Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

One of the best covid sheep videos I've seen.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

More than adding a specific number to it everyone should have to pass a test to breed. Financial, job outlook (the ability to get one even if you don't need one right now), basic skills etc

It's maddening the amount of no hopers that breed. Those kids deserve better

Children should not, under any circumstance have a baby. There was a girl in year 9 who had a kid at my high school. Who on earth thinks that's a good idea?!

Good mate of mine is a teacher, there's a kid in his school with a sibling in every single year level, Mum also pregnant again to the 3rd Dad. Those kids have no chance, she's not worked for a decade so little chance of ever being employed again. We're footing the bill for that and will for the next generation as those kids won't get a chance.

There probably is no specific number but there comes a time when every parent, no matter how good, runs out of resources and available time. Best mate just had a baby, they will be tremendous parents. If they had 3-4 more? They simply wouldn't have time. I've no idea how anyone thinks having 5+ is a good idea for anyone involved. "but we love each other and want another baby" is not reason enough to do it

I understand your concerns for people having more children than they can look after or any children at all if they cannot look after them but I don't think it's right to tell someone they can't procreate. It's one of our basic human rights IMO. I would look at creating a society where children can be better looked after (by their parents) and tackling the problems as to why those children can't be looked after properly (drug abuse, not enough money etc.).

I am the youngest of six. Although we didn't have a lot of money growing up, for most of that time my family only had one income, we had a freakin' awesome childhood! It was possible in the 60s and 70s to have a big family on one income. It's a different dynamic for sure than being in a small family but we did all get the attention we needed. The fact that people can only afford to have one or two children now is really sad to me. I absolutely love being part of a big family, especially as I have no kids of my own; siblings and nephews and nieces (and I even have seven great nephews and nieces!) are really important now that my parents have passed away.

 

[burge13]

I understand your concerns for people having more children than they can look after or any children at all if they cannot look after them but I don't think it's right to tell someone they can't procreate. It's one of our basic human rights IMO. I would look at creating a society where children can be better looked after (by their parents) and tackling the problems as to why those children can't be looked after properly (drug abuse, not enough money etc.).

I am the youngest of six. Although we didn't have a lot of money growing up, for most of that time my family only had one income, we had a freakin' awesome childhood! It was possible in the 60s and 70s to have a big family on one income. It's a different dynamic for sure than being in a small family but we did all get the attention we needed. The fact that people can only afford to have one or two children now is really sad to me. I absolutely love being part of a big family, especially as I have no kids of my own; siblings and nephews and nieces (and I even have seven great nephews and nieces!) are really important now that my parents have passed away.

But that's just it, society has changed now. It just isn't possible anymore, not if you want to give a good life to them
And it shouldn't just be a basic human right. Some people shouldn't procreate.

 

[BlueE]

But that's just it, society has changed now. It just isn't possible anymore, not if you want to give a good life to them
And it shouldn't just be a basic human right. Some people shouldn't procreate.

The people who are bringing you the Great Reset today, in 1973 were talking about The Davos manifesto under Prince Bernard of Netherlands, Schwab and others saying too many people living on the earth, popn increasing and food decreasing. These ideas were brought up for 200 years but it’s never happened and today countries like Japan are have an older popn with more people dying than being born.

That is their fundamental justification as we are a herd of cattle or mice and overpopn of herd causes problems so we have to take measures to decrease popn. Buckminster Fuller wrote many books claiming those ideas wrong and lists reasons why. As popn grows, we are getting better with uses of resources, growing food, and Earth can sustain 20 or 30 billion. Without problem.

However in the eyes of some you (or we) are cluttering up the planet they want to live on, and getting us to believe and parrot this, making claims like you are and suggesting births have to be limited or banned is one of their successes predicted from early psych experiments!!

If you have some time watch or listen to this which has some insights and links to check out.

 

[burge13]

The people who are bringing you the Great Reset today, in 1973 were talking about The Davos manifesto under Prince Bernard of Netherlands, Schwab and others saying too many people living on the earth, popn increasing and food decreasing. These ideas were brought up for 200 years but it’s never happened and today countries like Japan are have an older popn with more people dying than being born.

That is their fundamental justification as we are a herd of cattle or mice and overpopn of herd causes problems so we have to take measures to decrease popn. Buckminster Fuller wrote many books claiming those ideas wrong and lists reasons why. As popn grows, we are getting better with uses of resources, growing food, and Earth can sustain 20 or 30 billion. Without problem.

However in the eyes of some you (or we) are cluttering up the planet they want to live on, and getting us to believe and parrot this, making claims like you are and suggesting births have to be limited or banned is one of their successes predicted from early psych experiments!!

If you have some time watch or listen to this which has some insights and links to check out.

I'm not suggesting total births be limited. I kind of agree there are too many people as is but at the same time agree the top 1% could do infinitely more to help therefore we don't really know either way. Call it agnostic on total population. No strong lean but my lean is we have too many people

What I am suggesting is dead set, no-hopers should be limited. There is a vast difference between the 2

2 dead beats having 4+ kids is not going to produce a good outcome very often...

 

[BlueE]

I'm not suggesting total births be limited. I kind of agree there are too many people as is but at the same time agree the top 1% could do infinitely more to help therefore we don't really know either way. Call it agnostic on total population. No strong lean but my lean is we have too many people

What I am suggesting is dead set, no-hopers should be limited. There is a vast difference between the 2

2 dead beats having 4+ kids is not going to produce a good outcome very often...

I've think you've taken the "black pill" and on a slippery slope.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

But that's just it, society has changed now. It just isn't possible anymore, not if you want to give a good life to them
And it shouldn't just be a basic human right. Some people shouldn't procreate.

Well that is where you and I disagree I guess. Society has changed, yes, let's change it again so people are able to have big families if they want to, it won't be compulsory Change it so that people with drug issues are able to get over those issues (or not get into them in the first place) and have kids if they want to, not tell people they can't have kids or must limit their family size. That would be my solution. Rules around pro-creation are a definite no-no for me.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

Contacts were in Wuhan, watching things develop.It happened.

Did they see people collapsing in the street wtih their own eyes? Did thy get welded into their apartment?

 

[parsons nose]

Historical US death toll chart uses incomplete data

Posts on social media are attempting to downplay the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic using a chart that shows that the 2

www.politifact.com

 

[parsons nose]

Interesting that those dubious sources were the only ones I found that linked to the 92 page Pfizer briefing document, which provides most of the facts known about the vaccine since unlike AZ, they have not bothered to publish and let their information be seen or peer reviewed. So like you, I believe getting the "facts" or being told the "science" from the MSM is dangerous.

I posted the sources which had links to the original documents and letters written to the FDA from specialists, and don't take much notice of whatever else is written as its opinion without evidence.

One of the myths the MSM is peddling is that this vaccine is 95% effective, but the briefing document makes it clear that effectiveness is only measured on whether the subjects develop antibodies against the spike protein injected. Antibodies were developed in primates BUT all of the primates then became infected with COVID when they were challenged with the "virus".

The human subjects were not challenged or given COVID to test how effective the vaccine was in stopping humans getting COVID. Some subjects were said to have COVID, but this was mainly in the placebo group and the testing was over rtPCT tests with over 44 replications, shown to not be reliable indicator of COVID.

So this vaccine does not stop primates getting infected and there were no studies to test whether the primates then passed the infection to others, although Fauci stated vaccinated people will still be able to pass on COVID to others.

Their animal studies on mice and a few primates were incomplete or failed to test for the serious issue of pathogenic priming causing "disease enhancement". This happened with the first SARS CoV 1 virus animal studies when vaccinations caused hyper immune responses including inflammation throughout their bodies, especially in their lungs. When exposed to the same virus the effects were far worse after vaccination.

Pfizer human trials did not rule out pathogenic priming in any way. Both the Moderna and Pfizer animal studies, which used non-human primates, failed to examine organ sites other than lung, and while they studied potential markers of pathogenic priming, they failed to measure one: interleukin-5 (IL-5), which had been found in prior coronavirus studies to be elevated in conjunction with pathogenic priming-induced disease enhancement.

Recalling that animal studies conducted on prior COVID vaccines found pathogenic priming leading to disease enhancement in older animals more than younger animals, older adults may be at highest risk of serious chronic illness due to autoimmunity resulting from vaccine-induced pathogenic priming.

Rolling out the Pfizer vaccine with incomplete studies on possible infertility and pregnancy is incomprehensible. The mouse pregnancy study was incomplete and the advice given to UK Drs for recipients of the vaccine (but not given out to the participants) was not to become pregnant within 2 months and it was unknown whether taking the vaccine resulted in infertility. There was no data given, and it could be because they only had 2 months data from the mice.

According to ex Pfizer head of respiratory research, Dr Yeadon and German lung specialist and former head of the public health department, Dr Wodang, in a petition to the European regulators, the vaccine contains syncytin-1 spike protein, vital for the formation of human placenta in women. If the vaccine works so that we form an immune response AGAINST the spike protein, we are also training the female body to attack syncytin-1, which could lead to infertility in women of an unspecified duration.

Once again, thanks for going to a lot of trouble there. The primary source you used was an anti-vaxxer website, so anyone wanting a balanced argument for a vaccine would need to also source an alternative view. No-one should be getting the vaccine without doing their due diligence first. Due diligence and personal circumstances will go along way to informing a person whether to get the vaccine or not. The world which we inhabit would be a lot different without the contributions of vaccines and medical science in general.

 

[burge13]

Well that is where you and I disagree I guess. Society has changed, yes, let's change it again so people are able to have big families if they want to, it won't be compulsory Change it so that people with drug issues are able to get over those issues (or not get into them in the first place) and have kids if they want to, not tell people they can't have kids or must limit their family size. That would be my solution. Rules around pro-creation are a definite no-no for me.

I think peoples choices are fine but reality is society has changed now. It isnt feasible to have a soccer team and afford each kid a genuine opportunity in life. If you cant do that, you shouldnt have them imo. It isnt fair bringing a kid into the world just because, they rely on you to provide after all. Too many people have them without the ability to do that. I genuinely dont understand supporting it. Its supporting "rights" of people without a thought for the kids...

 

[Run n Spread]

Bit galling for Fiona Patton to jump in on the news critical of hotel quarentine when she jumped straight into bed with the Andrews government voting for these restrictions. A joke. So are the liberals. Who gives a crap about quarentine? It is a flu ffs. Other states have worse issues with that but warmer climates.

 

[Steele13]

Your not seeing whats happening in the US UK and EU ?
You think they are OK its just over hyped ?

I respect your persistence Hawkie. You're clearly not going to change any minds in here, but you keep fronting up day in day out for some interesting discourse. Since you're the only lockdown lover who frequents these parts, I would like to pick your brain a bit. Not taking into account any of the outlandish conspiracy theories, I (and others in here), think a serious line has been crossed by those in charge on our freedoms. But having said that, everyone has a different line for these sorts of things. I drew the line well before enforced curfews and being confined to home for 23 hours a day, but others were happy with that. I could live with some businesses having caps on people in store, but though it was too much closing certain shops. What I would like to know, is what is your line? At what point would you stop and say, hang on, that's a step too far? I mean, taken at face value, it's a pretty nasty virus. But you would have to agree, it's not that bad. I mean, it is harmless to the vast majority of those who get it. If the 1918 world of 2 billion people can survive the worst conflict in human history and then 50-100 million dead in the next two years due to a flu, without the stripping of freedoms, we probably would have been just fine with some sensible and calm policy.

 

[burge13]

I respect your persistence Hawkie. You're clearly not going to change any minds in here, but you keep fronting up day in day out for some interesting discourse.

He hasnt said anything interesting for months

His answer will be some kind of "whatever the elected official says is good by me" as he is incapable of thought. This is proven time and time again

 

[Steele13]

He hasnt said anything interesting for months

His answer will be some kind of "whatever the elected official says is good by me" as he is incapable of thought. This is proven time and time again

He does regurgitate a lot of trash, but I though it might be a chance to display some independent thought, even if I disagree with it.

 

[burge13]

He does regurgitate a lot of trash, but I though it might be a chance to display some independent thought, even if I disagree with it.

We shall see. Id be interested where he draws the line also

 

[BlueE]

Once again, thanks for going to a lot of trouble there. The primary source you used was an anti-vaxxer website, so anyone wanting a balanced argument for a vaccine would need to also source an alternative view. No-one should be getting the vaccine without doing their due diligence first. Due diligence and personal circumstances will go along way to informing a person whether to get the vaccine or not. The world which we inhabit would be a lot different without the contributions of vaccines and medical science in general.

I didn't realise that Children's Health Defense is an anti vacc site, as it was the only site that had I found links to 92 page Pfizer briefing document and information sent to the FDA by specialist Drs. The main stream media could have linked or reported on it, but didn't. Have you found out yet what they are using for the "placebo" so the side effects are similar? Meningitis vaccine? Dengue fever? Anthrax? Strange that wasn't in the 92 pages unless I missed it.

The problem is many people won't have a choice if they want to have the vaccine and I don't think we'll know whether we're getting a mRNA vaccine or not. And there is absolute indemnity to the makers and whoever gives the vaccines in US, Australia and UK, with Canada agreeing to compensate at some level.

McGowan has already stated in an news report posted on this thread, that all school children will have to be vaccinated to attend, when no children under 18 have been trialed. Pfizer only just enrolling 100 (50 to vaccine group) 12 to 17 year olds now.

I'd be happier reading it in the Lancet like the three Astra Zeneca reports of their studies, and there is still so many unknowns most related to mRNA. There is no logical reason for rushing this vaccine out in 10 months, other than greed of the people and companies behind them. Name any other successful vaccine never used before that has been developed in that time. There has not been a successful mRNA vaccine ever and the previous SARS CoV 1 vaccine did not progress past animal studies that were much more thorough than what Pfizer has shown.

Again MSM is silent when the ex head of Pfizer research, and others of the best specialists in France, Germany, Switzerland, Canada, along with meetings of hundreds of Doctors in Germany, USA, Senate committee hearings in the US are warning of serious problems with a COVID vaccine and suggesting vulnerable, elderly can be treated, or given preventive medicines or Prophylactics immediately.

 

[burge13]

Disgraceful theyre forcing it onto kids who are of almost literally no danger and theyve told us they dont spread it hence schools staying open. If McGowan has kids i hope they get side effects, might see what hes forcing then.

These pricks just want to be heroes. They are losers, always have been. No mates in school other than fellow hall monitors, debate team at uni, union rep in first job. Now all eyes are on them, lifes losers could be batman. This is why Andrews and McGowan are so obsessed with this. Otherwise they go back to knowing they are toolbags no one actually likes...

 

[BlueE]

Historical US death toll chart uses incomplete data

Posts on social media are attempting to downplay the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic using a chart that shows that the 2

www.politifact.com

Ignoring for a minute that Politifact is pro-Democrat Soros funded organization, tasked with 'debunking' anything that paints the Republican party in a positive light. https://newspunch.com/politifact-soros-propaganda/
Politifact state "The 2020 statistics cited are not the final figures, and the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention has estimated that hundreds of thousands of excess American deaths are attributed to the virus this year." CDC stated only around 6% of deaths reported to be from COVID were from other underlying casues and in other years would be attributed to those causes.

"Lastly, it ignores that COVID-19 has killed over 290,000 Americans to-date, the highest virus death toll in the world." There are many statements besides the CDC to refute that.

A Johns Hopkins University study of November 22nd was publ9shed that contradicts the widespread belief that thousands have died in the United States from Cov-19 and 1.5 million worldwide.

Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Johns Hopkins University, analyzed the impact of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths. She compared it to total deaths.

NO EFFECT ON DEATHS OVERALL. According to the study, “in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.”

The study compiled a graph for comparison with CDC data by age from early February to early September. The deaths of older people, the most vulnerable, did not increase the percentage of deaths in older age groups. They “remained the same."

Briand states, it seems different because “Analysis of deaths per cause in 2018 revealed that the pattern of seasonal increase in the total number of deaths is a result of the rise in deaths by all causes, with the top three being heart disease, respiratory diseases, influenza, and pneumonia.”

The study found that in comparison to the CDC data this year, “This trend is completely contrary to the pattern observed in all previous years.” In fact, “the total decrease in deaths by other causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19.”

Briand concludes that the COVID-19 death toll in the United States is misleading and that deaths from other diseases are being categorized as COVID-19 deaths.

A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19

According to new data, the U.S. currently ranks first in total COVID-19 cases, new cases per day and deaths. Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths using data from the...

web.archive.org

 

[BlueE]

Disgraceful theyre forcing it onto kids who are of almost literally no danger and theyve told us they dont spread it hence schools staying open. If McGowan has kids i hope they get side effects, might see what hes forcing then.

These pricks just want to be heroes. They are losers, always have been. No mates in school other than fellow hall monitors, debate team at uni, union rep in first job. Now all eyes are on them, lifes losers could be batman. This is why Andrews and McGowan are so obsessed with this. Otherwise they go back to knowing they are toolbags no one actually likes...

McGowan is riding on an incredible popularity percentage, around 92% from how he's handled COVID. I liked how he actually dispelled the fear in WA by sending everyone back to school, keeping many business open, not shutting beaches or takeaways and no masks necessary all during "lockdown" with cops acting with discretion on gatherings like BLM and dawn Anzac.

But with the election in March I think he's jumped on the fear bandwagon, reading public opinion as it being the right thing to do. However, for those reasons above and some other important reasons, no one I know feels any fear or any need to get a vaccine.

 

[burge13]

McGowan is riding on an incredible popularity percentage, around 92% from how he's handled COVID. I liked how he actually dispelled the fear in WA by sending everyone back to school, keeping many business open, not shutting beaches or takeaways and no masks necessary all during "lockdown" with cops acting with discretion on gatherings like BLM and dawn Anzac.

But with the election in March I think he's jumped on the fear bandwagon, reading public opinion as it being the right thing to do. However, for those reasons above and some other important reasons, no one I know feels any fear or any need to get a vaccine.

He has gone too far, not as bad as Dan but he too has lost it and drunk on power. Absolute tosser but almost all pollies are i guess. Are there any 'normal' politicians? Prerequisite to getting into politics is being a campaigner of a human

 

[BlueE]

He has gone too far, not as bad as Dan but he too has lost it and drunk on power. Absolute tosser but almost all pollies are i guess. Are there any 'normal' politicians? Prerequisite to getting into politics is being a campaigner of a human

He has got school age kids and I bet he will change this directive, or I very much hope he will, when he gets informed of some of the possible side effects and 0% (I'm rounding as it could be 0.003 something?) danger of serious illness or death, from a vaccine that hasn't been proved effective in stopping you getting the Rona or passing the Rona on.

 

[Spitty_the_alpaca]

He has gone too far, not as bad as Dan but he too has lost it and drunk on power. Absolute tosser but almost all pollies are i guess. Are there any 'normal' politicians? Prerequisite to getting into politics is being a campaigner of a human

McKaren has done **** all in 3.5 years other than ride high on the back of china flu and record high iron ore prices.

 

[maryjames]

ffs. Who listens to who these days?

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

Tedros Adhanom: WHO chief may face genocide charges

An American economist nominated for the Nobel peace prize has called for the head of the World Health Organisation to be prosecuted for genocide over his allege

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[parsons nose]

Once again, thanks for going to a lot of trouble there. The primary source you used was an anti-vaxxer website, so anyone wanting a balanced argument for a vaccine would need to also source an alternative view. No-one should be getting the vaccine without doing their due diligence first. Due diligence and personal circumstances will go along way to informing a person whether to get the vaccine or not. The world which we inhabit would be a lot different without the contributions of vaccines and medical science in general.

I didn't realise that Children's Health Defense is an anti vacc site, as it was the only site that had I found links to 92 page Pfizer briefing document and information sent to the FDA by specialist Drs. The main stream media could have linked or reported on it, but didn't. Have you found out yet what they are using for the "placebo" so the side effects are similar? Meningitis vaccine? Dengue fever? Anthrax? Strange that wasn't in the 92 pages unless I missed it.

The problem is many people won't have a choice if they want to have the vaccine and I don't think we'll know whether we're getting a mRNA vaccine or not. And there is absolute indemnity to the makers and whoever gives the vaccines in US, Australia and UK, with Canada agreeing to compensate at some level.

McGowan has already stated in an news report posted on this thread, that all school children will have to be vaccinated to attend, when no children under 18 have been trialed. Pfizer only just enrolling 100 (50 to vaccine group) 12 to 17 year olds now.

I'd be happier reading it in the Lancet like the three Astra Zeneca reports of their studies, and there is still so many unknowns most related to mRNA. There is no logical reason for rushing this vaccine out in 10 months, other than greed of the people and companies behind them. Name any other successful vaccine never used before that has been developed in that time. There has not been a successful mRNA vaccine ever and the previous SARS CoV 1 vaccine did not progress past animal studies that were much more thorough than what Pfizer has shown.

Again MSM is silent when the ex head of Pfizer research, and others of the best specialists in France, Germany, Switzerland, Canada, along with meetings of hundreds of Doctors in Germany, USA, Senate committee hearings in the US are warning of serious problems with a COVID vaccine and suggesting vulnerable, elderly can be treated, or given preventive medicines or Prophylactics immediately.

As I mentioned earlier, time to market is a legitimate concern for some and should be factored into any decision on whether to get the vaccine. For others this won’t be an issue when framed in a broader context. Each to their, and we shouldn’t be critical of personal decisions either way. Mc Gowan has no basis for vaccine enforcement and such a decision would signal government overreach, however I can’t find any press release stating his intentions on this- can you point me in the right direction?

Ignoring for a minute that Politifact is pro-Democrat Soros funded organization, tasked with 'debunking' anything that paints the Republican party in a positive light. https://newspunch.com/politifact-soros-propaganda/
Politifact state "The 2020 statistics cited are not the final figures, and the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention has estimated that hundreds of thousands of excess American deaths are attributed to the virus this year." CDC stated only around 6% of deaths reported to be from COVID were from other underlying casues and in other years would be attributed to those causes.

"Lastly, it ignores that COVID-19 has killed over 290,000 Americans to-date, the highest virus death toll in the world." There are many statements besides the CDC to refute that.

A Johns Hopkins University study of November 22nd was publ9shed that contradicts the widespread belief that thousands have died in the United States from Cov-19 and 1.5 million worldwide.

Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Johns Hopkins University, analyzed the impact of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths. She compared it to total deaths.

NO EFFECT ON DEATHS OVERALL. According to the study, “in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.”

The study compiled a graph for comparison with CDC data by age from early February to early September. The deaths of older people, the most vulnerable, did not increase the percentage of deaths in older age groups. They “remained the same."

Briand states, it seems different because “Analysis of deaths per cause in 2018 revealed that the pattern of seasonal increase in the total number of deaths is a result of the rise in deaths by all causes, with the top three being heart disease, respiratory diseases, influenza, and pneumonia.”

The study found that in comparison to the CDC data this year, “This trend is completely contrary to the pattern observed in all previous years.” In fact, “the total decrease in deaths by other causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19.”

Briand concludes that the COVID-19 death toll in the United States is misleading and that deaths from other diseases are being categorized as COVID-19 deaths.

A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19

According to new data, the U.S. currently ranks first in total COVID-19 cases, new cases per day and deaths. Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths using data from the...

web.archive.org

Briand is an economist and a quick Google search will tell you the John Hopkins institute retracted the piece on the 27th of November; 5 days after it was released. You can draw your own conclusions to the reason for this retraction.