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Very interesting article by Nathan Buckley in the Age this weekend about how Malthouse coaches to a finals-winning gameplan, even at the expense of some games during the year. Some relevant bits:

Mick Malthouse coaches to win finals.
His game plan has been tinkered with and evolved over the years but he has never wavered from his primary goal of producing a team that is able to stand up in the fiercest battles.

Mick demands his players be hardened and ready for September action, and he is prepared to take some short term pain during the home and- away rounds to achieve that aim.
His man-on-man game plan relies on intense physical pressure when the ball is either in dispute or in the opposition’s hands

For mine, this is why we see, on occasion, such dramatic swings in Collingwood performances during the season proper.
Forget blockbuster fatigue — the ability to find the extreme fanatical pressure that sets the game plan up can be difficult to produce week-in, weekout. Anything less than manic pressure in and around the ball doesn’t cut it.
Finals, however, suit the Malthouse game plan. The finals atmosphere and intensity prods and probes at both teams and the individuals within them, looking for points of weakness. The pressure goes through the roof and even the simplest things become difficult, which in turn assists a team that relies on high-pressure football.
When the Magpies do what they do, very few teams can cope with the pressure that generates. It is Collingwood’s “unique trait”, as it has been with every Malthouse-coached team.


And in his article, Martin Flanagan makes the point that Hawthorn now plays a similar style, and also has the stars to turn a game, which may just be enough to get over Geelong - remembering of course that Collingwood's high-pressure game style is the only one which has beaten Geelong this year, and how close it got them in the prelim last year.

Which makes for an interesting couple of weeks football. But more importantly, what does this mean for the Crows? Isn't this what was missing from their Elimination final performance? Should they go man on man more often? Do they have the players to do it?

I've said before, it seems to me with the Crows that their game style means they are good at creating opportunities, they are just not good enough at taking those opportunities when they arise. In other words, their zone-based gameplan consistently gets them into the finals, but perhaps they need more of a man-on-man style once they get there.

Thoughts?
 
One game plan doesn't fit all - that applies to us and them.

You aren't playing against robots; if their gameplan changes, or they're doing something different, then you need to change yours to react.

I'd agree with that article, but, as it says, Collingwood rely heavily on everyone being at maximum intensity - which is fine, unless they drop off. They didn't against us, but if another side could shut them down, then they'd need a back-up plan.
 
Don't forget that MM only selects and keeps players that are good in finals. As it says in the article, don't worry about the H&A, he only coaches for finals.
Mind you, he got pretty close to missing the finals this year. He cut it very close, didn't he?:)
 
Don't forget that MM only selects and keeps players that are good in finals. As it says in the article, don't worry about the H&A, he only coaches for finals.
Mind you, he got pretty close to missing the finals this year. He cut it very close, didn't he?:)

So he made it.

H&A means nothing apart from making the finals, H&A success means nothing and is nothing to be proud of.
 

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So he made it.

H&A means nothing apart from making the finals, H&A success means nothing and is nothing to be proud of.

:rolleyes: If you don't have success in the H&A, you can't make the finals. So it actually means a great deal! We've ticked the box re H&A, now we have to go the next level and tick the finals box too. Don't forget MM has been at this coaching caper at this level for a long time, and whilst he's seen as a guru, he still hasn't achieved with Collingwood, what everyone expected he would. He's got them there and there abouts, but still no silverware. Craigy has only been at it for 5 years and he's got us there and there abouts too.
 
So he made it.

H&A means nothing apart from making the finals, H&A success means nothing and is nothing to be proud of.

I agree with you. H&A success means nothing unless you get the flag at the end. In reality, we are not better off than Melbourne. In fact, Melbourne is better off because they get 1st pick and a priority pick as well.
I think that unless we know we are going to win the flag, we should play for last place until we get enough 1st picks and concessions to field a champion team that WILL win the flag, guaranteed!:rolleyes:
Give me a ****ing break!!!!!
 
:rolleyes: If you don't have success in the H&A, you can't make the finals. So it actually means a great deal! We've ticked the box re H&A, now we have to go the next level and tick the finals box too. Don't forget MM has been at this coaching caper at this level for a long time, and whilst he's seen as a guru, he still hasn't achieved with Collingwood, what everyone expected he would. He's got them there and there abouts, but still no silverware. Craigy has only been at it for 5 years and he's got us there and there abouts too.

Learn to read
 
I agree with you. H&A success means nothing unless you get the flag at the end. In reality, we are not better off than Melbourne. In fact, Melbourne is better off because they get 1st pick and a priority pick as well.
I think that unless we know we are going to win the flag, we should play for last place until we get enough 1st picks and concessions to field a champion team that WILL win the flag, guaranteed!:rolleyes:
Give me a ****ing break!!!!!

dont get me wrong teams that tank are pathetic, but thinking making the finals is good enough is equally pathetic.
 
So he made it.

H&A means nothing apart from making the finals, H&A success means nothing and is nothing to be proud of.

Yes it does mean something, when was the last time a team won a premiership from outside the top 4? 98 I believe, but back then it was a different system, you could still get a double chance if you outside the top 4. Don't underestimate the value of the double chance and how much Essendon's pathetic performance may have hurt our chances. Collingwood were 8th, they were in the worst possible place to actually challenge for a premiership. H&A means a lot more than just making the finals, yes, at then end of the day if you can't perform in finals it means nothing, but its all about placing yourself in the best possible position to challenge for the premiership.
 
no i didnt you


You did... you said success in the H & A was not important, but had already acknowledged you HAD to have success in the H & A to make the finals. Can't have it both ways Girty.
 
I know it is easy to take a shot after knowing the results of Collingwood's performance last night.

But it was the same coach and same team as last week, but look at the different result - makes Buckleys' comments about how good they are in finals look a bit silly.

I think there is too much hysteria and over-the-top comments sometimes based on one game.

The media are the best example of this - it is amazing how they jump on and off the wagon about teams every week. It would be interesting to collect their comments over a year and see how much they contradict themselves.
 
I know it is easy to take a shot after knowing the results of Collingwood's performance last night.

But it was the same coach and same team as last week, but look at the different result - makes Buckleys' comments about how good they are in finals look a bit silly.

I think there is too much hysteria and over-the-top comments sometimes based on one game.

The media are the best example of this - it is amazing how they jump on and off the wagon about teams every week. It would be interesting to collect their comments over a year and see how much they contradict themselves.

Yes. I am now waiting to see how many of the Collingwood team that played last night, are going to be delisted or traded before next season.
:D:D
 

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