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I'm an old fart perhaps, but I'll be damned if I'm going to happily accept the downward spiral this country is in with regards to manners.

Amongst other things, the one thing that peeves me most is when I'm at the gym and listening to the radio/music, or other people may be, and some turkey decides when he (sometimes women) will turn the radio off and turn the TV on without asking permission.

I had a go at a bloke on Sunday for that very act, only because he is known for this kind of behaviour. I got a smart-alec response, and even though he turned the music back on, the TV stayed on anyhow.

Enough of my ranting. Does anyone else feel the same way about decent manners, or is this just old-fashioned?:mad:
 
Originally posted by bulldogs1
I'm an old fart perhaps, but I'll be damned if I'm going to happily accept the downward spiral this country is in with regards to manners.

Amongst other things, the one thing that peeves me most is when I'm at the gym and listening to the radio/music, or other people may be, and some turkey decides when he (sometimes women) will turn the radio off and turn the TV on without asking permission.

I had a go at a bloke on Sunday for that very act, only because he is known for this kind of behaviour. I got a smart-alec response, and even though he turned the music back on, the TV stayed on anyhow.

Enough of my ranting. Does anyone else feel the same way about decent manners, or is this just old-fashioned?:mad:
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Well I am 19 and I think things have changed in the last decade. When I was at primary school (say prep/grade1) we were actually made to say good morning and good afternoon to our teacher. I spent a day in a grade 1 class with my little cousin on a kind of mother helper thing and I was astonished that this teacher was not teaching the kids manners and all those sorts of things. This little boy in the class will take something from you and not say thankyou and when he wants something he never says please. To me, we've gone backward in this country. Where are peoples manners? Where have they gone? I worry that all this will only get worse when these little kids who have never been taught any manners grow up!
 
Nah, I agree with you. I could still be considered a kid myself, but I know that I have good manners. I would never dream of acting the way a lot of kids do these days. I find even kids a few years younger than me are shocking at school; they don't say please, thank you, excuse me, sorry etc, they swear at and backchat the teachers, they don't wait for the class using their room in the previous period to leave the room (ie they just walk in even if the teacher is still in there), they push in lines, yell in corridors & classrooms, don't wipe their feet, talk when teachers are talking, won't hold doors open and always barge through when it's expected someone usually will stop and let the other through, won't acknowledge people with a smile or hello...

Arghh...who is (not) teaching kids these days? :mad:
 
meh, i fink ur right and wrong. Who says that just cause u want to listen to the radio soo does every1 else? Although yes... the guy should have asked permission. I dont fink u needed to have a go at someone. You CAN get a PORTABLE RADIO if u like. Then there isnt any arguments.

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Originally posted by BomberGal
Nah, I agree with you. I could still be considered a kid myself, but I know that I have good manners. I would never dream of acting the way a lot of kids do these days. I find even kids a few years younger than me are shocking at school; they don't say please, thank you, excuse me, sorry etc, they swear at and backchat the teachers, they don't wait for the class using their room in the previous period to leave the room (ie they just walk in even if the teacher is still in there), they push in lines, yell in corridors & classrooms, don't wipe their feet, talk when teachers are talking, won't hold doors open and always barge through when it's expected someone usually will stop and let the other through, won't acknowledge people with a smile or hello...

Arghh...who is (not) teaching kids these days? :mad:
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sounds very VERY familiar, just not good enough really is it.
 
Originally posted by Saint4Life
I dont fink u needed to have a go at someone. You CAN get a PORTABLE RADIO if u like. Then there isnt any arguments.
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Doesn't change today's lack of manners!

Damn right we should have a go at people! I went off at those little kids who barged into my classroom today when the bell went, especially considering we were still actually discussing someone with our teacher. Something along the lines of..."Are you guys actually aware there is still a class in here?" And you know what reply I got? "*whingy whiney voice* bla bla bla this is our room now." Waiting wouldn't kill you. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by BomberGal
Nah, I agree with you. I could still be considered a kid myself, but I know that I have good manners. I would never dream of acting the way a lot of kids do these days. I find even kids a few years younger than me are shocking at school; they don't say please, thank you, excuse me, sorry etc, they swear at and backchat the teachers, they don't wait for the class using their room in the previous period to leave the room (ie they just walk in even if the teacher is still in there), they push in lines, yell in corridors & classrooms, don't wipe their feet, talk when teachers are talking, won't hold doors open and always barge through when it's expected someone usually will stop and let the other through, won't acknowledge people with a smile or hello...

Arghh...who is (not) teaching kids these days? :mad:
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Ahhh BomberGal, I'm glad someone else feels the same way. I feel that, as a 21 year old, I can be heard uttering the phrase "kids these days..." a lot more often than I probably should. So often I see kids doing the sorts of things I would never have dared to have done at their age - that not even the nastiest kids in my class did. What is it though? Why are people losing manners, and obviously, not teaching them to the younger generation?
 
What is it though? Why are people losing manners, and obviously, not teaching them to the younger generation?
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Less and less people are willing to enforce boundaries or are too scared to pull these idiots up for not doing the right thing. Obviously in the case of kids there are two main groups who should be doing this, parents and teachers. Teachers probably are warned off of being super strict due to all the politically correct, legal, marshmallow crap and most parents who have these little rats for children refuse to acknowldge that they are annoying little turds.

Lack of discipline and respect for others is why manners are going down the drain. Some people just need a good old fashioned kick up the backside - they don't get it and think that their behaviour is appropriate and that they can get away with being selfish, ignorant, inconsiderate ratbags.
 
I had an experience today that could be related to this thread.

Usually when the elevator doors open, I let the people getting out first then I will go in. No not today. this halfwit barged right into me as I was exiting the lift and had a go at me. I mean how ****en dare him.

Needless to say I am currently working in North Sydney where manners are a thing of the past. Everytime I work in this part of town I come across the worst in people. I was nearly run over for the 100th time by a suit driving his brand spanking Land Cruiser while it was my right of way to cross the street.

Re Kids these days IMHO this is the fall out from hyper sensitive PC parents who have removed any authority teachers had on kids. Heck I used to cop the strap at school if I didn't show any manners at all to my teachers or peers.
 
In my experience it is the older ones, like me (over 35!) that are the worst, which surprises me. They're the ones who are old enough to have been taught good manners by their parents, so when I find this sort of behaviour in older people it annoys me.

I try and do the right thing, like return my cup and saucer if having a coffee at the local cafe, and a cheery "Hello" to the staff. Does anyone here actually chat to the check-out staff at the supermarket?

I'm not trying to make out I'm a saint, but feel that a bit of effort can make a difference, and wish others would reciprocate at times.:)
 
Originally posted by bulldogs1
In my experience it is the older ones, like me (over 35!) that are the worst, which surprises me. They're the ones who are old enough to have been taught good manners by their parents, so when I find this sort of behaviour in older people it annoys me.

I try and do the right thing, like return my cup and saucer if having a coffee at the local cafe, and a cheery "Hello" to the staff. Does anyone here actually chat to the check-out staff at the supermarket?

I'm not trying to make out I'm a saint, but feel that a bit of effort can make a difference, and wish others would reciprocate at times.:)
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Yes I always talk to the supermarket staff! I like it, generally their nice people. Im no saint either but I TRY and be polite!
 
Another case in point-on the way to work this morning, the train I was on stopped at Clifton Hill, which is quite a busy station. As the doors opened, a horde of suits barged their way onto the train. At the same time, there was a lone high school student trying to get off. Rusty was heard to comment loud enough so the new occupants on the train could hear "And people are always complaining about teenagers' lack of manners". All the new occupants steadfastly stared out of the window.
 
Originally posted by aggels
Ahhh BomberGal, I'm glad someone else feels the same way. I feel that, as a 21 year old, I can be heard uttering the phrase "kids these days..." a lot more often than I probably should.
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I'm sort of the same. I see the bloody Wutangs down the street and all I want to do is just walk up to them and snap 'em.

Little turds they are.

Having said that, I HATE it when the elderly, class all young people are moronic, good for nothing idiots. Constantly whinging, and when a young person is polite to them, sometimes they turn around with a comment like, 'well, you should have moved for me quicker'.

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I'm still pretty young (19 soon) and I know what manners are the thing is I choose when to use them for example if my gran was around I'd tone down my swearing and be a bit more polite, If I was around someone I didn't know I'd do the same thing but around other people I've known awhile I don't bother.
My little sister who is either 9 or 10 I dunno... Anyway she has no manners at all she chews with her mouth open she never says please or thank you she constantly calls people names and she's always trying to boss everyone around, I think of this kind of stuff as general kid's behaviour but when it's an adult or even an older kid it's totally different, You would expect them to be able to comprehend it's not too hard to say thank you to the guy who gives you your morning paper or other little things like that people often forget. My honest opinion is manners are like respect you should show people courtesy if they show it to you but that doesn't mean you should go out looking at the world as if everyone hates you.
Also you guys are right they aren't teaching basic good manners in schools anymore, I don't know why but I do think they should start doing it again. When I was at school we would get punished for doing things like grabbing another kid's pen without asking but now my sister always comes home with less or even more pens than she left with. Maybe it's just a newer generation of teachers who think basic life skills aren't a thing they need to pass down to their students. I remember all my teachers were alot older than the ones I see around schools now.
 
I think trains are the worst when it comes to manners. what is it - you step into the train and your on another planet where manners don't exist??? :rolleyes:

I'm on the Frankston line, and the other day on my way home from work, I was sitting there, when some guy hurriedly walked past me, and lifted his bag and smacked me in the head - and didn't even stop and say SORRY! stupid me though didn't say anything, and just sat there....it just amazes me though.. I mean, I always try to apologise if I've bumped someone, or anything...

what is this world coming to? :rolleyes:
 
What really peeves me off is when somebody is trying to get past you to get off a tram/train, and they dont bother to say excuse me!!!:mad:
 
Originally posted by Yianni
Sorry. Could you please tell me how old you are?
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The strap was outlawed in NSW in 1986-87 meaning my year was the last at our school to be cop it with this sort of punishment.

After that it was afternoon detention.
 

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I find at school it has a lot to do with the certain teacher (or anyone for that matter)

It is old fashioned to think that kids will cop other people's (usually older or someone with 'more power') crap and not talk back.

One of my teaches treats the class like adults, and we respect him for it and give him the respect back. We would never be rude to him.

I have another teacher who treats us like crap, like he's so superior. Because of his lack of respect for us, we have a lack of respect (or like) for him and often are rude to him (though never over the top)

I guess it doesn't say much about people in lifts and trains etc, but i still think it has to be taken into account.
 
Originally posted by Rusty Brookes
Another case in point-on the way to work this morning, the train I was on stopped at Clifton Hill, which is quite a busy station. As the doors opened, a horde of suits barged their way onto the train. At the same time, there was a lone high school student trying to get off. Rusty was heard to comment loud enough so the new occupants on the train could hear "And people are always complaining about teenagers' lack of manners". All the new occupants steadfastly stared out of the window.
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Actually you have a point there.

2 years ago, I got off the Sandringham line train at Windsor station. Down the end of the platform, the platform is a bit low, and I wasn't paying attention and sprained (and fractured) my ankle as I got out, falling to the ground. All the adults who got off at that station kept walking, and it was only a couple of teenagers who came to the door of the train and asked if I was okay. I waved them on because there was nothing they could do without getting off the train.

I sat there for a few minutes after the train left, obviously in trouble, crying, and vomitting from shock, and the adults on the other platform saw me and turned their heads to ignore me. Again it was a couple of teenagers who had apparently seen me fall, from up on Chapel Street, who eventually came down to help me up, make sure I was okay, and give me general advice about sprained ankles.

Yeah shocked me too. I guess there's rude people all over the place, but sometimes the polite ones do make up for it.
 
Originally posted by Frosties_Flank
Re Kids these days IMHO this is the fall out from hyper sensitive PC parents who have removed any authority teachers had on kids. Heck I used to cop the strap at school if I didn't show any manners at all to my teachers or peers.
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As a parent I'll be damned if I let anyone, including a teacher, physically abuse my child. It's a teachers' job to educate her, it's my job to ensure she has manners and to discipline her. It's completely barbaric to think that anyone ever allowed some stranger to hurt their children just because they carried the title "teacher".

**** that! :mad:
 
Agreed. However, not all parents ensure their children have manners. Spare the rod, spoil the child was the old saying, and while I don't agree with it, Mum's wooden spoon was a mighty fine deterrent for me.

As a part-time swim teacher, I can easily spot the kids who misbehave at the pool and match them up with the parents sitting next to the pool. After a conversation or two, its easy to see how the kids are influenced.

This does not account for the boorish behaviour that I initially described by a 50 yr old. Who knows, perhaps he was a bully at school.
Originally posted by mandy5
.... it's my job to ensure she has manners and to discipline her.
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Is it just me or does it seem that in today's world, to have manners and to be nice to people somehow gives the impression that someone is 'soft'.

I have a very big problem with people who cannot be civil or courteous when they are not getting something directly out of it. re the supermarket chat or saying something on a tram or whatever it might be.

What is wrong with people that somehow these small, insignificant yet occasionally interesting conversations with people we don't know, somehow threatens our progress in life?

Manners, courteousness, civility and friendliness costs you nothing to give but reaps rewards you never know about until you actually do it without expecting anything.
 

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