Compromised Draft Impact On Richmond

[Glitch]

Not sure if this has been raised....

The common held view that I have heard is that a compromised draft is bad for a rebuilding club. I would agree for someone hitting rock bottom.
However....

A team like Richmond it could be very beneficial. We are not overly far away and have quite a good base. Add the right player here and there and watch out.

This years talent pool is thiner, but still the top end talent is elite. This means teams like Melbourne, Richmond and Freo will do better compared to the Hawthorns etc normally would. Go back only a year ago and in a strong draft Hawthorn got Cyril to our Cotchin. Not a tremendous difference. But there could be this year.

Going forwards, the teams that finishes with the spoon will get pick 4 rather than pick one. The premier pick 26. That's really going to hurt the chances of the top teams staying up there as the talent pool drop off is tremendous at that point...it's mainly luck there.
Of course, if you are at the start of a re-build and need a compelete list transformation, ouch.

 

[coke_zero]

the team that comes last does not get pick 4. it is normal this year and next year GC come into the draft.

 

[telsor]

the team that comes last does not get pick 4. it is normal this year and next year GC come into the draft.

This year, they changed the minimum age, so the pool is only 2/3 as big.

Pick 1 would probably be pick 1 regardless ( 66% chance? ), but the further down you go...

Assuming all else is equal, pick 10 will get a player who would have gone ~15 in other years.

By around pick 50-60, you'll be drafting players who ( most years ) would have been lucky to make the rookie list.

 

[Spluff]

the team that comes last does not get pick 4. it is normal this year and next year GC come into the draft.

He said next year.

 

[coke_zero]

He said next year.

thats why he said this years talent pool.

if you can develop players good then it really doesnt matter what pick you get

 

[Spluff]

thats why he said this years talent pool.

Separate paragraphs denote different ideas or topics. The paragraph about 'pick 4' started with the words "Going forwards", which implies the next year.

 

[folester41]

the number of succesful players that have come off the rookie list or with late picks prove the whole draft system is hit and miss, we could get a dud with our first pick and a star with our 4th or 5th pick. i hope the club takes a whole handful of young players and turns over atleast 8 players, even though the draft is "shallow"

 

[Bojangles17]

the number of succesful players that have come off the rookie list or with late picks prove the whole draft system is hit and miss, we could get a dud with our first pick and a star with our 4th or 5th pick. i hope the club takes a whole handful of young players and turns over atleast 8 players, even though the draft is "shallow"

agreed....we 've demonstrated with Nahas browne and maybe Gourdis that it is worth investing in rookies

 

[coke_zero]

Separate paragraphs denote different ideas or topics. The paragraph about 'pick 4' started with the words "Going forwards", which implies the next year.

this is the last thing im going to say on it as i can't be bothered arguing about it. he never actully said next year, which you said he did. but now reading over it slowly he proberly is refering to it.

 

[Turbo Abe]

Interesting conversation.

The key for the Tiges will be talent identification. For all that has been said of Hawthorn's high picks, it has Birchall @ 14, Rioli @ 14, Sewell off the rookie list, that have complimented the Roughy/Buddy/Lewis/Hodge types.

You guys just need to make those mid ranged selections work for you, and get the top picks right. Good recruiters, and player development are the keys.

Go back only a year ago and in a strong draft Hawthorn got Cyril to our Cotchin. Not a tremendous difference. But there could be this year.

In which direction? Cotch will be a good player, but I wouldn't swap Cyril for anything running around at the same age - including Joel Selwood. The kid was a match winner in a GF at 18 after 22 games of AFL. There aren't any players to match that type of development.


Good luck in coming weeks folks! Just remember the good times are ahead!

 

[Glitch]

this is the last thing im going to say on it as i can't be bothered arguing about it. he never actully said next year, which you said he did. but now reading over it slowly he proberly is refering to it.

Sorry for not making it clear enough. I was referning to next year with the GC picks.

Another thing I forgot to mention is that I 'assume' we are not just one year away from being a top team and thus will get the 'relative low hanging fruit' from them there draft tree (due to finishing in the bottom half of the comp).

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Interesting conversation.

The key for the Tiges will be talent identification. For all that has been said of Hawthorn's high picks, it has Birchall @ 14, Rioli @ 14, Sewell off the rookie list, that have complimented the Roughy/Buddy/Lewis/Hodge types.

You guys just need to make those mid ranged selections work for you, and get the top picks right. Good recruiters, and player development are the keys.



In which direction? Cotch will be a good player, but I wouldn't swap Cyril for anything running around at the same age - including Joel Selwood. The kid was a match winner in a GF at 18 after 22 games of AFL. There aren't any players to match that type of development.


Good luck in coming weeks folks! Just remember the good times are ahead!

Rioli walked into a good side and was merely the icing on the cake.....Cotch came into a crap side that will hopefully be built around him into a good side..has yet to have an injury free season or a full pre-season and only has two or three teammates of any genuine class.Cotch's brilliance is generally more subtle and is not as flashy as Cyril's, but some of the things he's done so far are no less startling to anyone who really pays attention to the game...


Hodge, Dew and Geelong's inept goal kicking won the GF for your mob.... Cyril did some great things in the game, as he does in most, but was hardly a "matchwinner"...

 

[tony_montana]

rioli is the one who swung the momentum, dew iced it. He has developed into a matchwinner already. His impact is startling for one so young.
Don't sell him short, Cotch will be hard pressed to match him down the track let alone fly past him like some supporters think he easily will.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

rioli is the one who swung the momentum, dew iced it. He has developed into a matchwinner already. His impact is startling for one so young.
Don't sell him short, Cotch will be hard pressed to match him down the track let alone fly past him like some supporters think he easily will.

I never said Cotch would "fly past him"...but he hasn't exactly had the advantages and easy run Rioli has had so far...we've yet to see Rioli in a truly crap side and most likely never will until maybe late in his career...I do however find it extroadinary that there a still people who can't see what a freak Cotchin is too and are suggesting we somehow lost out by picking him over Cyril......

Geelong's goalkicking kept Hawthorn in it, Hodge swung the momentum...Dew's goals were the back breakers....