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Corey/Judd

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No but that doesn't mean Corey is better than Judd, I just don't think there'd be any reason to fix what ain't broken.
 

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No, because getting rid of part of a large part of the heart of this club would be bad news. Also, we'd have to pay Judd too much to make him worthwhile. Judd might be a bit better than Corey, but Corey offers much greater value for $.
 
Straight up, on the same $, then hell yes.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

No offence to Joel Corey, who is an absolute superstar, but we are talking about Chris Judd here. I think we would be able to slot him into our lineup.
 
I would trade JC for Kerr.

Gotta keep it short like the OP.
 
the problem with Judd is that he is getting to the twilight of his career which isn't to say that he has passed it. I am sure we will see a few good years out of him yet and his impact on Carlton has been impressive this year. But Joel Corey is also an elite midfielder and probably one of the most under-rated in the AFL. Always averages 30 odd touches a game. The only thing Judd has over him is that Judd is much better at the hard ball/contested side of things, where Corey is more an outside midfielder who gets the ball and runs it off. Judd of course reads the play better than anyone which is why he is so good IMO.

But I agree with hamG, I would consider a swap for Kerr if Joel was in agreeance with it ie he wanted to head home to WA to play. But if Joel wishes to remain a Cat for his career then we should keep him.
 
CatmanForever said:
the problem with Judd is that he is getting to the twilight of his career which isn't to say that he has passed it. I am sure we will see a few good years out of him yet and his impact on Carlton has been impressive this year. But Joel Corey is also an elite midfielder and probably one of the most under-rated in the AFL. Always averages 30 odd touches a game. The only thing Judd has over him is that Judd is much better at the hard ball/contested side of things, where Corey is more an outside midfielder who gets the ball and runs it off. Judd of course reads the play better than anyone which is why he is so good IMO.

But I agree with hamG, I would consider a swap for Kerr if Joel was in agreeance with it ie he wanted to head home to WA to play. But if Joel wishes to remain a Cat for his career then we should keep him.
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I think it's a myth that Joel isn't about the hard ball as much. You only need to look at the stats to see how important he is for us in getting it. And in terms of one percenters, he's all over Judd. Yes, Judd can break the lines and look impressive in bursts, but Joel is probably one of the most underrated stars in the comp (as you said). For those who are doubters, put the smother from last years prelim on loop and watch it till you realise how much this guy does for us, and how important he is. Judd is a great player, but there is no room for more superstars in the Geelong team. Wouldn't replace Joel for the world.
 
Mningasimisonda said:
I think it's a myth that Joel isn't about the hard ball as much. You only need to look at the stats to see how important he is for us in getting it. And in terms of one percenters, he's all over Judd. Yes, Judd can break the lines and look impressive in bursts, but Joel is probably one of the most underrated stars in the comp (as you said). For those who are doubters, put the smother from last years prelim on loop and watch it till you realise how much this guy does for us, and how important he is. Judd is a great player, but there is no room for more superstars in the Geelong team. Wouldn't replace Joel for the world.
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Yeh, couldn't agree more. He's both underrated and undervalued, even I suspect by Cat fans (not by the team/staff), which is the reason for posting the poll really.
 

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If both players were available in a draft, id take Judd before Corey.

For Geelong i'd keep Corey because of his durability and consistency. Having too many stars is not a good thing; Corey plays his role beautifully while Judd would just get in Ablett and Jimmy's way.:thumbsu:
 
No. Corey fits in with our structure as we know and he seems to be getting better and better. Judd is a class act of course but I don't see him getting better and better. I think Corey will still be going around when Judd hangs up the boots.

regards,

REB
 
cat_fanatic_21 said:
If both players were available in a draft, id take Judd before Corey.

For Geelong i'd keep Corey because of his durability and consistency. Having too many stars is not a good thing; Corey plays his role beautifully while Judd would just get in Ablett and Jimmy's way.:thumbsu:
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Corey is a star. And I don't agree with the bolded part of your post. It wasn't that long ago that Geelong 'didn't have any stars'. 18 months later we are a star studded unit. Winning football matches creates stars....and vice versa.

regards,

REB
 
Rik E Boy said:
Corey is a star. And I don't agree with the bolded part of your post. It wasn't that long ago that Geelong 'didn't have any stars'. 18 months later we are a star studded unit. Winning football matches creates stars....and vice versa.

regards,

REB
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Exactly. I think it may take 3 premierships (deep breath) and the passing of time before a lot of fans and commentators realise just how many 'stars' (elite players) Geelong has. It's not just teamwork and commitment that gets them where they are at the moment - it takes great skill, toughness, and consistency. We talk a lot about GAblett, Selwood, Scarlett, Bartel but Corey loses nothing against them in my opinion.

Take the tip gents and ladies, keep a close eye on Mr Corey over the next 6 weeks, you might be surprised.
 
No, and not because i think Corey is better than Judd.

Every team needs different styles of players that play different roles within the team. Judd and Ablett are very similar, ball carriers, highly skilled that break the lines. We have Ablett in Judds role, Joel plays the wide running role and carries the ball.

They are differet types of players, and we wouldnt want to swap Joels role in the team for another Ablett type. It would be great to have Ablett and Judd together but its about getting the right balance (which we have at the moment)
 

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Rik E Boy said:
No. Corey fits in with our structure as we know and he seems to be getting better and better. Judd is a class act of course but I don't see him getting better and better. I think Corey will still be going around when Judd hangs up the boots.

regards,

REB
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I personally doubt this, Joel is 2-3 years older than Judd.
Joel Corey is a very good player, but taking away other factors like salary cap and team chemistry, I would trade him for Judd in a second. Sure Joel is consistent and racks up alot of both contested and uncontested ball, but his kicking can be suspect. Judd isn't just an outside player in the mould of Ablett, he can also play as an inside player as can be seen in many of his games for Carlton this year. And we must remember that Judd is still recovering from his horror injury run of 2007 and won't be getting back to his very best until 2009.

I'm a huge fan of Joel Corey but really, you cannot compare him to the most talented midfielder in the league.
 
CatmanForever said:
the problem with Judd is that he is getting to the twilight of his career which isn't to say that he has passed it. I am sure we will see a few good years out of him yet and his impact on Carlton has been impressive this year. But Joel Corey is also an elite midfielder and probably one of the most under-rated in the AFL. Always averages 30 odd touches a game. The only thing Judd has over him is that Judd is much better at the hard ball/contested side of things, where Corey is more an outside midfielder who gets the ball and runs it off. Judd of course reads the play better than anyone which is why he is so good IMO.

But I agree with hamG, I would consider a swap for Kerr if Joel was in agreeance with it ie he wanted to head home to WA to play. But if Joel wishes to remain a Cat for his career then we should keep him.
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Corey is older than Judd. How is Judd getting to the end of his career? He is turning 25 in a month.
 
no, judd is too injury prone and i think corey is much more versatile. Chris judd's form has been up and down, he has had a few very quiet games, and i think the fact that he is carrying an injury should count against him as a player.
 
Joel Corey is one of my favorite players not only at Geelong but in the comp. His gut running and committment to the team are amazing.

But if you are talking straight swap. No considerations about age, salary cap or heart and soul of the club..

Then people you are dillusional. Judd.

Open your other eye people.
 
YYYAAABBBLLLEEETTT said:
No, and not because i think Corey is better than Judd.

Every team needs different styles of players that play different roles within the team. Judd and Ablett are very similar, ball carriers, highly skilled that break the lines. We have Ablett in Judds role, Joel plays the wide running role and carries the ball.

They are differet types of players, and we wouldnt want to swap Joels role in the team for another Ablett type. It would be great to have Ablett and Judd together but its about getting the right balance (which we have at the moment)
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exactly what i said, but you worded it better.
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Rik E Boy said:
Corey is a star. And I don't agree with the bolded part of your post. It wasn't that long ago that Geelong 'didn't have any stars'. 18 months later we are a star studded unit. Winning football matches creates stars....and vice versa.

regards,

REB
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I see where you are coming from REB, i also think Corey is a star, just that Judd (at his best) is up there with Ablett and i dont think Corey is on that level.

As for the bolded statement that a team can have too many stars - it's actually been documented and there are graphs showing 'no. of stars' vs 'win %' and the latter starts to go down after a certain number of star players are in the team. See any business sports book.

Anyhow, i wouldn't trade Corey for Judd.
 

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