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sante said:
Tanking means SFA too. When did Geelong, WCE, Port and Brisbane tank?

What do you think another year of losing/finish bottom 4 will do for players like Deledio/Tambling/Cotchin? They'll probably leave the club. No one wants to play in an unsuccessful club.
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listen numb nuts....we have one glaring thing that sets us apart from comparing us to those teams...they had a plan for the last 20 years to get to where they got...we have had ____ing Jack Shit...do you not understand how ____ed up we are because of the quick fixes etc that were put in place for people like you and the other muppets to sing the song every now and then? FFS, i ____ing give up with some of you muppets....we are 11 games from gaining the services of a player or two that we havent got...do you copy? we havent got...i.e. we ____ing desperatley need and all you can think of is beating also rans so our stats look good and we finish where we have forever and day.....like FFS.

Brisbane and West Coast in particular partied at our expense. Since they were the yard stick and we had ____wits running the joint, lets get Brennan, lets get Weller, lets get Morrison, lets get that other eagle that i cant ____ing remember, oh yeah Blurton the next big thing, aaww gee they must be good, hey they played 3 and half games for the top sides so they are shoe ins to get us where? like get real, then we end up with the bummers and sheedst having another laugh at us with blumfield.....they had us ____ing doing the job for them fool

ontop of the ____wit walls going for the x factors that the Brisbane lions left us, Elliot, Rombotis etc....we were ____ed up badly, we have to remedy it right now or else we are completely ____ed...and we go down, i am not kidding...we cease to exist in 10 years..mark my words ;)
 
sante said:
Tanking means SFA too. When did Geelong, WCE, Port and Brisbane tank?

What do you think another year of losing/finish bottom 4 will do for players like Deledio/Tambling/Cotchin? They'll probably leave the club. No one wants to play in an unsuccessful club.
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Judges last year as coach they Tanked the last few games for sure.... and ended up with Judd
 

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nut said:
16 point and we get him... so we are 14 now.... A Draw is the best we can do and still get pick 1.
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So where looking at a midfield for next year consisting off.

Cotchin Cogs Deledio Natanui SImmonds Rich Foley Cousins? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

And maybe a Watts at forward?
 
CoggaRules said:
listen numb nuts....we have one glaring thing that sets us apart from comparing us to those teams...they had a plan for the last 20 years to get to where they got...we have had ____ing Jack Shit...do you not understand how ____ed up we are because of the quick fixes etc that were put in place for people like you and the other muppets to sing the song every now and then? FFS, i ____ing give up with some of you muppets....we are 11 games from gaining the services of a player or two that we havent got...do you copy? we havent got...i.e. we ____ing desperatley need and all you can think of is beating also rans so our stats look good and we finish where we have forever and day.....like FFS.

Brisbane and West Coast in particular partied at our expense. Since they were the yard stick and we had ____wits running the joint, lets get Brennan, lets get Weller, lets get Morrison, lets get that other eagle that i cant ____ing remember, oh yeah Blurton the next big thing, aaww gee they must be good, hey they played 3 and half games for the top sides so they are shoe ins to get us where? like get real, then we end up with the bummers and sheedst having another laugh at us with blumfield.....they had us ____ing doing the job for them fool

ontop of the ____wit walls going for the x factors that the Brisbane lions left us, Elliot, Rombotis etc....we were ____ed up badly, we have to remedy it right now or else we are completely ____ed...and we go down, i am not kidding...we cease to exist in 10 years..mark my words ;)
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Oops, my bad. I didn't realise you knew everything about how to rebuild an AFL club. Tell me next time, geez. :rolleyes: :thumbsd:

You probably instructed Geelong/Brisbane/Port etc on how to get back to the top, ay?
 
Well cogga rules see you are pretty p*** off and I know people are saying dont be negetive but I have to agree with you mate your right on the money with this one I can see it now we finish 9th or 10th TW says a successful year bla,bla,bla I for one living over here in the west have to put up with endless talk about the eagles which really sh*****ts me to tears I will always be a Tiger supporter but cogga is right keep f***kin round and finishing 9th or mid table for much longer and it will be all over pull your pants up Tigers will go the way of the do,do bird very sad but true.
 
CoggaRules said:
If we win 5 games or less...we have number 1 & 2 pick in the draft and number 1 in the PSD?

So for the sake of one more lousy season, we can in fact have Natanui, Rich and any one of Fev, Brown, Cousins or Kerr at tigerland next year correct?

Can anyone see how ridiculous it would be to pass up the opportunity of a lifetime, one that could have us a dominant force for the next decade and a half, securing the clubs long term future completely? ;)
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Priority pick rules tightened
By Michael Gleeson and Stephen Rielly
November 18, 2005

Under changes to the rules governing priority picks, elite talent such
as highly rated midfiedler Marc Murphy will be much harder for poorly
performed sides to draft.
Photo: Sebastian Costanzo

ONE poor season no longer will be sufficient for a double dip at the
best talent in the country under a radical revamp of the eligibility
criteria for AFL priority picks.

The extravagant reward for failure currently conferred on clubs
enduring one poor year has been all but abolished under the changes
announced by the AFL yesterday.

Clubs winning no more than four games in a season from next year will
be eligible for a priority pick taken after the completion of the
first round of the national draft. If the club has successive poor
years of no more than 16 points in each of those seasons — not
averaged over the course of those seasons — the priority pick will be
taken, as it is now, before the national draft.

The AFL was troubled by a range of factors about the current system,
not the least of them being the widespread perception — even from
within clubs — that some clubs deliberately lost games or "tanked" in
order to secure a priority pick.

AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said clubs also were concerned
that the existing system, which gives the priority pick to clubs that
win 20 premiership points or fewer in a season, unfairly disadvantaged
middle-ranking clubs, over-compensated poorly performing clubs and
unfairly advantaged clubs who endured only one poor year.

"The rationale behind this decision is a two-year time frame is more
reflective of poor performance," Demetriou said. "Moving to a second
round (priority pick) reduces the over-compensation effect. Thirdly,
(we) will retain the quite significant compensation for two years'
poor performance.

"We think it will provide less impact on access to talent for clubs
finishing mid-table and it reduces the perceived incentive to tank."

The most glaring example of the inadequacy of the existing system was
the awarding of a priority pick to the Brisbane Lions (used on Des
Headland) in 1998 after the club played finals in the three previous
years — including a preliminary final in 1996. The Lions won three
premierships and finished no lower than fifth in the six years after
receiving the pick.

Similarly, Melbourne secured Colin Sylvia with a priority selection in
2003 despite a sixth-place finish in 2002 and a return to the finals
in 2004. West Coast has played finals in 10 of the 12 years
surrounding the priority pick it received in 2001.

Were the new system applied this season, none of Carlton, Collingwood
or Hawthorn would receive a priority selection. Of the 17 priority
picks awarded since 1997, only four of them have gone to clubs winning
fewer than five matches and therefore would have been eligible under
the revised criteria.

The AFL also announced a new scholarship system yesterday under which
all clubs can select two teenagers aged 15 to 17 years from greater
Sydney or overseas, with each club paid $30,000 to cover the costs.

The league also told the clubs at yesterday's meeting it had enjoyed
record revenue for the year of $200 million and a higher than forecast
surplus of about $7 million. That was after distributing $94 million
to clubs and covering the legal costs of the C7 litigation. Thirteen
of the 16 clubs will record a profit this year.

The league's debt had been reduced to less than $30 million.
 

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Then there is this:

Also this article:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...-11088,00.html

Salt in the wound

Article from:
Mark Stevens
May 15, 2007 12:00am

ON MY SOAPBOX: What's worse than finishing last? Finishing last and watching your oldest enemy take the prized No. 1 draft pick, Mark Stevens writes.
Yes, that could be you, Richmond fans. If you're close to the brink of despair after seven straight losses, it may be too painful to read on.
The Tigers could claim the wooden spoon -- winning one, two, even zero games -- and still be beaten to the punch on draft day by Carlton.
Under priority-pick rules, the Blues get the No. 1 choice in 2007 if they win four, or fewer, games -- regardless of how bad the Tigers are.
The criteria is simple: if you win four games or fewer in successive years you are entitled to a prized priority pick before the first round.
Carlton won 3 1/2 games last year. That's one box ticked.
If the Blues, now 2-5, win no more than two games in their last 15, the No. 1 pick comes gift-wrapped.
It could be the first time in draft history that the bottom team hasn't been handed the first pick.
Winning a wooden spoon is bad enough. Imagine the pain if the Tigers finish behind Carlton, only to cop it in the backside with a nasty, jagged splinter as well.
Under the nightmare scenario for Richmond, the Blues would get their hands on picks No. 1 and No. 3 if they finished second last.
The Tigers, if they finish last, would get No. 2 and then a priority pick (No. 18) at the end of the first round.
Essendon, too, could get its mitts on a priority pick before the first round if it wins fewer than four.
Remember the Bombers, like Carlton, only won 3 1/2 last year.
But Essendon is not that bad. It won't happen.
The season is only a third of the way through, agreed. Carlton might surge; the Tigers may claw their way out of the depths.
But it is worth thinking about -- and the possible ramifications of the priority rules have been largely forgotten.
If the losing run of the young Blues continues, it will raise unprecedented speculation about the worth of playing kids and tanking.
Imagine if the Blues continue to fight hard, but still find themselves at 3-10 and then, say, 4-13.
The temptation could be huge for the Blues to select development teams and ensure they win no more than four.
Denis Pagan is a win-at-all-costs coach, but it may just be the chance for the Blues to top up with two more prime kids and have a real tilt in 2008.
And it would be an opportunity to make up for the pain of losing those early choices in 2002.
Why win five or six games? Really, it's a waste of time.
If you can't get eight to 10 wins, take the four. It would be much better for Carlton long-term.
The Blues are playing exciting footy and clearly heading in the right direction, but don't have the experience or clout to challenge for the eight -- particularly with Nick Stevens out for the year.
Make no mistake, the cries of "tank it" will come loudly if the Blues still have four or fewer wins in the bank a month out from the end of the season.
That would be horrible for the game. The AFL's rule change, taking away an automatic early priority pick for winning five or fewer matches in a single season, was a step in the right direction.
But they should go further. From 2008, all priorities should be taken only after the first round.
It would be cruel, painfully cruel, if the Tigers cop the spoon and miss pick No. 1.
 
the ranger said:
Yes, I think we all realise that. That's why there are 30 threads about tanking at the moment.
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There is no value for our team if we finish 9th or 10th. We are fooling ourselves if we think it means we are not far from finals, no point playing finals if your not a serious contender

With the two new teams coming into the competition, this is the last year for our club to grab top shelf talent.

I hate the thought of tanking, but seriously we need the best chance to recruit the best kids, 9th or 10th wont give us that opportunity.

If we dont get the number 1 pick (highly likely now) then I hope Fremantle and West Coast can start winning some home games and climb the ladder.

Essendon is the concern, they are crap and there is no hope of Melbourne climbing off the bottom.

I would say it will be pick 3 or 4 is headed to Richmond, I would prefer at worst pick 2 :o
 
By tankers logic, the league should be made up of 4 or 5 teams contending for the premiership and the rest of the league trying to lose as much as possible to get better draft picks. Idiotic.
 
Coach_Required said:
There is no value for our team if we finish 9th or 10th. We are fooling ourselves if we think it means we are not far from finals, no point playing finals if your not a serious contender

With the two new teams coming into the competition, this is the last year for our club to grab top shelf talent.

I hate the thought of tanking, but seriously we need the best chance to recruit the best kids, 9th or 10th wont give us that opportunity.

If we dont get the number 1 pick (highly likely now) then I hope Fremantle and West Coast can start winning some home games and climb the ladder.

Essendon is the concern, they are crap and there is no hope of Melbourne climbing off the bottom.

I would say it will be pick 3 or 4 is headed to Richmond, I would prefer at worst pick 2 :o
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dude, what the blind fail to also see is that when we do have a good pool of top talent going into the next decade, we then can afford the luxury of trading one or two of that pool, for good draft picks to continue to refresh the talent pool, which extends your run in the top flight. What we are all about is that we cant afford to trade good players, and think we can offload duds, who we and only we think have talent, well not me, but you know the ones. We need to build the talent pool. Then we can choose when we want to gain a top draft pick, trade whover we think is ready for the change, that benefits us and them and we go from there.
ITs so ____ing obvious it aint funny what we have to do.
 

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