Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates pt3 - The Verdict

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There's 2 'Edwards' (Luke and Harry), 1 Eddie (Betts), and a Brad (Sheppard) named in the Eagles/Carlton game at the SCG on Sunday.
With Brad Sheppard and Harry Edwards playing next to each other at half back for the Eagles,
it's lucky that the other Eagles half back is not a Robert or Roberts.
Otherwise Bradley Robert Edwards might be mouthing off in Hotel Casuarina about how he's playing half back for the Eagles this weekend.
 
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Really interesting with that report of Edwards supposedly being triggered by someone who looked like one of his (assumed) victims but within seconds restraining himself but remaining silent for the rest of the day. Almost like he had a moment of self-awareness where he realised he'd let his guard slip and given away the facade that he's innocent.

Seems to be a common thing among those who maintain their innocence. I remember in the podcast Frozen Lies, Debi Marshall was recounting a couple of interviews she had with Bevan Spencer von Einem in prison and during the second interview he made a statement about the dog collar Richard Kelvin was wearing that was completely incompatible with him being innocent and immediately flipped a switch from being agreeable to becoming quite hostile like he was aware the mask had slipped.

Does make you wonder though if old mate Bradley's so fragile surely he's had similar outbursts before in front of people. Maybe part of the reason his second wife left him terrified was because he'd randomly see depictions of women on the TV and go nuts
 

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I don’t know about justice/law wise but I do know there is a miniseries being done on the CSK and events…..not sure when production starts though. It’s going to be strange revisiting the late 80’s and the 90’s and how will they portray BRE?
I have a morbid fascination but am confident it will be respectful to his victims who as to most of us feel like our younger (forever young) sisters.


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Wow, first I've heard of that but shouldn't be surprised. I think it would make for a really good series with more than enough material, I imagine it might take in the twists and turns of the investigation. Made locally. How will they portray Caporn? hah! I hope they get that right too.
 

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I will be let in on a few snippets I guess. BRE’s history is parallel to mine, same school.same suburb…….I didn’t go out doing the things he did though……


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You must have had a bit of a shock when you realised who the CSK was. I was shocked that he even got caught after all that time and I don't even live in WA.

Feel free to share snippets any time:)
 

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If the miniseries goes ahead, what's the deal if they use a bit of "creative license" and have Bradley snatch Sarah Spiers?

You can't really make a miniseries on the CSK without a mention of Sarah as her disappearance started it all but could the producers get in any kind of legal trouble if it was made plainly obvious they were implying he was responsible for Sarah's murder after the trial?
 

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If the miniseries goes ahead, what's the deal if they use a bit of "creative license" and have Bradley snatch Sarah Spiers?

You can't really make a miniseries on the CSK without a mention of Sarah as her disappearance started it all but could the producers get in any kind of legal trouble if it was made plainly obvious they were implying he was responsible for Sarah's murder after the trial?
I think a way around it is to highlight the grabs that formed part of the testimony and mix SS into one of those ie we see it but it could be conjectured to be one of many - show him driving and the radio mentions SS and you see a hint of a smile

Then specifically mention JR and CG
 

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There's 2 'Edwards' (Luke and Harry), 1 Eddie (Betts), and a Brad (Sheppard) named in the Eagles/Carlton game at the SCG on Sunday.
With Brad Sheppard and Harry Edwards playing next to each other at half back for the Eagles,
it's lucky that the other Eagles half back is not a Robert or Roberts.
Otherwise Bradley Robert Edwards might be mouthing off in Hotel Casuarina about how he's playing half back for the Eagles this weekend.
A player called Brad Edwards played for Perth Football Club (WAFL) in 1988. He was born in the same year as BRE. Obviously he is not BRE.
 

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I don’t know about justice/law wise but I do know there is a miniseries being done on the CSK and events…..not sure when production starts though. It’s going to be strange revisiting the late 80’s and the 90’s and how will they portray BRE?
I have a morbid fascination but am confident it will be respectful to his victims who as to most of us feel like our younger (forever young) sisters.


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I knew a victim's sister (not very well) in the mid-1980s. She is still a teenager in my mind.
 

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I found this article which might be of interest. It brought "Dorothy" to mind. This article is dated 20/6/1996. (transcribed below)

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Backpacker, 22, flees from abduction ordeal.

The hysterical screams of a 22-year-old woman who had just escaped from her abductor woke a Mt Lawley family about 3am yesterday.
The woman, a backpacker from British Columbia, had been forced into a white car by a man on the corner of Roe and Fitzgerald streets, Northbridge, police said.
The man drove her to Spinoza Street in Mt Lawley, stopped the car, punched and kicked her and tried to assault her indecently.
The woman escaped and ran to the Redmans' house nearby.
Helen Redman said she leapt out of bed when she heard the screams and banging on their front window.
She found the woman on her front verandah, desperate to get in.
She was dressed in a loose blouse and jeans and was soaked from the overnight downpour and bleeding.
Mrs Redman and her husband, Jon, took the woman inside, gave her a change of clothes and rang the police.
The woman told the Redmans about her ordeal and how she had fled after the man stopped the car.
"She got as far as out wall (about 100m) when he caught her, and they had a fight. He tried to rip her jeans off and hit her in the head," Mrs Redman said.
"She had three earrings in her ear. It looked like they had been ripped out and there was blood coming from there."
The woman arrived from Adelaide on Sunday, Mrs Redman said. It is believed she planned to stay in Perth about a month.
Before the woman was abducted, she had visited friends at Paul and Scotty's Ozi Inn in Newcastle Street, and then tried to walk back to the Globe Hotel in Wellington Street, Perth.
Paul Joyce, from the Newcastle Street hostel, said that staff had seen the woman come in to visit a friend about 2am and she seemed upset. She left less than an hour later.
Earlier in the night, she had been at the Hip-E Club in Leederville.
Club director John Anderson said Tuesday night was "Back Packer Night". Staff would escort women to cabs or cars if requested.
The attacker was described as a dark-skinned man, aged 23 or 24, 180cm tall, medium build, broad shoulders, short brown hair, wearing a red and white long sleeve shirt, white T-shirt, light blue jeans and dark shoes. He was unshaven.
Macro task force Det-Sen Sgt Paul Ferguson said yesterday he did not believe the abduction was linked to the disappearance of Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer.
 

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I found this article which might be of interest. It brought "Dorothy" to mind. This article is dated 20/6/1996. (transcribed below)

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Backpacker, 22, flees from abduction ordeal.

The hysterical screams of a 22-year-old woman who had just escaped from her abductor woke a Mt Lawley family about 3am yesterday.
The woman, a backpacker from British Columbia, had been forced into a white car by a man on the corner of Roe and Fitzgerald streets, Northbridge, police said.
The man drove her to Spinoza Street in Mt Lawley, stopped the car, punched and kicked her and tried to assault her indecently.
The woman escaped and ran to the Redmans' house nearby.
Helen Redman said she leapt out of bed when she heard the screams and banging on their front window.
She found the woman on her front verandah, desperate to get in.
She was dressed in a loose blouse and jeans and was soaked from the overnight downpour and bleeding.
Mrs Redman and her husband, Jon, took the woman inside, gave her a change of clothes and rang the police.
The woman told the Redmans about her ordeal and how she had fled after the man stopped the car.
"She got as far as out wall (about 100m) when he caught her, and they had a fight. He tried to rip her jeans off and hit her in the head," Mrs Redman said.
"She had three earrings in her ear. It looked like they had been ripped out and there was blood coming from there."
The woman arrived from Adelaide on Sunday, Mrs Redman said. It is believed she planned to stay in Perth about a month.
Before the woman was abducted, she had visited friends at Paul and Scotty's Ozi Inn in Newcastle Street, and then tried to walk back to the Globe Hotel in Wellington Street, Perth.
Paul Joyce, from the Newcastle Street hostel, said that staff had seen the woman come in to visit a friend about 2am and she seemed upset. She left less than an hour later.
Earlier in the night, she had been at the Hip-E Club in Leederville.
Club director John Anderson said Tuesday night was "Back Packer Night". Staff would escort women to cabs or cars if requested.
The attacker was described as a dark-skinned man, aged 23 or 24, 180cm tall, medium build, broad shoulders, short brown hair, wearing a red and white long sleeve shirt, white T-shirt, light blue jeans and dark shoes. He was unshaven.
Macro task force Det-Sen Sgt Paul Ferguson said yesterday he did not believe the abduction was linked to the disappearance of Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer.
Don’t think it’s linked... to Sara and Jane... why? Tsk tsk so many missed opportunities. Did this one come up for abduction attempts in BRE court case? Certainly sounds like could be BRE.
 

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Don’t think it’s linked... to Sara and Jane... why? Tsk tsk so many missed opportunities. Did this one come up for abduction attempts in BRE court case? Certainly sounds like could be BRE.
imo it sounds like BRE also.

description could be him, white car. location is in northbridge instead of claremont though. time frame fits, was just after jane rimmer when police action started heating up in claremont.

any thoughts on the appearance of the victim in the article photo vs the claremont victims?

would be interesting to see if there was other failed abductions around northbridge around this time too.
 

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imo it sounds like BRE also.

description could be him, white car. location is in northbridge instead of claremont though. time frame fits, was just after jane rimmer when police action started heating up in claremont.

any thoughts on the appearance of the victim in the article photo vs the claremont victims?

would be interesting to see if there was other failed abductions around northbridge around this time too.
It's not the victim in the image but it sure sounded like it could have been BRE to me while reading it, (Church Lane came to mind) until I got to "dark skinned" & wondered if they'd have referred to anyone as such unless they were distinctively dark skinned? As opposed to having said olive skin or deeply tanned skin etc...dark skinned is quite a specific description to me & particularly if considering the likelihood of it being used to describe a caucasian man in the middle of winter. Pissed or not, if she fought him off, she'd have had a decent enough look at him regardless so I'll say probably not him, for that reason alone.
 

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It's not the victim in the image but it sure sounded like it could have been BRE to me while reading it, (Church Lane came to mind) until I got to "dark skinned" & wondered if they'd have referred to anyone as such unless they were distinctively dark skinned? As opposed to having said olive skin or deeply tanned skin etc...dark skinned is quite a specific description to me & particularly if considering the likelihood of it being used to describe a caucasian man in the middle of winter. Pissed or not, if she fought him off, she'd have had a decent enough look at him regardless so I'll say probably not him, for that reason alone.
Sounds more like Allan Lacco
In case anyone can't remember him>

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I found this article which might be of interest. It brought "Dorothy" to mind. This article is dated 20/6/1996. (transcribed below)

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Backpacker, 22, flees from abduction ordeal.

on the corner of Roe and Fitzgerald streets, Northbridge, police said.

Before the woman was abducted, she had visited friends at Paul and Scotty's Ozi Inn in Newcastle Street, and then tried to walk back to the Globe Hotel in Wellington Street, Perth.
Tried to look at google maps placing her in the locations - if I have this correct I think she got mixed up - which is reasonable for a visitor.

I wonder if she meant to turn left? towards Beaufort St and down to Wellington St but turned right and found herself on Fitzgerald and decided it was in the same direction

Maybe she stopped a car - or the car stopped to help her (looking lost) - at Roe/Fitzgerald and that was when she was snatched

The dark skinned also stopped me - what else stopped me was the 2nd attempt outside the car - though thats debatable.

But anyway this should be in the BRE thread rather than Cutler ;) :D
 

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It's not the victim in the image but it sure sounded like it could have been BRE to me while reading it, (Church Lane came to mind) until I got to "dark skinned" & wondered if they'd have referred to anyone as such unless they were distinctively dark skinned? As opposed to having said olive skin or deeply tanned skin etc...dark skinned is quite a specific description to me & particularly if considering the likelihood of it being used to describe a caucasian man in the middle of winter. Pissed or not, if she fought him off, she'd have had a decent enough look at him regardless so I'll say probably not him, for that reason alone.
Was an identikit picture ever released of this assailant?
 

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The man drove her to Spinoza Street in Mt Lawley, stopped the car, punched and kicked her and tried to assault her indecently.
Noranda where BRE lived with his first wife (before they were married) in the late 80's, is about 8 minutes drive NNW Spinoza St, Mt Lawley.

I wonder if the man actually stopped his car at Spinoza Street, as opposed to a part of Ferrar or Learoyd St's that ran adjacent to the nearby Ron Stone Park.
Much more likely he would have stopped adjacent to Ron Stone Park IMO.

The victim says that she fled about 100m to the Redman's after he stopped the car, so she could have easily been guessing as to where the car was stopped, and with it being 3am and her escaping, she might have not known exactly which street he stopped the car at.

It's pretty quiet around there at night, mostly nice/large houses, with the ECU Mount Lawley + WAAPA Campus on the other side of Ron Stone Park.

'Ms Barbagallo took Edwards's ex-wife through the details of their marriage and how their relationship began in the late 1980s.
... They had shared a three-bedroom villa in suburban Noranda, but the boyfriend moved out and some months later Edwards moved in.'


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It's not the victim in the image but it sure sounded like it could have been BRE to me while reading it, (Church Lane came to mind) until I got to "dark skinned" & wondered if they'd have referred to anyone as such unless they were distinctively dark skinned? As opposed to having said olive skin or deeply tanned skin etc...dark skinned is quite a specific description to me & particularly if considering the likelihood of it being used to describe a caucasian man in the middle of winter. Pissed or not, if she fought him off, she'd have had a decent enough look at him regardless so I'll say probably not him, for that reason alone.
Yep good point there! I looked as in Olive dark but you correct probably wouldn’t say”dark skinned”
 

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Tried to look at google maps placing her in the locations - if I have this correct I think she got mixed up - which is reasonable for a visitor.

I wonder if she meant to turn left? towards Beaufort St and down to Wellington St but turned right and found herself on Fitzgerald and decided it was in the same direction

Maybe she stopped a car - or the car stopped to help her (looking lost) - at Roe/Fitzgerald and that was when she was snatched

The dark skinned also stopped me - what else stopped me was the 2nd attempt outside the car - though thats debatable.

But anyway this should be in the BRE thread rather than Cutler ;) :D
Is there a "Dorothy" thread?
 

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