Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[Catfish Alley]

In fact, my Dad is 69 and says he’s too young to even get a vaccine. Who is being forced?

 

[burge13]

In fact, my Dad is 69 and says he’s too young to even get a vaccine. Who is being forced?

People are being a bit too jumpy atm but there's also plenty of smoke regarding what is 'likely' to come

We've had politicians float ideas like vax passports to get into sports grounds, receive welfare, work, to fly etc. Whilst that isn't being 'forced' to get it it's excluding people from so much of society it may as well be forced if it went ahead. fwiw i don't think it comes to that but many do

 

[Catfish Alley]

People are being a bit too jumpy atm but there's also plenty of smoke regarding what is 'likely' to come

We've had politicians float ideas like vax passports to get into sports grounds, receive welfare, work, to fly etc. Whilst that isn't being 'forced' to get it it's excluding people from so much of society it may as well be forced if it went ahead. fwiw i don't think it comes to that but many do

Thanks for this. Australia shouldn’t be “jumpy” in my opinion. With the lockdowns and media I’ve seen I get it though. We have about 90,000 active cases here. Can only imagine how Aussie media would react to that.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

1. I imagine it would be very similar to the flu shot. Not sure exactly what the uptake of that is.

2. Very little. People aren’t going to start changing behaviour anytime soon.

3. Was told to expect it to be like the flu shot. New variants requiring a change to vaccines yearly.

Flu is seasonal, whatever that means - people seem to get it any old time - but is Covid ongoing, or does it flare up or surge during winter and not so much at other times?

 

[burge13]

Thanks for this. Australia shouldn’t be “jumpy” in my opinion. With the lockdowns and media I’ve seen I get it though. We have about 90,000 active cases here. Can only imagine how Aussie media would react to that.

Winter will be interesting. For the sane, we know it's very little threat, no more than anything else we battle in life and we've been doing restrictions on and off for 14 months now. It can't continue, especially as we're essentially over it now. Backwards steps again would be catastrophic

If we get through winter without a Premier jumping at shadows for the 10th time, I think we're in the clear and sanity restores amongst the covid cheerleaders. Vaxes will end up like flu (by choice, I personally never get one & that is normal amongst everyone I know at work, friends, family, sport etc).

 

[Catfish Alley]

Flu is seasonal, whatever that means - people seem to get it any old time - but is Covid ongoing, or does it flare up or surge during winter and not so much at other times?

Hopefully it’s like SARS and peters out. I have a Business degree so not much help though. Haha. I trust our health system but certainly advocate free choice on it. Weigh up the risk etc. In Australia it seems minimal.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I haven’t heard this on news or from family so could definitely be ignorant on what’s happening over there. News I’m seeing is the biggest crowd post-Covid is about to happen in Melbourne and that Covid is near non-existent.

Oh fair enough. Only just hit me you are in a different country once I read more back.

Its definetly not comparable to the flu vaccine or the flu situation in general. If it it was, then we wouldnt be here discussing it truth be told

 

[Catfish Alley]

Oh fair enough. Only just hit me you are in a different country once I read more back.

Its definetly not comparable to the flu vaccine or the flu situation in general. If it it was, then we wouldnt be here discussing it truth be told

Hopeful on my part for sure.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I haven’t heard this on news or from family so could definitely be ignorant on what’s happening over there. News I’m seeing is the biggest crowd post-Covid is about to happen in Melbourne and that Covid is near non-existent.

It's no wonder everyone is confused. Huge crowds can go to the football, packed in like sardines into certain areas, while leaving other seating bays empty* so that they don't have to hire more people to clean the whole arena. Whereas on our most sacred day, ANZAC Day, 25 April, that commemorates our war dead, crowds and participants in comparatively brief ceremonies are to be limited and only just managed to force the authorities to approve marches in our cities.

*may not be the case in some games

People are being a bit too jumpy atm but there's also plenty of smoke regarding what is 'likely' to come

We've had politicians float ideas like vax passports to get into sports grounds, receive welfare, work, to fly etc. Whilst that isn't being 'forced' to get it it's excluding people from so much of society it may as well be forced if it went ahead. fwiw i don't think it comes to that but many do

Whether or not the vaccine even works, which apparently it doesn't if that worker in NZ is anything to go by

Thanks for this. Australia shouldn’t be “jumpy” in my opinion. With the lockdowns and media I’ve seen I get it though. We have about 90,000 active cases here. Can only imagine how Aussie media would react to that.

Haha, the mind boggles!

"Jumpy" is newspaper reports every few days screeching that "traces" of the virus have been found in waste water and sewage. They list the areas where people are advised to be "on the alert" for symptoms. Strangely there's never been any follow-up from these scary warnings. Community cases remain at zero.

 

[burge13]

"Jumpy" is newspaper reports every few days screeching that "traces" of the virus have been found in waste water and sewage. They list the areas where people are advised to be "on the alert" for symptoms. Strangely there's never been any follow-up from these scary warnings. Community cases remain at zero.

This is what the sane people quickly realise

Hawkie and the main board still fall for this every single time.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

In fact, my Dad is 69 and says he’s too young to even get a vaccine. Who is being forced?

All quarantine workers, airport workers, airport staff, aged car workers, healthcare workers, cleaners, people wishing to visit elderly at aged care homes ie. there parents. I doubt anyone who has taken it so far would not have had a liberty taken away if they refused to do so.

 

[Catfish Alley]

All quarantine workers, airport workers, airport staff, aged car workers, healthcare workers, cleaners, people wishing to visit elderly at aged care homes ie. there parents. I doubt anyone who has taken it so far would not have had a liberty taken away if they refused to do so.

Fair enough. Australia seem more wary of a vaccine than a lot of the world. Not surprising if not impacted by it much.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Agree... but they've used the wrong album cover

 

[M Malice]

Does anybody know if the people who are getting the vaccine now in Australia are getting any sort of confirmation card/tick on their phone etc to say they have been vaccinated?

 

[burge13]

Does anybody know if the people who are getting the vaccine now in Australia are getting any sort of confirmation card/tick on their phone etc to say they have been vaccinated?

I know 2 people who've had their jabs done then days later had the place ring them to confirm their appointment as though it never happened (it wasn't to confirm an appointment for a 2nd jab)

The public service, especially health, is not competent enough to accurately pull that off. If they start, just ring up and say you never got your confirmation, whichever idiot answers will send you one whether they have record of you or not

 

[Tiger Toffee]

95% would be better than the flu shot I believe.

They are not going to know the true percentages until after a couple of northern and southern winters, anything said now is based on a tiny sample and is simply guesswork.

Numbers and percentages that can be manipulated by the way just by either turning the PCR test dial up or down.

 

[Catfish Alley]

They are not going to know the true percentages until after a couple of northern and southern winters, anything said now is based on a tiny sample and is simply guesswork.

Numbers and percentages that can be manipulated by the way just by either turning the PCR test dial up or down.

For sure. The range of effectiveness for the flu vaccine varies quite a lot.

 

[Nothing]

Image if they listened to the real experts not influenced by big pharma and gave HCQ or IVM +Zn, VitD and concentrated on increasing activity, being in the sunshine, and a coordinated plan to reduce obesity!

What are the adverse reaction rates for HCQ? If you're concerned about the rare side effects of blood clots from vaccines, the much more prevalent side effects of HCQ should be more concerning. It's why most medical professionals discounted HCQ - the serious (but rare) side effects were too high.

 

[burge13]

What are the adverse reaction rates for HCQ? If you're concerned about the rare side effects of blood clots from vaccines, the much more prevalent side effects of HCQ should be more concerning. It's why most medical professionals discounted HCQ - the serious (but rare) side effects were too high.

One line of thinking here is the jab is being (trying to be) 'forced' on everyone. If 0.01% of 25million Aussies have adverse effects, it's a much larger number than 0.02% of those using HCQ as treatment. Sure 'double' the adverse reactions sound bad but there is likely to be significantly less than 50k using it a year. Much fewer people will ever need treatment than they want to vax...

I don't have the actual figures here but the theory something to ponder

 

[Nothing]

One line of thinking here is the jab is being (trying to be) 'forced' on everyone. If 0.01% of 25million Aussies have adverse effects, it's a much larger number than 0.02% of those using HCQ as treatment. Sure 'double' the adverse reactions sound bad but there is likely to be significantly less than 50k using it a year. Much fewer people will ever need treatment than they want to vax...

I don't have the actual figures here but the theory something to ponder

The talk was using HCQ as a prophylactic for for the entire population.

 

[burge13]

The talk was using HCQ as a prophylactic for for the entire population.

Most people wouldn't. Anyone with sense will say 'why take a panadol if you don't have a headache'...

 

[Seedsman_]

"The existing scientific evidences challenge the safety and efficacy of wearing facemasks as preventive intervention for COVID-19. The data suggest that both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to block human-to-human transmission of viral and infectious disease such SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, supporting against the usage of facemasks. Wearing facemasks has been demonstrated to have substantial adverse physiological and psychological effects. These include hypoxia, hypercapnia, shortness of breath, increased acidity and toxicity, activation of fear and stress response, rise in stress hormones, immunosuppression, fatigue, headaches, decline in cognitive performance, predisposition for viral and infectious illnesses, chronic stress, anxiety and depression. Long-term consequences of wearing facemask can cause health deterioration, developing and progression of chronic diseases and premature death."

Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis - PMC

Many countries across the globe utilized medical and non-medical facemasks as non-pharmaceutical intervention for reducing the transmission and infectivity of coronavirus disease-2019 (COVID-19). Although, scientific evidence supporting facemasks’ ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Every measure forced on us has directly increased the risk of non communicable disease which is already rampant throughout the West.

 

[yebiga]

It's a variety of flu - it will mutate - it does not wish to kill you because it too will die - viruses have been around for ever.
Those who take the vaccine, like those that take the flu jab become more dependent on further vaccines
For older folk this my well be the best thing, if they are not in prime health and their immune system is weakened.

All in all it has been much to do about nothing.

Big Pharma, Gates and the WHO have tried to call Pandemics before - this time they got away with it.
The consequences economically, psychologically, and to reputations are yet to be determined.
This week for the 3rd time, the WHO and other global bodies have been inserting the whole climate change issue into this.
Tedros was lauding the cleaner air due to the pause in tourism flights around the world.

Governments, Media, Big Pharma and these global Organisations have all shat in their own beds. Whilst a lot of the population may bought the hoax - hook line and sinker - and believe everyone has acted in good faith, there are a lot of people who are very angry and will strike back given any opportunity.
Can someone like Dan Andrews ever go to a Restaurant, a park, a beach and not be concerned he will be verbally attacked if not physically - I don't think so.
I'm sure Bill Vaccine Gates has adequate personal security but he will need it. Ditto, for many others.

All that is bye the bye. The economic consequences are now beginning to play out as the government handouts - helicopter money - dries up.
We will discover very shortly how many of the businesses who have received job keeper payments can stand on their two legs. What are the consequences for businesses reliant on back packers, short term work visas, international tourists, international students?

And all that too is bye the bye. We can recover from far worse and relatively quickly if we band together. The real damage and the longer term and perhaps permanent damage is the erosion of trust. Business simply cannot function without it, nor can family or friends. In fact, all human interaction is delicately reliant on trust. The cynicism is omnipresent. Much as you may try, the censorship only feeds the cynicism.

It's ironic that the more forceful the global and centrist forces become, the more fractured and divided the population becomes.

down and down we go.

 

[Registered User]

New Brisbane clot case under urgent investigation

The Queensland government has confirmed health authorities will investigate any potential link between the Pfizer vaccine and a man who presented at a private hospital with blood clots just days after receiving the jab.

www.news.com.au

 

[GuzzLG]

Childcare worker sacked for refusing flu vaccine loses legal appeal

The national industrial tribunal’s decision bolsters the argument that some employers will be able to require staff to get a coronavirus vaccine.

www.theage.com.au

Amazing timing for this precedent to come out