have A LOT to answer for with their acceptance of students. Thus, how could the student who shot at Monash be at honors level and need an interpreter at a police interview?

They are accepted into these universities and pay huge dollars but it is cruel and un necessary what they go through to try and understand the work and the pressure this places on them are immense. And at the same time what about those students who slave their butts off here doing year 12 english and working through the VCE to miss out on places?

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!

Jen

 

[knuckles]

I'll add that international students are good for local students. They add and subidise local uni places. Not to mention all the overseas students at OZ unis OS. Is good. Their study habits and education grounding (mainly Asia. Euro and Sth American - not so bad, sometimes better) aren't.

I certainly hope we don't go down the affirmative action road that is in the US, and has got the University of Chicago in deep poop.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

I remember back in High School the Asians used to get incredibly high assignment marks in the VCE. To the point that most teachers expected our yr level to be one of the best at the school ever. But when the exams came, they struggled. Only one of them got a respectable ENTER, and thats cause his parents forked out heavily for private tutors. I remember there was also one incident where they stole the questions for a Maths assignment once, which was meant to be done under exam conditions. Naturally they all aced it.

 

[Tigers_Goddess]

Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes
Only one of them got a respectable ENTER, and thats cause his parents forked out heavily for private tutors.

There was a girl like that at my school last year she got an enter of 96.6 or something like that and the school made such a big deal about it. They didn't tell us she had tutors though. I talked to a girl who was in her class and she said that the girl didn't do anything at school she went home and did all her work with her tutors

 

[Sydneyfan]

Originally posted by knuckles


I certainly hope we don't go down the affirmative action road that is in the US, and has got the University of Chicago in deep poop.

Have the University of Chicago gone to the extreme that since there's (say) proportionally 50% Caucasian, 20% African American, 20% Hispanic, 10% Asian people in the Chicago region, then in every course, there'll the same proportion of students regardless of merit?

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by Rohan_
I wonder if they would have kicked him out if he was Australian. Universities make an absolute killing by taking on International Students.

So why not say "International student" why why single out one race?

 

[knuckles]

Originally posted by Sydneyfan
Have the University of Chicago gone to the extreme that since there's (say) proportionally 50% Caucasian, 20% African American, 20% Hispanic, 10% Asian people in the Chicago region, then in every course, there'll the same proportion of students regardless of merit?

Pretty much so. In other words, if you are a white with 90%, but the black / hispanic has 70%, the b/h student will get in ahead if all the "white" spots are already filled. One of the teachers got hold of the assessment for admittance form, and it actually weighted people up or down based on race. Nobody knew about it. They thought where it said race on the application form was just for statistical purposes. Now everyone applying is of hispanic origin
A white chick is dragging the school through the Supreme court b/c of this. She got a 90 mark and rejected. US law allows this type of weighting, in some rarely seen statute, but it does say that it shouldn't be the ONLY factor, and not the largest. Chigago uni weight it 30/100, good admittance essay 1/100, good results below 30.

 

[Sydneyfan]

In that case I'd definitely change my name to Roberto Carlos Gonzalez, Hispanic names sound so cool!

 

[Desredandwhite]

Well I can understand why they do it, though. The pressure you're under coming from an Asian family can be pretty full-on. I'm of Asian descent, and my parents are actually pretty cool about everything, but I've seen the rubbish that others have to go through. the results are everything, and there's pretty vicious "my son/daughter did better than yours in XXX subject" competitions going on.

As a previous poster mentioned, the method of learning is different too. I arrived in Australia from Malaysia when I was 12, but since English was my first language, I fitted in pretty well - by the end of my first year here, I pretty much considered myself an Aussie. In year 11/12, I did 3U maths, alongside the predominantly chinese/korean students who also did 4U maths. They would score brilliantly, I would scrape together passes (because I was up the back talking about music, or movies, or TV, or whatever). Then each year in the maths comp, I would kick all their arses with ease - the questions depended on problem-solving, logic.

So for the international students, to be dumped away from home, struggling with the language, with a different learning/teaching style... you can see why some would resort to it. Sad, but true.

 

[myee8]

I am Asian but i am not an International Student as i am naturalised a long time ago (about 1991ish). I know have spent much more of my life in Australia, and consider myself much more tuned into the Australian culture than a lot more Asians i know of. I love my footy, love the girls, and love the life here.

I know of international students at uni, but a lot of them weren't that smart. Maybe it's coz of their lack of grasp of Australian culture of English, but they just didn't know their way around things. They are just so ignorant of how things are here and think they are back home. They plagarise like you wouldn't believe, talk so loud in buses, are crap drivers (in their P plated Honda sports cars) and are just act to dumb for students who i know are getting good grades. I was with a mate photocopying stuff for a project. I remember reading an article on this girl here at Curtin Uni who plagarise in one of her exams and got caught, but yet was allowed to continue in her enrolment. Yes you guessed it, she was an international student. I am just tired of hearing about these students.

Culture wise there is indeed a lot of comparing as in so and so is doing medicine (i am only doing a double-major in e-commerce and marketing) or so and so is a lawyer, doctor etc etc. Mum used to be like this and apparently had negative connotations to TAFE, but one day i got sick of her ramblings on and put her in her place. Now she knows better about these things from what i have experienced, and she is less narrow-minded. For some reason my relatives are pretty cool in that they just want me to do my own thing and be happy in what i do.

More to come.

 

[Dogwatcher]

Thanks guys, this is a really interesting thread. Great to see it being discussed rationally without name calling.