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martinson said:
If you take hydroxochloriquine and zithromax as soon as you get diagnosed you will recover quickly.

Already a couple of studies validated.

The problem is they wait until people are really sick and in ICU which is often too late.
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I Googled that combination. First hit was https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7102549/. If that's one of the studies... "Twenty cases were treated in this study". That's piss poor.
 
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Summary of the various post-study reviews:
www.gizmodo.co.uk

all the ways the influential hydroxychloroquine study was crap - Gizmodo

We come from the future.
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Ok.

The problem with mainstream and all early studies is that they gave it to people with already badly inflamed lungs.

Given in the right dose at an early stage it conclusively works in quicker recovery and prevention. Of course like all drugs there can be side effects. Plus there is a shortage for some of these drugs in badly needed areas of medicine so may not be able to get it prescribed. And there is no cure once the disease has reached a certain stage.

Anyway I've looked into it , people I respect in the medical field here have looked into it and I've decided what I'm doing should I be unfortunate enough to catch the virus.

It's still relatively early stage with the mountain of research going on around the world and everyone should do their own research .

Just putting it out there what I've concluded for anyone interested.
 
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martinson said:
Ok.

The problem with mainstream and all early studies is that they gave it to people with already badly inflamed lungs.

Given in the right dose at an early stage it conclusively works in quicker recovery and prevention. Of course like all drugs there can be side effects. Plus there is a shortage for some of these drugs in badly needed areas of medicine so may not be able to get it prescribed. And there is no cure once the disease has reached a certain stage.

Anyway I've looked into it , people I respect in the medical field here have looked into it and I've decided what I'm doing should I be unfortunate enough to catch the virus.

It's still relatively early stage with the mountain of research going on around the world and everyone should do their own research .

Just putting it out there what I've concluded for anyone interested.
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Starting to sound more like a “feelings over facts” argument now. (What would little Ben Shapiro think!?)

You’ve pulled out that old cliche of the conspiracy theorist, “people should do their own research”, but then discount the best available credentialed and critical research going. Picking and choosing based on what you’d “like” to be true isn’t research. It’s religion.
 
I've done my research, friends in the industry have done their research, Glitter masks work.
 
martinson said:
Fwiiw I think a vaccine is a long way off. It takes a long time to validate a vaccine , produce and get access for patients . 5-8 years is the minimum timeframe if everything goes well. Of course in this instance many countries are pulling out all stops.
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Just to check this particular point, I think it's really important to note that almost every leading epidemiologist says that the only realistic path out of this pandemic is a vaccine. I have no idea where you're getting 5-8 years from - I have googled that and can't find anything - and the general scientific consensus seems to be on early 2021 being a safe bet, with mid-2021 more likely for widespread distribution.

For context, here are a few comments from some of the leading projects:

UQ Team
CSL, which is partnering with UQ to fast-track the vaccine, will make “several million” antigen doses before the human trials are completed, punting on the prototype vaccine passing the three-stage proving process and being licensed.

“A portion of these (doses) will be used in phase II/III clinical studies, with the remainder available as soon as marketing authorisation is granted,” a company spokesman said.

“We anticipate producing tens of millions of doses during 2021, which would be made available subject to safety and efficacy data generated.

Another lead researcher, Paul Young, said the aim was to have the vaccine mass-produced and widely available by mid-2021.
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Flinders University
The vaccine is showing promising signs it “could actually save lives”, the developers of the vaccine said, who also predict it could safely be used in humans immediately.

In fact, vaccine developer Professor Nikolai Petrovsky claims there’s no reason it can’t be used in Victorian aged care homes now.

If all goes well, Dr Petrovsky says the drug could be available to everyone within “three or four months”.
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Oxford University
Asked whether the Oxford vaccine could be released by the end of the year, the Jenner Institute's Hill said: "It's possible there will be a vaccine being used by the end of the year. What that needs is enough cases - probably about 50,000 people - who will be in trials by six weeks' time, and to have an adequate incidence of course of the vaccine working.

"Even if the vaccine worked by early November - it might be a little before that - you might have emergency use authorisation in a month and then you would be deploying in December. It's possible but we certainly can't guarantee it."

"The numbers speak for themselves. If you've got more than 7.5 billion people - most of whom will need a vaccine - the most ambitious program of supply is ours with AnstraZeneca which is targeting 2 billion doses in 12 months," Hill said.

"But 2 billion doses is not enough if it is going to be deployed globally for everybody who would want a vaccine.

"It's perhaps a little scientifically unlikely that only one vaccine would be perfect and all the others would fail. So if one works well, similar vaccines have a good chance of working too."
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dlanod said:
I Googled that combination. First hit was https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7102549/. If that's one of the studies... "Twenty cases were treated in this study". That's piss poor.
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You googled it.

Ok.

There have been no deaths or deterioration recorded for anyone who's taken these drugs early stage .

Nothing is conclusive with this virus right now.

I'm happy that anyone is sceptical ,I'm a sceptical person myself , but I've done a lot of backgrounding on this issue , there are people I know who are very smart and connected with drug companies and the like and they advised me what to do a couple of months ago should I catch it.

I did my own research and was satisfied.

But for anyone else consult your own medical practitioner . I know what they'll tell you , but hopefully no one here gets it.

If this virus has taught anyone anything it should be to not believe the mainstream ,what you are fed from politicians and Governments and to remain open minded.

When I first raised this virus on these forums months ago 90% of people derided me and said it was just the flu.

Just recently I copped a bucketload for suggesting thousands of people congregating and protesting was the worst idea ever thought of.

So I'm used to it.
 
martinson said:
When I first raised this virus on these forums months ago 90% of people derided me and said it was just the flu.
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Fact check: mostly false.
 
PattyKwasagun said:
Just to check this particular point, I think it's really important to note that almost every leading epidemiologist says that the only realistic path out of this pandemic is a vaccine. I have no idea where you're getting 5-8 years from - I have googled that and can't find anything - and the general scientific consensus seems to be on early 2021 being a safe bet, with mid-2021 more likely for widespread distribution.

For context, here are a few comments from some of the leading projects:

UQ Team


Flinders University


Oxford University
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I agree .

The only realistic path out is a vaccine.

Everyone knows that.

It doesn't mean you can't help yourself in the meantime should you catch it.
 
martinson said:
I did my own research and was satisfied.
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Unless you were directly involved in running clinical trials, you are going to have to make a pretty good case to differentiate your “research” from the Googling you are condescending others for doing.
 

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martinson said:
You googled it.

Ok.

There have been no deaths or deterioration recorded for anyone who's taken these drugs early stage .

Nothing is conclusive with this virus right now.

I'm happy that anyone is sceptical ,I'm a sceptical person myself , but I've done a lot of backgrounding on this issue , there are people I know who are very smart and connected with drug companies and the like and they advised me what to do a couple of months ago should I catch it.

I did my own research and was satisfied.

But for anyone else consult your own medical practitioner . I know what they'll tell you , but hopefully no one here gets it.

If this virus has taught anyone anything it should be to not believe the mainstream ,what you are fed from politicians and Governments and to remain open minded.

When I first raised this virus on these forums months ago 90% of people derided me and said it was just the flu.

Just recently I copped a bucketload for suggesting thousands of people congregating and protesting was the worst idea ever thought of.

So I'm used to it.
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You offered up zero references. So yes, I googled it.

You are still offering up zero references in this response either.

Come on... You're obviously invested in being believed given you are responding, but if you are actually doing your own research it should be stupidly easy to provide links to what you did your research on.

If not, you're just a random person on the internet claiming they know better than everyone else who, for all I know, is a crack addict in their mother's basement trying to scam people behind the scenes somehow. (I admit that's what I assume everyone on BF is anyway.)
 
martinson said:
You'll come to admire me in the fullness of time.

Just give it a few months
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Where did you complete your health science degree?
 
Hollow Knight said:
Starting to sound more like a “feelings over facts” argument now. (What would little Ben Shapiro think!?)

You’ve pulled out that old cliche of the conspiracy theorist, “people should do their own research”, but then discount the best available credentialed and critical research going. Picking and choosing based on what you’d “like” to be true isn’t research. It’s religion.
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Fwiiw this isn't an argument for me.

The 'best available and best credentialed research ' . Tell me who and what it is .

There are no 'facts' imo.

There are governments trying to deal with a monumental pandemic who justifiably are being very careful in what they tell people.

I'm one person who's looked very carefully into the issue over many months and have decided what I'm doing should I or my family become infected.

Deride me all you like ,I'm not trying to convince anyone which is pointless , just put it out there and you make of it whatever you like.

Btw ,I'm educated ,not stupid ,and have many friends in the industry to discuss all of these things with. So I reached a conclusion. That's it.
 
martinson said:
You googled it.

Ok.

There have been no deaths or deterioration recorded for anyone who's taken these drugs early stage .

Nothing is conclusive with this virus right now.

I'm happy that anyone is sceptical ,I'm a sceptical person myself , but I've done a lot of backgrounding on this issue , there are people I know who are very smart and connected with drug companies and the like and they advised me what to do a couple of months ago should I catch it.

I did my own research and was satisfied.

But for anyone else consult your own medical practitioner . I know what they'll tell you , but hopefully no one here gets it.

If this virus has taught anyone anything it should be to not believe the mainstream ,what you are fed from politicians and Governments and to remain open minded.

When I first raised this virus on these forums months ago 90% of people derided me and said it was just the flu.

Just recently I copped a bucketload for suggesting thousands of people congregating and protesting was the worst idea ever thought of.

So I'm used to it.
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A whole lot of talk and yet not one single shred of evidence posted. You've done months of research and yet you cant post a single link to verify any of your statements? Someone who supposedly works in pharmaceuticals told you months ago about COVID19 remedies and it is apparently stock standard medical advice that you are confident doctors will tell anyone that is infected and yet you agree that there is nothing conclusive right now about this virus. Next you are going to tell us your uncle works at Apple and he has access to the iPhone 14 already.

You are not a skeptic. Nor are you a rational thinker. I would suggest speaking to a mental health professional to seek guidance. I am a doctor and your posts read like rambling delusions. I suggest speaking to mental health practitioners about help with managing your paranoia.

Also I can confirm that Qhealth aren't looking to use hydroxychloroquine after the WHO and every other medical establishment has trialed in and found it not very effective and has significant cardiac toxicity. RBWH even had a big trial planned in March which they have quietly nixed now.
 
This is one of many studies for hydroxychloroquine +/- azithromycin, this one from NEJM involving 667 patients in specifically mild to moderate cases.



This is our national guidelines for COVID:

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Supporting Australia’s healthcare professionals with continually updated, evidence-based clinical guidelines.
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Which has this as the current recommendation for HCQ:

For people with COVID-19, do not use hydroxychloroquine outside of randomised trials with appropriate ethical approval.
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This is the WHO's stance:

www.who.int

WHO discontinues hydroxychloroquine and lopinavir/ritonavir treatment arms for COVID-19

WHO today accepted the recommendation from the Solidarity Trial’s International Steering Committee to discontinue the trial’s hydroxychloroquine and lopinavir/ritonavir arms. The Solidarity Trial was established by WHO to find an effective COVID-19 treatment for hospitalized patients. The...
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These interim trial results show that hydroxychloroquine and lopinavir/ritonavir produce little or no reduction in the mortality of hospitalized COVID-19 patients when compared to standard of care. Solidarity trial investigators will interrupt the trials with immediate effect.

For each of the drugs, the interim results do not provide solid evidence of increased mortality. There were, however, some associated safety signals in the clinical laboratory findings of the add-on Discovery trial, a participant in the Solidarity trial. These will also be reported in the peer-reviewed publication.
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dlanod said:
You offered up zero references. So yes, I googled it.

You are still offering up zero references in this response either.

Come on... You're obviously invested in being believed given you are responding, but if you are actually doing your own research it should be stupidly easy to provide links to what you did your research on.

If not, you're just a random person on the internet claiming they know better than everyone else who, for all I know, is a crack addict in their mother's basement trying to scam people behind the scenes somehow. (I admit that's what I assume everyone on BF is anyway.)
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And you could be Atilla the Hun.

I think I've explained how I've come to my point of view.

In my view most of the references on the internet are out of date or only studying people who are already very ill.

I've already directed people to Chris Martensen's blog where he references other epidemiologists and he was first on to the effectiveness of this treatment months ago . He's highly respected from both sides of the political spectrum.

Let's leave it at this . Why can't anyone just take on board what I've said and not have a closed mind . I'm perfectly happy for everyone to conclude I'm ill informed or wrong , but as the weeks roll by just keep it in mind.

That's all.
 

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lionraven said:
A whole lot of talk and yet not one single shred of evidence posted. You've done months of research and yet you cant post a single link to verify any of your statements? Someone who supposedly works in pharmaceuticals told you months ago about COVID19 remedies and it is apparently stock standard medical advice that you are confident doctors will tell anyone that is infected and yet you agree that there is nothing conclusive right now about this virus. Next you are going to tell us your uncle works at Apple and he has access to the iPhone 14 already.

You are not a skeptic. Nor are you a rational thinker. I would suggest speaking to a mental health professional to seek guidance. I am a doctor and your posts read like rambling delusions. I suggest speaking to mental health practitioners about help with managing your paranoia.

Also I can confirm that Qhealth aren't looking to use hydroxychloroquine after the WHO and every other medical establishment has trialed in and found it not very effective and has significant cardiac toxicity. RBWH even had a big trial planned in March which they have quietly nixed now.
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I am a sceptic. I'm a very rational thinker. I'm realistic. I'm not delusional. I don't have paranoia.

I don't need to be lectured to by anyone as to what I am and am not. Your first paragraph is a complete misconstruction of anything I said

Btw the WHO trials were on sick people. Very ill people.

I'm talking about what I as an individual will be doing.

You as a doctor can deride that all you like but just keep the personal abuse on me to yourself perhaps.
 
martinson said:
Ok.

The problem with mainstream and all early studies is that they gave it to people with already badly inflamed lungs.

Given in the right dose at an early stage it conclusively works in quicker recovery and prevention. Of course like all drugs there can be side effects. Plus there is a shortage for some of these drugs in badly needed areas of medicine so may not be able to get it prescribed. And there is no cure once the disease has reached a certain stage.

Anyway I've looked into it , people I respect in the medical field here have looked into it and I've decided what I'm doing should I be unfortunate enough to catch the virus.

It's still relatively early stage with the mountain of research going on around the world and everyone should do their own research .

Just putting it out there what I've concluded for anyone interested.
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You have still not actually given any sources whatsoever.

For example, not this study post-exposure (so, very early-stage) hydroxychloroquine, which found no significant difference in whether subjects were went on to get the coronavirus:

Or this study (a pre-coronavirus study) which founds that that combination of drugs led to a substantially increased risk of heart attacks:
www.dicardiology.com

WHO Database Shows Serious Health Impact of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin Being Used to Treat COVID-19

May 27, 2020 — Two of the front-line drugs being used to treat COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) patients are hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, but a new study shows these drugs in combination may pose a serious impact on the cardiovascular system and are a potentially lethal combination. Both drugs...
www.dicardiology.com www.dicardiology.com
 
martinson said:
If you take hydroxochloriquine and zithromax as soon as you get diagnosed you will recover quickly.

Already a couple of studies validated.

The problem is they wait until people are really sick and in ICU which is often too late.
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The hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin studies have shown no improvement in several better designed trials than the highly flawed original French study. That paper was retracted from publication a few months ago.
 

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