Coggarules was right ...

[IDGAF]

Should have made a bigger play for Fevola when we had the chance

This will no doubt get the natives wrestless but draw the comparitive line through Richo`s and the Fevs performances on the weekend .

One player is consistently a matchwinner off his own boot , in his own right ... the other continues to let himself down with his career laden with poor disposal and decision making .

Tee off all you like but the weekends results are plain to see

 

[lids2004roar]

What did we offer again? The pick we got JON for and something else?

About Richo, he had a poor night, but there are also times he kicks 7.1 and 6.2

Give him 8 shots on goal and most times he'll kick at least 5. That is a fact due to his 63% accuracy.

Normally Richo gets 5 goals if he plays like he did against Collingwood so I think we need to wait a few more weeks before this kind of talk.

Fev would be great to have, although having him meant we wouldn't have picked up Riewoldt (would have taken Hislop I guess).

 

[duckboy]

Should have made a bigger play for Fevola when we had the chance

This will no doubt get the natives wrestless but draw the comparitive line through Richo`s and the Fevs performances on the weekend .

One player is consistently a matchwinner off his own boot , in his own right ... the other continues to let himself down with his career laden with poor disposal and decision making .

Tee off all you like but the weekends results are plain to see

Hindsight's a wonderful thing IDGAF. I still say if the 21 others gave us much as Richo we'd win a hell of a lot more often. But you can't argue with the facts, Richo had a dirty night. Problem is, he does that twice a season or lessa nd gets labelled a bad kick. Had an argument with an idiot Pies supporter last year over A. Rocca vs Richo. He argues that Rocca was a better player because he converted better. I went to the records and it turned out Richo's at 63% and Rocca was 61%. Richo's record stacks up well against most of the other great goalkickers, and he's kicked nearly 700.

The point worth making about the missed opportunity with Fev is his age. That's probably the more frustrating thing. That we may have been able to grab an A grade FF at the peak of his powers with 7-8 good years left in him....... What might have been???

 

[CoggaRules]

Should have made a bigger play for Fevola when we had the chance

This will no doubt get the natives wrestless but draw the comparitive line through Richo`s and the Fevs performances on the weekend .

One player is consistently a matchwinner off his own boot , in his own right ... the other continues to let himself down with his career laden with poor disposal and decision making .

Tee off all you like but the weekends results are plain to see

dude, opportunity has knocked twice with the tigers. Plugger and then Fev.
We will never learn will we? The only time we were a force is when we had a FF doing seriuous damage on the scoreboard. What would you think we have lacked in the last 20 years?

 

[IDGAF]

Hindsight's a wonderful thing IDGAF. I still say if the 21 others gave us much as Richo we'd win a hell of a lot more often. But you can't argue with the facts, Richo had a dirty night. Problem is, he does that twice a season or lessa nd gets labelled a bad kick.

Probably a little harsh with the Richo comparison .... but the harsh reality is "the Fev" has that little "X-factor" that consistently kicks bags and wins games

As you have said , and i have many times too ... Hindsight is a wonderful thing ... but when you look at the way Fevola played on the weekend it`s hard to believe that when he was quietly put on the market , there wasn`t a hell of a lot more interest shown in him

Actually ... LMAOO @ the Blues putting Fev on the Market and annointing Whitnall and making him captain . Could have turned out very ugly for Carlton had the market not shyed away from Fevelenko

 

[CoggaRules]

Hindsight's a wonderful thing IDGAF. I still say if the 21 others gave us much as Richo we'd win a hell of a lot more often. But you can't argue with the facts, Richo had a dirty night. Problem is, he does that twice a season or lessa nd gets labelled a bad kick. Had an argument with an idiot Pies supporter last year over A. Rocca vs Richo. He argues that Rocca was a better player because he converted better. I went to the records and it turned out Richo's at 63% and Rocca was 61%. Richo's record stacks up well against most of the other great goalkickers, and he's kicked nearly 700.

The point worth making about the missed opportunity with Fev is his age. That's probably the more frustrating thing. That we may have been able to grab an A grade FF at the peak of his powers with 7-8 good years left in him....... What might have been???

dude, hindight is a wonderful thing. But the real deal is that we didnt show any foresight. If we did then we wouldnt be talking about hindsight being a wonderful thing, would we?
psst here is another reality lesson. You and many others keep regurgitating the same old same old. "if the 21 others gave us much as Richo we'd win a hell of a lot more often" It aint gunna happen, what would have happened is that when the 21 others gave us much as Richo, when they do, lets just say 13 and a 1/2 games out of 22 , like they did last friday for 1/ 2 of those 13 1/2 games, then with a marksman that can kick straight, putting the icing on the cake doing the job on the scorebaord, then we are in the mix, and any improvements re. bit players, moves us up into the "real" mix.
Not getting Fev, is another **** up with a diploma, that the tigers are masters at.
But that is water under the bridge. Fev is now a money spinner for the Blues,just like Buddy is for the dorks, having "young kids", tiugging on daddys coat, saying i want to go to the footy and i want the jumper with the 25 or the 23, and we are still looking for the development of our young KPPs. to evolve in 4 years, with the young tigers like mine, having better things to do with their time.
That is reality dude. The youngsters, the lifeblood of the club are steadily finding better things to do than get freustrated watching the tigers.

Now imagine if we had the forsight and we took Buddy and then Fev and with Richo, Lids and Polo? Game over.
But naaa, we are pulling ourselves over the elite status of a Hyde and the gun status of a Pettifer, FFS. Do you guys have any ****ing clue?

 

[PHX]

although having him meant we wouldn't have picked up Riewoldt (would have taken Hislop I guess).

I wanted Hislop.

 

[duckboy]

dude, hindight is a wonderful thing. But the real deal is that we didnt show any foresight. If we did then we wouldnt be talking about hindsight being a wonderful thing, would we?
psst here is another reality lesson. You and many others keep regurgitating the same old same old. "if the 21 others gave us much as Richo we'd win a hell of a lot more often" It aint gunna happen, what would have happened is that when the 21 others gave us much as Richo, when they do, lets just say 13 ,1/2 games out of 22 , like they did last friday, then with a marksman that can kick straight, putting the icing on the cake doing the job, onthe scorebaord, then we are in the mix, and any improvements moves us up into the "real" mix.
Not getting Fev, is another **** up with a diploma, that the tigers are masters at.
But that is water under the bridge. Fev is now a money spinner for the Blues,just like Buddy is for the dorks, and we are still looking for the development of our young KPPs. to evolve in 4 years.
Now imagine if we had the forsight and we took Buddy and then Fev and with Richo, Lids and Polo? Game over.
But naaa, we are pulling ourselves over the elite status of a Hyde and the gun status of a Pettifer, FFS. Do you guys have any ****ing clue?

I see where you're coming from Cogga but lets look at the facts of what you're saying. And I'm not trying to defend Richo, just pointing out that facts and perception for arguments sake are two different things. For the record I was all for us getting Fev
- Fev's first three shots on Saturday were out of bounds on the full, point, point. He didn't kick a goal until just before half time.
- The Blues midfield dominated Essendon after half time to an almost ridiculous level, he couldn't help but be on the end of that dominance at times.
- Fev had some classic "Richo moments" like the handball to Stevens from 20m and the dropped mark in the square.

All i'm saying is he's not perfect, and he's a lot like Richo in some ways. Look at the night against us. He couldn't kick a goal to save himself. Missed three in a row at one stage.

That aside, I agree with your latter point. As I've said before, I would've loved Fev, mates with Newy and all that. It would of been a good story. Obviously our administrators were nervous about trading picks away after pledging not to, and wary of things like the Johnson and Brown trades where we picked up quality players but gave away picks (and players) that were probably worth more in the long run. Didn't fit with our story of rebuilding. Anyway, what i've heard is that what we offered and what they wanted were poles apart. i.e. it was never even close.

As for foresight, credit where credit's due:

Andrew Raines at Pick 76
Tuck at Pick 70 something
Nathan Foley off the rookie list
Pat Bowden for a 3rd round pick
Kingsley???

I think we've had a reasonable run.

 

[CoggaRules]

As for foresight, credit where credit's due:

Andrew Raines at Pick 76
Tuck at Pick 70 something
Nathan Foley off the rookie list
Pat Bowden for a 3rd round pick
Kingsley???

I think we've had a reasonable run.

duck with all due respect.
First i will only ever bag the big bloke for his kicking. The one thing that i can thank him for is keeping me and the kids going to the footy just to watch him, for the last decade and a half. If it werent for him the tigers had JS to keep the turnstiles clicking. FFS, if i played any type of sport, i demanded the number 12 on the jumper, if you doubt how much i love the pup. Seen his entire career unfold in front of me.
BUt back to the unemotional stuff.

Apart from the Fola and Rainsey the other 2 are just filling a hole until somthing better arrives. i.e in a real good side, they would be lucky to be named as emegencies, and in a real real real good side, they wouldnt be in it. As for Kingsley? well lets just say there is always a stab in the dark, and until the stab is put to the test, he is neither a good call or a bad call.

 

[duckboy]

duck with all due respect.
First i will only ever bag the big bloke for his kicking. The one thing that i can thank him for is keeping me and the kids going to the footy just to watch him, for the last decade and a half. If it werent for him the tigers had JS to keep the turnstiles clicking. FFS, if i played any type of sport, i demanded the number 12 on the jumper, if you doubt how much i love the pup. Seen his entire career unfold in front of me.
BUt back to the unemotional stuff.

Apart from the Fola and Rainsey the other 2 are just filling a hole until somthing better arrives. i.e in a real good side, they would be lucky to be named as emegencies, and in a real real real good side, they wouldnt be in it.

Good post, same here with Richo.

I know that Tuck in particular is a short term fix but even if this is his last year as a senior contributor (which on current form it may well be) it was a value bet. Pat Bowden could still be something if we have our "structures" right.

 

[CoggaRules]

Good post, same here with Richo.

I know that Tuck in particular is a short term fix but even if this is his last year as a senior contributor (which on current form it may well be) it was a value bet. Pat Bowden could still be something if we have our "structures" right.

LOL, man, Tuck and Bowden are of the same ilk. They take a month of Sundays to suss out the next move, when the game is moving faster and faster and by the time they work out who to give to, then they still have to work out if they can execute the give. By that time the bird has flown and the only other optiuon is the air ball to no one but a pack of nothingness. Just watch and see how many nothing air balls both of them produce. It most certainly fits the skilled delivery plan that TW is famed for.
This is why i am baffled with the continued selection of these types of players. They just dont fit what TW wants in his side. The one plus that Tuck has is grunt, if he is the annointed one, that TW always has one of in his side, then good luck to him. Apart from that, then thery are both future toast.
Oops, of course thats IMO.

 

[duckboy]

LOL, man, Tuck and Bowden are of the same ilk. They take a month of Sundays to suss out the next move, when the game is moving faster and faster and by the time they work out who to give to, then they still have to work out if they can execute the give. By that time the bird has flown and the only other optiuon is the air ball to no one but a pack of nothingness. Just watch and see how many nothing air balls both of them produce. It most certainly fits the skilled delivery plan that TW is famed for.

Yeah, can't say I was impressed with some of Tuckys attempted clearnces on Friday night. A few times he just had to let it get wrapped up and force a stopppgae and tried to get it on the boot. Other times he somehow got it to boot and succeeded in sending the ball straight to a waiting Pies loose man.

As for Bowden, you're right which is why he really suits that loose man role he played last year (plenty of time to decide what to do!). Teams haven't let us do that at all so far this year, hence the reason Bowden was back at Coburg and Raines wouldn't be too far off it either at current form.

 

[CoggaRules]

Yeah, can't say I was impressed with some of Tuckys attempted clearnces on Friday night. A few times he just had to let it get wrapped up and force a stopppgae and tried to get it on the boot. Other times he somehow got it to boot and succeeded in sending the ball straight to a waiting Pies loose man.

As for Bowden, you're right which is why he really suits that loose man role he played last year (plenty of time to decide what to do!). Teams haven't let us do that at all so far this year, hence the reason Bowden was back at Coburg and Raines wouldn't be too far off it either at current form.

ok duck, how about illuminating the faithful on how teams go about, not allowing us to do that so far this year? I mean, they must be manning up on x player and not manning up on y player correct? Now if you were an opposition coach and you knew that you really needed to curb the Rianes run, you would really man up on him, so who is the one or 2 you leave free?
Yep the next big thing, the one dude you know idf he gets it, which ever way he turns, he can only ever end the turn on his left. Yep Da monsta, the elite. So in the same scintilatting time the Queen Mary takes to dock, he baulks a player by turning on his right, didnt really see that one coming, then with 60,000 fans knowing that he really needs to turn on his left to get the delivery in, not only do all the defenders converge on that side of the ground, he also has the pressure of players lunging to smother, and it ends up how? either with a kick that in circle work hits chests, going over the head, or a kick to a pack with the numbers stacked 1-3 against us. ANd that is what we talk about as our elite.
Now if our brains trust havent worked that one out in the last 3 years, then they all should hand in their resignations, because they are the "no brains trust". You see TW, its all good to conjure a game plan for the nextgame, but what you really need to factor in is that there is another coach conjuring up a game plan against us. ANd its all to easy when the same players are there, doing the what comes naturally dude.
Yeah, the take risks policy? no probs, with also rans it will sometimes pay off, i.e those one or 2 plays that have the nuff nuffs suggesting eltite status, so much so that in the mean time, the 5 or 6 **** ups can be slipped in without to much hoohaa.
TW, love the take risks policy dude, but you know what? The risks pay off more often than not when the dude taking them knows what he is doing.
P.S Rainsey? pull your head in and forget about the break tackles stuff dude. Dont forget that you dont need to break the tackles when you evade them like you did, or realise that the give is a "better" option, when the option was a "better"option, when you made your mark dude.

 

[Croat tiger]

What did we offer again? The pick we got JON for and something else?

About Richo, he had a poor night, but there are also times he kicks 7.1 and 6.2
Give him 8 shots on goal and most times he'll kick at least 5. That is a fact due to his 63% accuracy.

Normally Richo gets 5 goals if he plays like he did against Collingwood so I think we need to wait a few more weeks before this kind of talk.

Fev would be great to have, although having him meant we wouldn't have picked up Riewoldt (would have taken Hislop I guess).

He has kicked accurately at times benny but there have lots of times he's kicked 1.6 or 2.7.

 

[1980]

Didnt hear anyone say we should have had Fevola when Richo won us the game off his own boot against the bombers last year.

FFS one weekend doesnt determine draft strategy. Ths blues always play above themselves against the bombers.

If we beat the blues as we should have in round 1, we'd be having a laugh at Fevola right now. They'd be 0-3 and we'd be 2-1 with a good loss to last year's grand finalists.

The problem with Richmond is not whether Richo can kick or Fevola is a better option. Its that our coach and football director can do as they please and have bought themselves time until 2011, and there's no pressure on the players to perform here and now.

Its disgraceful how we fell apart and gifted them the game in the 2nd half, whereas the blues did the exact opposite.

Fevola makes not one iota of difference when the whole team slacks off and panics

 

[CoggaRules]

If we beat the blues as we should have in round 1, we'd be having a laugh at Fevola right now. They'd be 0-3 and we'd be 2-1 with a good loss to last year's grand finalists.

and if i had a dollar for everytime that line has been said by a tiger head in the last 20 years i would be a millionaire.
You see we didnt is what is reality. You win flags with reality, you dream about flags, when you live in the dreamworld of "we should have".

 

[Crumden]

Should have made a bigger play for Fevola when we had the chance

This will no doubt get the natives wrestless but draw the comparitive line through Richo`s and the Fevs performances on the weekend .

One player is consistently a matchwinner off his own boot , in his own right ... the other continues to let himself down with his career laden with poor disposal and decision making .

Tee off all you like but the weekends results are plain to see

LMAO @ him being a matchwinner ID. Those 3 wins they had last year must have left an impression.

Fev is a better kick than Richo, but I reckon he has similar issues between the ears. Also, while I wouldn't have minded getting him, I reckon it would have been at too high a price.

 

[Bojangles17]

Should have made a bigger play for Fevola when we had the chance

to be honest, our probs run a little deeper than a KF right now, sarge will prove more than adequate there...its mature inside mids that we have a dearth of....we should have 2 or 3 of Cogs callibre ahead of Tucky and Foley...Nevermind who's lining up...FRI night coulda been sorted if sarge took the kicks...When the heats on , who found the aggot...scott Burns...

 

[1980]

and if i had a dollar for everytime that line has been said by a tiger head in the last 20 years i would be a millionaire.
You see we didnt is what is reality. You win flags with reality, you dream about flags, when you live in the dreamworld of "we should have".

There's been very little "we should have" in the past 20 years. There's been a lot more "we are so schit". If you want to make money, ask for a dollar everytime someone says the latter.

 

[Grechy]

Didnt hear anyone say we should have had Fevola when Richo won us the game off his own boot against the bombers last year.

FFS one weekend doesnt determine draft strategy. Ths blues always play above themselves against the bombers.

If we beat the blues as we should have in round 1, we'd be having a laugh at Fevola right now. They'd be 0-3 and we'd be 2-1 with a good loss to last year's grand finalists.

The problem with Richmond is not whether Richo can kick or Fevola is a better option. Its that our coach and football director can do as they please and have bought themselves time until 2011, and there's no pressure on the players to perform here and now.

Its disgraceful how we fell apart and gifted them the game in the 2nd half, whereas the blues did the exact opposite.

Fevola makes not one iota of difference when the whole team slacks off and panics

Exactly.

A FF is nothing without a midfield nor the rest of the team for that matter. They're there to finish off the good work. How many times have we seen Fev frustrated? I Remember back maybe a few years getting dragged off the field for his body language and the constant scrutiny he used to cop.

Richo has had match winning games as well. Remember the 10 against the Bulldogs? Fevola is a star no doubting that. His kick for goal, marking ability and the way he presents is phenomenal but he's not immune to the shockers.

Fevola wouldn't make an ounce of a difference if he was playing for us right now. We need the other 17 blokes on the field to put their hand up.

 

[Bojangles17]

Richo has had match winning games as well. Remember the 10 against the Bulldogs? .

yeah , I do remember that one game More of it richo, we luv ya mate but your testing us