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After the krooz's laster qtr is it fair to say he should be at CHF permanent for the rest of the season and let the other boys handle the ruck. I know kreuzer is a ruckman mould but so was sticks, hes a big guy, with a big tank and can pick the ball up at his feet like cox can do, is it worth bulking him up and trying to fill this void we have a CHF?? cloke has come in leaps and bounds so far this year, and with hampson starting to get a game, leave those two to ruck and hopefully try and create some sort of forward structure that can work. any thoughts?
 
I think Cloke is more suited as a CHF and Kruez as a Ruck.

Kreuz needs to develop physically before he will be able to complete fully in the ruck
 
its still too hard to say. id reckon kreuzer as a CHF, cloke as RM, looking at 2nite. but yea, still too early to say.
 
bluejudd said:
I think Cloke is more suited as a CHF and Kruez as a Ruck.

Kreuz needs to develop physically before he will be able to complete fully in the ruck[/quote]

Agree. chf's are overatted there is no such thing really anymore. Brown, pavlich they play out of the square the same as a loyd or fev. what we need is just another quality tall to give fev a chop out and make the defenders accountable.
I honeslty believe if we want someone to lead up from about 40-50 mtrs out wiggins is the man with fev/kruez/fisher in the forward 50.
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The kid had one good quarter and you think our CHF problem is solved. Seriously... People are very quick to get over exited, and just as quick to bag players when things go wrong. I think Kruezer is lucky to be in the team after 3 VERY quiet weeks and one good quarter you think he should be CHF. He will get found out on a quality backman!
 
We do need another option to kick to in the forward line, but I reckon all 3 - Kreuze, Hammer and Clockey - can all float forward and rotate through there.
 
Quality CHF's are worth their weight in gold. They offer a strong presence anywhere from our offensive 50 to our defensive 50, aswell as doubling back and kicking a goal or 2. A bloke like Reiwoldt(who Ive been pretty harsh on) would fit in perfectly to our best 22. As much as I think hes a wuss and a pretty boy he would fill that gaping hole at CHF with his long hard leads and overhead marking abilities.

These days you see little blokes with really good hands. Guys like Wiggins, Stokes, Medhurst, and Betts(to a lesser extent) playing that lead up roll from half forward. Times have changed.
 
Prefer Fisher as our lead up forward and Fev and Kreuz inside 50.

Kreuz gives us a very tall option up there. Could prove to be a nightmare for the opposition.
 
watching tapes of krooz after we drafted him (yes my life is really that sad) i thought he could be a franklin type forward who had the ability to pinch hit in the ruck and on ball. last night he proved he was a strong target and if he could do that consistently that would be awesome, however i agree with previous posts that its too early to label him our chf saviour after one quarter.
 
all im trying to say is that we should persist with kreuze at CHF instead of throwing him in the ruck. try and define his position more, and hopefully more stability will come. id prefer kreuze at CHF because hes a big presence, has the tank to run upfield, and has a good set of hands on him. take a defender away from fev and fish and each of them one out on their defenders should win contests in the square. whats stopping fevs goal flow is the defender will drop back into fevs path at the ball and spoil. fish is trying to mark in pack situations with 3 defenders trying to punch it away. with a presence like kreuze playing in and around CHF it should make the opposition defenders more accountable. my personal opinion is if you give kreuze the job of developing into a forward, he will excel faster there than when hes thrown in the ruck with guys twice his build, and just gets flung out of the way.
 
koutamarto said:
bluejudd said:
I think Cloke is more suited as a CHF and Kruez as a Ruck.

Kreuz needs to develop physically before he will be able to complete fully in the ruck[/quote]

Agree. chf's are overatted there is no such thing really anymore. Brown, pavlich they play out of the square the same as a loyd or fev. what we need is just another quality tall to give fev a chop out and make the defenders accountable.
I honeslty believe if we want someone to lead up from about 40-50 mtrs out wiggins is the man with fev/kruez/fisher in the forward 50.
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At last,someone agrees to get Wiggins into the forward 50 as a lad up forward. It may have to be at the expense of Fisher ????
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blues_gibbo6 said:
After the krooz's laster qtr is it fair to say he should be at CHF permanent for the rest of the season and let the other boys handle the ruck. I know kreuzer is a ruckman mould but so was sticks, hes a big guy, with a big tank and can pick the ball up at his feet like cox can do, is it worth bulking him up and trying to fill this void we have a CHF?? cloke has come in leaps and bounds so far this year, and with hampson starting to get a game, leave those two to ruck and hopefully try and create some sort of forward structure that can work. any thoughts?
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Been saying that all year to play kreuzer and Waite up forward. Look what happened in the last quarter it was fantastic and play O Hailpin CHB.
Its very important in this years draft to pick the best CHF available.
 
Wouldn't mind at times seeing Kreuze playing at FF with Fev at CHF.

I wouldn't use this all the time but if Fev is getting double teamed and not in the contest, getting him up the ground could be a great move and Kreuze at FF can clearly cause some troubles for teams.

Also wouldn't mind seeing Waite at CHF, he is not a CHB although doing quite well there. Maybe when Jamo, Thornton & Bower are all in the side we can release Waite :eek:
 
I think the problem is you can't rely on Irish 100% yet as a CHB. When we can our CHF problem is solved... Waitey. Kreuz needs to utilise his ground skills and stamina, and should be played in the ruck and rested as a deep forward. Obviously he should spend more time up forward in the near future so that he can build up his body to stand up to the rigours of a senior ruckman.
 
Guys, he's a kid.

He's just as likely to come out next week and have 3 possessions for the game.

Don't pinpoint for him a spot yet, let him mature, learning the game, he played in the ruck, key defense and key forward against Port, Ratts ovbiously rates him, as we all do, and we know he'll be something special, let him be drawn to whatever the game is needed, if we need a key forward, he can go in there, at some stage, I wouldn't even be surprised to see him up on the ball, not as the ruckman though, just on the ball, he's got the tank for it, and he always gives a contest around the ball and will always have a 2nd, 3rd and 4th effort, could be handy around stoppages as a rover
 
What is the situation with Hartlett? Is he still injured?

I like the way he attacks the ball when going for his marks and would like to see him get some solid gametime -- if his body (hamstrings) can stand up to the extra gametime!!!
 
TCB-1935 said:
What is the situation with Hartlett? Is he still injured?

I like the way he attacks the ball when going for his marks and would like to see him get some solid gametime -- if his body (hamstrings) can stand up to the extra gametime!!!
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Only if today ends in a "y". Let me see........
 

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What solves that? Kruezer didn't play CHF on Sunday. He played inside the 50m arc and mostly out of the goal square while Fev moved out to about 35m from goal. He also played in the forward line in the first quarter as well but with no result. If you expect him to have that impact every week you're setting yourself up for a let down.

One thing I took from the game is that Kruezer sure isn't a backman. Did a terrible job on Westoff when down there.

Oh... and Kernahan a ruckman :confused:
 
i think kreuzer was good but ti was in the wet so he was a good target i tihnk we should keep in the ruck so he can develop and cloke might be a better chf option for the moment
 
blues_gibbo6 said:
After the krooz's laster qtr is it fair to say he should be at CHF permanent for the rest of the season ...... any thoughts?
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He was pushed to full forward AFAIK.
thought you were going to say that Waite kicking that goal and pushing forward would make him the likely choice.

Lets play Waite CHF for at least 1 quarter against the Pies, ESPECIALLY since Rocca not playing and now that Thorton/Jamison/Setanta Claus/Grigg/Carrots/Armfield-Browne can hold down defense.
 

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