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Thoughts on COVID-19? (Choose 2 options)

  • It's a naturally occurring virus

    Votes: 15 20.3%
  • It came from a Chinese laboratory

    Votes: 31 41.9%
  • It came from a US/other laboratory

    Votes: 5 6.8%
  • It's dangerous and harsh restrictions are necessary

    Votes: 19 25.7%
  • It's not dangerous enough to warrant harsh restrictions

    Votes: 22 29.7%
  • It's basically another flu, so restrictions are silly

    Votes: 14 18.9%

  • Total voters
    74

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I’ve made it clear I’m speaking about. Deaths from blood clots. So deaths from clots are far far more likely with the Pill than AZ Vaccine.

I’ve asked you to provide a mechanism explaining how mRNA Vaccines can permanently change human genome.
You digress with irrelevancy.
So offer the mechanism or stop with the misinformation.
It’s simple mate.
Deaths from suspicions of blood clots associated with the pill? "contraceptive pill may have contributed to 550 deaths since 1963"

So theoretically you're talking about the same number of deaths directly linked to just these unusual blood clots in Australia for people under 55 if we used 50 mil doses of AZ injections in one year, to the same number of deaths over 58 years?

You said "I’ve debunked your theory that mRNA vaccines cause permanent genetic changes." But you haven't, and if you had set up your own animal experiments I would very much like to see the results of that. One of the companies has set up experiments but have said they're ongoing and haven't reported. No independent authorities have been able to duplicate or check the research because the make up of the genetic material of the spike proteins in the experimental injections has never been disclosed or provided for peer review. SO for these particular injections, it's unknown!

The mechanism of genetic changes theoretically possible in the COVID injections was presented to the EU Regulatory authority, and they asked for emergency permission to be withheld until further studies of the experimental injections were completed. Only Switzerland listened, but since then many countries in Europe have either halted AZ injections or banned then for under 55 year olds.

It is simple. You've been called out on every single claim you've made, have not read or understood any original sources and the one argument you incorrectly claim as the only way gene therapy can occur is moot.

Here's just one example.
 
Deaths from suspicions of blood clots associated with the pill? "contraceptive pill may have contributed to 550 deaths since 1963"

So theoretically you're talking about the same number of deaths directly linked to just these unusual blood clots in Australia for people under 55 if we used 50 mil doses of AZ injections in one year, to the same number of deaths over 58 years?

You said "I’ve debunked your theory that mRNA vaccines cause permanent genetic changes." But you haven't, and if you had set up your own animal experiments I would very much like to see the results of that. One of the companies has set up experiments but have said they're ongoing and haven't reported. No independent authorities have been able to duplicate or check the research because the make up of the genetic material of the spike proteins in the experimental injections has never been disclosed or provided for peer review. SO for these particular injections, it's unknown!

The mechanism of genetic changes theoretically possible in the COVID injections was presented to the EU Regulatory authority, and they asked for emergency permission to be withheld until further studies of the experimental injections were completed. Only Switzerland listened, but since then many countries in Europe have either halted AZ injections or banned then for under 55 year olds.

It is simple. You've been called out on every single claim you've made, have not read or understood any original sources and the one argument you incorrectly claim as the only way gene therapy can occur is moot.

Here's just one example.

You must very focused on BF I changed my post to Life Threatening clots almost immediately.

Upto 757,000 blood clots from the pill
from around 840 million users.
I hope you’re telling the women in your life the pill is worse than AZ Vaccine.



I’ve been called out on anything- zero.
The paper you’ve provided again is wasting my time - it’s got nothing to do with a mechanism for an mRNA Vaccine to permanently change the human genome.
 
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Proves the lock down policies worked
Try that in a country that was half arsed
It's an attitude, and a refreshing one at total opposite to the peanut at the aquatic centre who asked me to move because I was within 1.5m of him. We shouldn't change the world to indulge those with irrational fears.
 
I played poker at Skycity Adelaide on Friday night and it was like stepping back into pre-Covid life.
10 8-handed tables going with obviously no social distancing possible, didn't see anyone using the few sanitiser bottles available, no masks. If it wasn't for the rigorously-enforced QR check-in you'd describe it as, dare I say, normal. :'(

Poker is one of the worst activities for spreading any kind of bug, equivalent to sitting at a table shaking hands with a bunch of strangers for hours on end. Indoor space, close proximity to the same people, constant rehandling of chips, cards, cash. It was nice to see people just considering that as a normal risk of undertaking life.
I reckon NO SPIN would be good at Poker. ;)
 

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I touched on mrna/dna in studies in what seems a lifetime ago. As much as I would love to join in the conversation, I can't kick start my memory.

Can I say though, genome editing has been around since the start of last century.
So to state crispr is the only way to alter genome sequence is completely untrue.
 
last time I checked Diabetes, arthritis, hypertension , Cancer , Surgery etc etc were not treated with sanitation, heating etc.
A hell of a lot of death/sickness these days is self inflicted ie. lifestyle choices > poor diet, lack of exercise, smoking, excess alcohol consumption, drugs.

Obesity is a killer.
 
A huge generalization and irrelevant.

Given medication for hypertension diabetes, cancer, heart arrhythmia etc increase longevity compared to no treatment, then the alkalinity issues is irrelevant.
When did this board of Bigfooty become the new SRP? It must be a flow on effect from us being wrongfully banned from SRP.
 
You must very focused on BF I changed my post to Life Threatening clots almost immediately.
I’ve been called out on anything- zero.
The paper you’ve provided again is wasting my time - it’s got nothing to do with a mechanism to permanently change the human genome.
What are you talking about? I gave number on deaths over 58 years that may have a connection to the pill, isn't that life threatening? Same number that if using the percentage that died from blood clots affecting the immune platelet response in German directly. Hardly same-same.

Oh so sorry for wasting your flipping time, but you order me to provide this produce that but hasn't read the vaccine studies or previous corona vaccine animal research, EU regulatory letters and can't answer any questions, while misrepresenting mRNA and RNA vaccines and claims they've debunked the COVID 19 injections causing genetic changes even though they don't know the genetic make up of the injections!

There are hypothetical, plausible molecular pathways by which a mRNA vaccine will permanently alter your genomic DNA could occur. This current research validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.


Scientists at Harvard and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), produced findings about wild coronavirus that raise questions about how viral RNA operates.

Their key findings were as follows: SARS-CoV-2 RNAs “can be reverse transcribed in human cells,” “these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed” (a phenomenon called “retro-integration”) — and there are viable cellular pathways to explain how this happens.

Detrimental effects are a distinct possibility and — depending on the integrated viral fragments’ “insertion sites in the human genome” and an individual’s underlying health status — could include “a more severe immune response … such as a ‘cytokine storm’ or auto-immune reactions.”


1) Segments of SARS-CoV-2 Viral RNA can become integrated into human genomic DNA.

2) This newly acquired viral sequence is not silent, meaning that these genetically modified regions of genomic DNA are transcriptionally active (DNA is being converted back into RNA).

3) Segments of SARS-CoV-2 viral RNA retro-integrated into human genomic DNA in cell culture. This retro-integration into genomic DNA of COVID-19 patients is also implied indirectly from the detection of chimeric RNA transcripts in cells derived from COVID-19 patients. Although their RNA seq data suggests that genomic alteration is taking place in COVID-19 patients, to prove this point conclusively, PCR, DNA sequencing, or Southern Blot should be carried out on purified genomic DNA of COVID-19 patients to prove this point conclusively. This is a gap that needs to be closed in the research. The in vitro data in human cell lines, however, is air tight.

4) This viral retro-integration of RNA into DNA can be induced by endogenous LINE-1 retrotransposons, which produce an active reverse transcriptase (RT) that converts RNA into DNA. (All humans have multiple copies of LINE-1 retrotransposons residing in their genome.). The frequency of retro-integration of viral RNA into DNA is positively correlated with LINE-1 expression levels in the cell.

5) These LINE-1 retrotransposons can be activated by viral infection with SARS-CoV-2, or cytokine exposure to cells, and this increases the probability of retro-integration.

The paper raises important questions. For example, how long the spike protein lasts after vaccination, as there is no evidence. Just how long the synthetic mRNA, the instructions for cells to keep manufacturing spike protein persist inside the cells is an open question.

In the current injections, mRNA stability and longevity was increased. In other words, it produced RNA “that hangs around in the cell much longer than viral RNA, or even RNA that our cell normally produces for normal protein production.”

These pathways that the researchers verified with their experiments are not unknown to people who understand molecular biology at a deeper level. This is not hidden knowledge which is only available to the initiated. People who are developing the vaccines are people who understand molecular biology at a very sophisticated level. So, why didn’t they discover this, or even ask this question, or even do some experiments to rule it out? Instead, they just used superficially simplistic biology 101 as a smoke screen to tell you that RNA doesn’t convert into DNA.
 
What are you talking about? I gave number on deaths over 58 years that may have a connection to the pill, isn't that life threatening? Same number that if using the percentage that died from blood clots affecting the immune platelet response in German directly. Hardly same-same.

Oh so sorry for wasting your f*n time, but you order me to provide this produce that but hasn't read the vaccine studies or previous corona vaccine animal research, EU regulatory letters and can't answer any questions, while misrepresenting mRNA and RNA vaccines and claims they've debunked the COVID 19 injections causing genetic changes even though they don't know the genetic make up of the injections!

There are hypothetical, plausible molecular pathways by which a mRNA vaccine will permanently alter your genomic DNA could occur. This current research validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.


Scientists at Harvard and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), produced findings about wild coronavirus that raise questions about how viral RNA operates.

Their key findings were as follows: SARS-CoV-2 RNAs “can be reverse transcribed in human cells,” “these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed” (a phenomenon called “retro-integration”) — and there are viable cellular pathways to explain how this happens.

Detrimental effects are a distinct possibility and — depending on the integrated viral fragments’ “insertion sites in the human genome” and an individual’s underlying health status — could include “a more severe immune response … such as a ‘cytokine storm’ or auto-immune reactions.”


1) Segments of SARS-CoV-2 Viral RNA can become integrated into human genomic DNA.

2) This newly acquired viral sequence is not silent, meaning that these genetically modified regions of genomic DNA are transcriptionally active (DNA is being converted back into RNA).

3) Segments of SARS-CoV-2 viral RNA retro-integrated into human genomic DNA in cell culture. This retro-integration into genomic DNA of COVID-19 patients is also implied indirectly from the detection of chimeric RNA transcripts in cells derived from COVID-19 patients. Although their RNA seq data suggests that genomic alteration is taking place in COVID-19 patients, to prove this point conclusively, PCR, DNA sequencing, or Southern Blot should be carried out on purified genomic DNA of COVID-19 patients to prove this point conclusively. This is a gap that needs to be closed in the research. The in vitro data in human cell lines, however, is air tight.

4) This viral retro-integration of RNA into DNA can be induced by endogenous LINE-1 retrotransposons, which produce an active reverse transcriptase (RT) that converts RNA into DNA. (All humans have multiple copies of LINE-1 retrotransposons residing in their genome.). The frequency of retro-integration of viral RNA into DNA is positively correlated with LINE-1 expression levels in the cell.

5) These LINE-1 retrotransposons can be activated by viral infection with SARS-CoV-2, or cytokine exposure to cells, and this increases the probability of retro-integration.

The paper raises important questions. For example, how long the spike protein lasts after vaccination, as there is no evidence. Just how long the synthetic mRNA, the instructions for cells to keep manufacturing spike protein persist inside the cells is an open question.

In the current injections, mRNA stability and longevity was increased. In other words, it produced RNA “that hangs around in the cell much longer than viral RNA, or even RNA that our cell normally produces for normal protein production.”

These pathways that the researchers verified with their experiments are not unknown to people who understand molecular biology at a deeper level. This is not hidden knowledge which is only available to the initiated. People who are developing the vaccines are people who understand molecular biology at a very sophisticated level. So, why didn’t they discover this, or even ask this question, or even do some experiments to rule it out? Instead, they just used superficially simplistic biology 101 as a smoke screen to tell you that RNA doesn’t convert into DNA.

Quote from Dr Doug your own link.

“To be fair, this study didn’t show that the RNA from the current vaccines is being integrated into our DNA”

enough said.

All the study was trying to explain was why there is persistent BUT NOT PERMANENT shedding of virus after COVID symptoms resolved.

And this again has nothing to do with the mRNA Vaccine - the paper is discussing the Virus mechanism not the Vaccine. There is big difference between how a complete virus works and how an mRNA related to just the spike protein in a Vaccine works.

So again no evidence of permanent DNA changes by mRNA Vaccines.
 
You must very focused on BF I changed my post to Life Threatening clots almost immediately.
I touched on mrna/dna in studies in what seems a lifetime ago. As much as I would love to join in the conversation, I can't kick start my memory.

Can I say though, genome editing has been around since the start of last century.
So to state crispr is the only way to alter genome sequence is completely untrue.
Please join in I'm tagging out (playing my sfa quoty match) with the manufactures haven't completed or reported on animal studies so it's unknown!

Spinner, I'm very focused on my Sunday afternoon sfa. Where else does this happen?

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Quote from Dr Doug your own link.
“To be fair, this study didn’t show that the RNA from the current vaccines is being integrated into our DNA”
enough said.
All the study was trying to explain was why there is persistent BUT NOT PERMANENT shedding of virus after COVID symptoms resolved.
And this again has nothing to do with the mRNA Vaccine - the paper is discussing the Virus mechanism not the Vaccine.
So again no evidence of permanent DNA changes by mRNA Vaccines.
I've given a published hypothetical, but plausible molecular pathways by which a mRNA vaccine will permanently alter your genomic DNA could occur. This current research validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.

As I've said all along, no one knows what the current COVID injections medium or permanent adverse effects are because animal studies were not done or not reported on and the Phase 3 studies have not been completed or reported on and none of the Big Pharma companies have disclosed the genetic sequences of their injections, so how can anyone know for sure.

Unlike you who has definitely proved it doesn't, the paper produced findings about wild coronavirus that raise questions about how viral RNA operates. Their key findings were as follows: SARS-CoV-2 RNAs “can be reverse transcribed in human cells,” “these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed” (a phenomenon called “retro-integration”) — and there are viable cellular pathways to explain how this happens.

These "important findings run contrary to current biological dogma" according to Dr Corrigan and "put the CDC’s assumptions about mRNA vaccines on shakier ground", according to Corrigan. In fact, a month before the Harvard-MIT preprint appeared, Corrigan had already written a blog outlining possible mechanisms and pathways whereby mRNA vaccines could produce the identical phenomenon.

While not claiming that vaccine RNA will necessarily behave in the same way as coronavirus RNA, that is, permanently altering genomic DNA — Corrigan believes that the possibility exists and deserves close scrutiny.
 
I've given a published hypothetical, but plausible molecular pathways by which a mRNA vaccine will permanently alter your genomic DNA could occur. This current research validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.

As I've said all along, no one knows what the current COVID injections medium or permanent adverse effects are because animal studies were not done or not reported on and the Phase 3 studies have not been completed or reported on and none of the Big Pharma companies have disclosed the genetic sequences of their injections, so how can anyone know for sure.

Unlike you who has definitely proved it doesn't, the paper produced findings about wild coronavirus that raise questions about how viral RNA operates. Their key findings were as follows: SARS-CoV-2 RNAs “can be reverse transcribed in human cells,” “these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed” (a phenomenon called “retro-integration”) — and there are viable cellular pathways to explain how this happens.

These "important findings run contrary to current biological dogma" according to Dr Corrigan and "put the CDC’s assumptions about mRNA vaccines on shakier ground", according to Corrigan. In fact, a month before the Harvard-MIT preprint appeared, Corrigan had already written a blog outlining possible mechanisms and pathways whereby mRNA vaccines could produce the identical phenomenon.

While not claiming that vaccine RNA will necessarily behave in the same way as coronavirus RNA, that is, permanently altering genomic DNA — Corrigan believes that the possibility exists and deserves close scrutiny.

no - Dr Doug has found a paper to try to support his conspiracy theory that mRNA Vaccines permanently alter DNA.
To his credit he says per the quote I supplied that it’s not proof.

And it proves a NON permanent mechanism for the WHOLE natural Virus - not mRNA coding for part of the Virus that’s put into a manufactured Vaccine.

Apples and Oranges.
 

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She looks and sounds mentally deranged. Much like a lot of puppets that have bought in to this Covid charade still enjoying the kool-aid.
 

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It still staggers me to this day that the vaccines are licensed to individual distributors. What happened to the wartime production acts? Why does this only work for cloth masks and not for well actual medicine?

For a world changing event, it sure is strange to see profit coming first.... still
 

Dear fellow Albertans,

It goes without saying this has been an incredibly difficult 11 months. The effects and ramifications of COVID-19 on our precious province are not insignificant. We sympathize with everyone who has suffered loss in this time, whether it be the loss of a loved one, or loss stemming from government lockdowns (such as economic loss or suffering as a result of being denied necessary health care).

Given the attention our church has received in recent days, we want to address the broader public on our reasons for gathering as a local church. What follows is not a theological defence. We have already addressed that sufficiently here, here, here and here (and it is primarily and predominantly obedience to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ that has shaped our stance). Instead, what follows will shed light on our approach to what is being called a “pandemic.” The reason we put “pandemic” in quotes is because the definition of a pandemic was changed about 10 years ago. At one time, a pandemic was defined as an infectious disease that resulted in a certain percentage of excess deaths over and above normal annual averages. The definition was changed in connection with H1N1 to remove this threshold. Ten years ago, COVID-19 would not have qualified as a pandemic. In fact, not even close.

When COVID-19 first appeared, we shifted to livestream and abided by most of the new government guidelines for our gatherings. But when the first declared public health emergency ended, we opened our doors and returned to nearly normal gatherings on Sunday June 21st, 2020. We did so recognizing COVID-19 was much less severe than the government had initially projected. This sentiment was reflected in the assessment of the Premier of Alberta, who deliberately referred to COVID-19 as “influenza” multiple times in a speech announcing the end of the first declared public health emergency.

In early July, it was brought to our attention that two separate individuals had attended our gatherings on two consecutive Sundays and subsequently tested positive for the virus (both cases being unrelated to each other). At that time, we did our own internal contact tracing (prior to AHS notifying us of the exposure), many of our congregants were tested, and it was determined that no transmission of the virus had taken place. Out of an abundance of caution, we shifted exclusively to livestream and shutdown all other ministries for two weeks (14 days). We did this to mitigate any further spread of COVID-19. When it was evident that no further spread had taken place, we resumed our nearly normal gatherings. Since then, we have gathered as a church each Sunday without incident (28 Sundays to date).

Having engaged in an immense amount of research, interacting with both doctors and frontline healthcare workers, it is apparent that the negative effects of the government lockdown measures on society far surpass the effects of COVID-19. The science being used to justify lockdown measures is both suspect and selective. In fact, there is no empirical evidence that lockdowns are effective in mitigating the spread of the virus. We are gravely concerned that COVID-19 is being used to fundamentally alter society and strip us all of our civil liberties. By the time the so-called “pandemic” is over, if it is ever permitted to be over, Albertans will be utterly reliant on government, instead of free, prosperous, and independent.

As such, we believe love for our neighbor demands that we exercise our civil liberties. We do not see our actions as perpetuating the longevity of COVID-19 or any other virus that will inevitably come along. If anything, we see our actions as contributing to its end – the end of destructive lockdowns and the end of the attempt to institutionalize the debilitating fear of viral infections. Our local church is clear evidence that governmental lockdowns are unnecessary. In fact, it is also evidence of how harmful they are. Without going into detail, we recently lost the life of one of our precious congregants who was denied necessary health care due to government lockdown measures.

Consider the following statistics. It is alleged that 129,075 Albertans have tested positive for the virus. That works out to just less than 3% of the population. However, it needs to be pointed out that the PCR test being used to test for COVID-19 is fraught with false positives. This is especially true, since at least until recently, Alberta was running the PCR test at 40 amplifications. As such, the number of Albertans who have actually contracted the virus is likely significantly less. It is also vital to highlight that more than 99% of those who contract the virus will fully recover.

Alberta is currently reporting 1,782 COVID-related deaths. It is critically important to articulate it this way. There is a big difference between dying from COVID and dying with COVID. But it is also critical to note that these COVID-related deaths, as tragic as they are, have not resulted in a statistically significant increase in excess deaths (and the average age of those who have died related to COVID-19 is 82, consistent with life expectancy in Alberta). Sadly, most of these individuals would have likely died due to various other lethal co-morbidities (and it immensely grieves us that in many cases they were forced to die apart from their family unnecessarily). In addition, experts estimate that deaths, in the long run, resulting from government lockdown measures will surpass COVID-related deaths 10 to 1 (e.g. premature deaths resulting from not receiving necessary health care, suicides, drug overdoses, addictions, the development of chronic health conditions, total loss of income, family breakdown, etc.). In fact, it would seem that COVID-related deaths are being treated as though they are somehow more tragic than any and all other deaths.

Many Albertans are afraid and are convinced of the efficacy of government lockdowns for two reasons: misinformation and fearmongering. The media has so pounded the COVID-19 drum since the “pandemic” began, almost exclusively emphasizing caseload and deaths, that people are fearful. So fearful, in fact, they have been convinced that yielding up their civil liberties to the government is in their best interests. It is difficult to have not lost confidence in the mainstream media. It would seem as though journalism is on life-support in our province. The media should be made up of the most thorough, discerning, and investigative people in our society. Instead, many of them seem to be serving an ideological agenda. Now more than ever, it is vital that Albertans exercise discernment when listening to the mainstream media.

What do we believe people should do? We believe they should responsibly return to their lives. Churches should open, businesses should open, families and friends should come together around meals, and people should begin to exercise their civil liberties again. Otherwise we may not get them back. In fact, some say we are on the cusp of reaching the point of no return. Protect the vulnerable, exercise reasonable precautions, but begin to live your lives again.

That said, living life comes with risks. Every time we get behind the wheel of a car, we are assuming a degree of risk. We accept that risk due to the benefits of driving. Yes, though vastly overblown, there are associated risks with COVID-19, as there are with other infections. Human life, though precious, is fragile. As such, death looms over all of us. That is why we need a message of hope. One that addresses our greatest need. That message is found in Jesus Christ. It is found in Him because all of us have sinned and have fallen short of God’s perfect standard of righteousness (Rom 3:23). To sin is to violate the holiness and righteousness of God. As our Creator, He is the one who will judge us according to our deeds and no one will stand on their own merit in that judgment. Therefore, we need a substitute. One who has both lived the life we could not and died the death we deserve.

Praise be to God, there is! God the Father commissioned His Son into the world, to take upon Himself human flesh (John 1:14), being true God and true man, whereby He lived under the Law of God (Gal 4:4), fulfilled it in every respect, was tempted in all things as we are, and yet was without sin (Heb 4:15). Then, in obedience to the Father, He went to the cross, drank the full cup of the Father’s wrath for the sin of all who would ever believe on His name, died, and rose again! In this way, He proved He had conquered both sin and death, our two greatest enemies. He has ascended into heaven and is now seated at the right hand of the Father (Col 3:1), awaiting the time of His Second Coming.

In the meantime, this message of salvation is to be proclaimed to all people (Matt 28:18–20). In fact, the church exists to proclaim this message! That if you would turn from your sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, putting full trust in His finished work on the cross along with His resurrection from the dead, you will be saved! Not only will all of your sins be forgiven you, but you will also be credited with a perfect record of righteousness; the very righteousness of Christ (2 Cor 5:21). And so, we would urge you to be reconciled to God through His Son this day. The very one who has given you life and breath.

Should you do so, you will receive eternal life and will experience life after death (John 11:25).

Death looms over all of us. But there is a message of concrete hope, in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 
We have gone all the way from >

A- We need to flatten the curve.

TO

Z- We have recorded 1 case, time for a lockdown.

:think: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
The tired (and downright idiotic) rhetoric of no lockdowns = millions of deaths will continue for a very long time yet

Not because it's justified, it isn't. These people are too stupid and brainwashed to think. It's religion to them and very few people escape religious extremism which is what this borders on
 
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