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sr36 said:
Australia ordered a heap of a vaccine called Novavax last January. It'll be approved by the time you're due for a booster and is supposed to have stuff all side effects.
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Is this the one?

www.news.com.au

New vaccine that’s better than Pfizer

A new vaccine from US company Novavax, which has shown to offer greater protection against Covid-19 than Pfizer, could hit Aussie shores this year.
www.news.com.au www.news.com.au
 
TradeDraft said:
Is this the one?

www.news.com.au

New vaccine that’s better than Pfizer

A new vaccine from US company Novavax, which has shown to offer greater protection against Covid-19 than Pfizer, could hit Aussie shores this year.
www.news.com.au www.news.com.au
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That's the one TD. Their trial data was similar to Phizer and Moderna with efficacy, but much lower side effects. The lower side effects should see more people willing to take it as a booster as some will have been scared off by getting sick from Pfizer or AZ - plus some who are anti the mRNA vaccines are willing to take it because it is a more "natural" vaccine. If the trial data results hold up in the real world, it might become the go to vaccine. Will be hard to overcome the Pfizer branding though.
 
sr36 said:
That's the one TD. Their trial data was similar to Phizer and Moderna with efficacy, but much lower side effects. The lower side effects should see more people willing to take it as a booster as some will have been scared off by getting sick from Pfizer or AZ - plus some who are anti the mRNA vaccines are willing to take it because it is a more "natural" vaccine. If the trial data results hold up in the real world, it might become the go to vaccine. Will be hard to overcome the Pfizer branding though.
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Yep $$$$$ is more Important then getting the Best 1 Sadly

My Sister is Scared of getting Vaxxed because the the Short and Long Term Side Effects so IF it does show to be Safer she might get it
 

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TradeDraft said:
Yep $$$$$ is more Important then getting the Best 1 Sadly

My Sister is Scared of getting Vaxxed because the the Short and Long Term Side Effects so IF it does show to be Safer she might get it
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Over 7 BILLION shots administered Dave.
Just when does she think the data will be enough to satisfy?
www.bloomberg.com

More Than 12.7 Billion Shots Given: Covid-19 Tracker

Bloomberg counted up the shots administered in 184 countries and 59 US states and territories
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com
Almost 4 million dead from this virus. No figures on long Covid but I think it’s significant numbers.
 
TradeDraft said:
That what I am hoping for.

She has said she might get it in December IF Nothing Happens
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Nothing has happened Dave.
7 BILLION shots and we know all about the side effects. We know all about the minuscule chance of death.
I don’t think much will change in the next month. Just more stats showing how safe these vaccines are.
 
sr36 said:
That's the one TD. Their trial data was similar to Phizer and Moderna with efficacy, but much lower side effects. The lower side effects should see more people willing to take it as a booster as some will have been scared off by getting sick from Pfizer or AZ - plus some who are anti the mRNA vaccines are willing to take it because it is a more "natural" vaccine. If the trial data results hold up in the real world, it might become the go to vaccine. Will be hard to overcome the Pfizer branding though.
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I posted this on my own board but our mods are strange individuals and immediately removed it.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10...d-19-when-is-it-coming-to-australia/100575760

So far, the data is looking very promising.
 
My 2nd dose of 5g Boosting-bioshield Pfizer was administered last night. I am experiencing superhuman strength and have been communicating telepathically with Brodie Grundy. I have negotiated a pay cut, he has agreed to take a more realistic offer. I will be tabling it to him tomorrow for a signature.
 
Sadly I have 2 friends in bowel cancer strife. Both looking serious. Hoping positive.
This is another angle where as we know family and friends cannot visit and offer much needed support and love.
Pandemic life sucks. And yes life isn't fair. It can happen anytime so not pointing at non vaccinated here
 
I'd probably get the vaccine if they didn't get rid of cures for it. Early use of ivermectin has proven to be a winner in India and Japan with uttar pradesh now considered covid free after handing out ivermectin. Someone care to explain to me how you go from 30,000 cases daily to 7 cases as a weekly average in a month and a bit?. You're being sold a lemon i wish you people would wake up before it's to late.
 
Black_White said:
Over 7 BILLION shots administered Dave.
Just when does she think the data will be enough to satisfy?
www.bloomberg.com

More Than 12.7 Billion Shots Given: Covid-19 Tracker

Bloomberg counted up the shots administered in 184 countries and 59 US states and territories
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com
Almost 4 million dead from this virus. No figures on long Covid but I think it’s significant numbers.
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The sky is not falling in.

Relax.
 

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Daicos Torpedo said:
Sadly I have 2 friends in bowel cancer strife. Both looking serious. Hoping positive.
This is another angle where as we know family and friends cannot visit and offer much needed support and love.
Pandemic life sucks. And yes life isn't fair. It can happen anytime so not pointing at non vaccinated here
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They would see lot of people Die Sadly
 
Daicos Torpedo said:
Sadly I have 2 friends in bowel cancer strife. Both looking serious. Hoping positive.
This is another angle where as we know family and friends cannot visit and offer much needed support and love.
Pandemic life sucks. And yes life isn't fair. It can happen anytime so not pointing at non vaccinated here
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They would see lot of people Die Sadly
 
TradeDraft said:
Thanks for the Link and Info.

Told my Sister about it and this was her Response:

The tga only holds ones that the people themselves have reported the hospitals doctors do not have to do these so there would be far more than is listed
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Sorry Dave, but your sister is so far down the rabbit hole I doubt there’s a way back.
 
An interesting read for those who can be bothered given the stand taken by Liam Jones.

18 Reasons to oppose vaccine mandates, even if you are vaccinated
Posted on September 18, 2021 by alrishi
#1. Mandates will apply to the “fully vaccinated” too.
Just because you got your second shot doesn’t mean you’re done. Once mandates are in place, they will likely apply to boosters too. The CDC director recently overruled their own panel to recommend boosters for workers at risk.
#2. Once the state has mandates in place it’s unlikely to relinquish that control.
Just like temporary tax increases have a way of becoming permanent, once the requirements are in place it will be very difficult to remove them, and they may be expanded to include other measures “for our collective safety”.
#3. These aren’t traditional vaccines; they’re experimental genetic treatments.
The Pfizer and Moderna injections are the first mass application of mRNA gene therapy to human subjects. We don’t know what the long-term effects are, and neither does the FDA. One should be able to opt out.
#4. Covid-19 Injections are riskier than traditional childhood vaccines.
The argument has been made that we already have vaccine mandates for polio, measles, small pox, etc., but these are conventional vaccines in which we have decades of experience, only have to be taken once, and apply to diseases that are not mutating. The current crop of Covid-19 vaccines have been developed at “warp speed”, use new technology, have cut corners in the testing, and target a rapidly mutating virus. The comparison is invalid.
#5. SARS-Cov2 continues to mutate, creating a moving target for vaccines.
The current injections seem to work well against the original strain of SARS-Cov2, but data from Israel (where most adults are vaccinated) shows that they don’t work well against the newer variants, including Delta. If the injections are not effective enough to get us to herd immunity, the argument for mandates falls apart. It’s one thing to allow someone to choose to get the next booster shot, and another entirely to require it by law.
#6. The immunity conferred by the injection wanes quickly.
The effectiveness of Covid-19 injections fades in a matter of months. You can never fully vaccinate everyone when we have ongoing mutations and diminishing immunity.
#7. Covid-19 injections have a poor safety profile.
Compared to traditional vaccines, the frequency and severity of adverse events is frightening. There have been more deaths reported following the COVID-19 injections s than in all of the other vaccines administered since 1990 combined.
#8. For many, the risks of Covid-19 injections outweigh the benefits.
For children and younger adults, the risks often exceed the benefits. For the immune-compromised, the risks often exceed the benefits. A person who has already recovered from Covid-19 has 6 to 13 times better immunity than the Pfizer vaccine provides; injecting this person is all risk and no benefit. For older adults, the benefits may exceed the known risks, but many of the risks are unknown, so it’s hard to know for sure. That the risks are different in different populations is well known by the FDA. Consider this quote from the FDA Summary Basis for Regulatory Action of COMIRNATY (The BioNTech Covid Vaccine), page 23:
“Post-EUA safety surveillance reports received by FDA and CDC identified serious risks for myocarditis and pericarditis following administration of COMIRNATY. Reporting rates for medical chart-confirmed myocarditis/pericarditis in VAERS have been higher among males under 40 years of age than among females and older males and have been highest in males 12-17 years of age”.
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The determination of the risk benefit ratio for any given individual should be done by that individual in consultation with their health care team; the government is ill equipped to make that determination.

#9. Our health care decisions should be up to us, not the government.
After the horrors of the medical experiments Jews and others were subjected to in Nazi Germany, the international community established the Nuremberg Code to protect people. We can’t have the informed consent the Nuremberg Code requires (and later the Declaration of Helsinki) unless the risks are known, and with Covid-19 injections, they aren’t. Are we really going to push for laws that violate this previously lauded principle? Two years ago, this was unthinkable. We should be allowed to decide in consultation with their health care practitioners. Allow vaccination? Yes. Encourage vaccination? Sure. Require vaccination? Absolutely not.
#10. The injections may be driving the evolution of variants.
The Coronavirus is well known to mutate, and this was true before injections as well. Unlike the multifaceted approach of the body’s natural immunity, Covid-19 injections target a specific spike protein. By focusing narrowly on the spike protein, Covid-19 injections create consistent evolutionary pressure on the virus to evolve around the spike protein. Delta seems to be an example of that.
#11. The viral loads for vaccinated people who contract the Delta variant is just as high as for unvaccinated people who contract the Delta variant.
“ Delta infection resulted in similarly high SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated people. High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus. “
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#12. The pharma companies providing the injections have legal immunity.
The Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) makes it so there is no financial risk to the vaccine producers if you die or become disabled. That means these corporations will not be held accountable for any harmful effects and the individuals who are vaccinated bear 100% of the risk.
#13. The COMIRNATY BioNTech injection now has FDA approval, but you can’t get it in the USA.
The FDA approved the BioNTech COMIRNATY Covid injection, but they also kept the Emergency Use Authorization for Pfizer’s EUA version (Pfizer and BioNTech partnered to produce the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine). They may be the same substance (that’s unclear), and the FDA says they have the same efficacy and safety profile, but they are “legally distinct.” The legal distinction is that, because of the PREP Act, Pfizer has no liability for the safety of the EUA version, but would be liable for any approved version. Pfizer has many doses of the EUA version, but COMIRNATY is unavailable in the USA (I believe it is available in Europe). The stated reason for providing full approval is to encourage the “vaccine hesitant” to get it, but no one in the USA can get the approved version and pharma companies maintain legal immunity here.
#14. Mandates are only legal for a fully approved injection.
The government can’t require people to take an unapproved substance. The Covid-19 vaccines under EUA are not fully approved. This legal sleight of hand – to approve the injection to allow mandates, yet not make the approved version available – is morally reprehensible. If the injections are so safe and effective, why does pharma need legal immunity?
#15. The data used to approve COMIRNATY did not include efficacy data for the variants.
The FDA played fast and loose with the data used for the approval by only including data through March 13, 2021, thereby only including efficacy data from the original strain of SARS-Cov2. Efficacy with Delta is likely to be much less than the stated 95%, and could be less than 50%, which is the threshold used to allow an EUA to move forward. Full approval of a vaccine usually takes years. Shouldn’t full approval have higher standards than an EUA? See page 23 of the Summary Basis for Regulatory Action – COMIRNATY for date verification.

#16. The FDA has likely experienced regulatory capture.
In June 2021, the FDA approved the Alzheimer’s drug Aducanuman, despite their own advisory panel voting against it (10 against and one abstention). With plenty of examples like this one it requires a high degree of cognitive dissonance to believe the FDA is not influenced by pharma for a drug where the market is a relatively small portion of the population, yet consider them beyond reproach when dealing with a drug whose market is the entire human population of the planet multiplied by the number of injections. Are we willing to bet the future of humanity that the FDA/pharma is acting with integrity?
#17. There are safe, effective, and inexpensive treatments for Covid-19.
The standard of care for Covid-19 patients in most clinical settings has been to send them home until they can’t breathe on their own, as which point they are hospitalized. Yet many doctors and front line critical care practitioners have challenged this do nothing approach and developed treatment protocols using safe and effective treatments using readily available nutrients and off label drugs. These are estimated to work to prevent death or serious complication in 85% of early treatment patients. Too many have died or experienced serious health consequences due to the systemic repression and lack of support of these protocols. We need to take a sober look at who benefits from this repression.
#18. We need a control group.
If you think the injections will protect you and provide a long-term benefit, you should be free to make that choice. If we were able to get 100% compliance to a mandate, who will be left if there are disastrous unintended consequences? Every experiment needs a control group, and many have volunteered for that group. Let them make that choice.
 
domus said:
An interesting read for those who can be bothered given the stand taken by Liam Jones.

18 Reasons to oppose vaccine mandates, even if you are vaccinated
Posted on September 18, 2021 by alrishi
#1. Mandates will apply to the “fully vaccinated” too.
Just because you got your second shot doesn’t mean you’re done. Once mandates are in place, they will likely apply to boosters too. The CDC director recently overruled their own panel to recommend boosters for workers at risk.
#2. Once the state has mandates in place it’s unlikely to relinquish that control.
Just like temporary tax increases have a way of becoming permanent, once the requirements are in place it will be very difficult to remove them, and they may be expanded to include other measures “for our collective safety”.
#3. These aren’t traditional vaccines; they’re experimental genetic treatments.
The Pfizer and Moderna injections are the first mass application of mRNA gene therapy to human subjects. We don’t know what the long-term effects are, and neither does the FDA. One should be able to opt out.
#4. Covid-19 Injections are riskier than traditional childhood vaccines.
The argument has been made that we already have vaccine mandates for polio, measles, small pox, etc., but these are conventional vaccines in which we have decades of experience, only have to be taken once, and apply to diseases that are not mutating. The current crop of Covid-19 vaccines have been developed at “warp speed”, use new technology, have cut corners in the testing, and target a rapidly mutating virus. The comparison is invalid.
#5. SARS-Cov2 continues to mutate, creating a moving target for vaccines.
The current injections seem to work well against the original strain of SARS-Cov2, but data from Israel (where most adults are vaccinated) shows that they don’t work well against the newer variants, including Delta. If the injections are not effective enough to get us to herd immunity, the argument for mandates falls apart. It’s one thing to allow someone to choose to get the next booster shot, and another entirely to require it by law.
#6. The immunity conferred by the injection wanes quickly.
The effectiveness of Covid-19 injections fades in a matter of months. You can never fully vaccinate everyone when we have ongoing mutations and diminishing immunity.
#7. Covid-19 injections have a poor safety profile.
Compared to traditional vaccines, the frequency and severity of adverse events is frightening. There have been more deaths reported following the COVID-19 injections s than in all of the other vaccines administered since 1990 combined.
#8. For many, the risks of Covid-19 injections outweigh the benefits.
For children and younger adults, the risks often exceed the benefits. For the immune-compromised, the risks often exceed the benefits. A person who has already recovered from Covid-19 has 6 to 13 times better immunity than the Pfizer vaccine provides; injecting this person is all risk and no benefit. For older adults, the benefits may exceed the known risks, but many of the risks are unknown, so it’s hard to know for sure. That the risks are different in different populations is well known by the FDA. Consider this quote from the FDA Summary Basis for Regulatory Action of COMIRNATY (The BioNTech Covid Vaccine), page 23:

The determination of the risk benefit ratio for any given individual should be done by that individual in consultation with their health care team; the government is ill equipped to make that determination.

#9. Our health care decisions should be up to us, not the government.
After the horrors of the medical experiments Jews and others were subjected to in Nazi Germany, the international community established the Nuremberg Code to protect people. We can’t have the informed consent the Nuremberg Code requires (and later the Declaration of Helsinki) unless the risks are known, and with Covid-19 injections, they aren’t. Are we really going to push for laws that violate this previously lauded principle? Two years ago, this was unthinkable. We should be allowed to decide in consultation with their health care practitioners. Allow vaccination? Yes. Encourage vaccination? Sure. Require vaccination? Absolutely not.
#10. The injections may be driving the evolution of variants.
The Coronavirus is well known to mutate, and this was true before injections as well. Unlike the multifaceted approach of the body’s natural immunity, Covid-19 injections target a specific spike protein. By focusing narrowly on the spike protein, Covid-19 injections create consistent evolutionary pressure on the virus to evolve around the spike protein. Delta seems to be an example of that.
#11. The viral loads for vaccinated people who contract the Delta variant is just as high as for unvaccinated people who contract the Delta variant.

#12. The pharma companies providing the injections have legal immunity.
The Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) makes it so there is no financial risk to the vaccine producers if you die or become disabled. That means these corporations will not be held accountable for any harmful effects and the individuals who are vaccinated bear 100% of the risk.
#13. The COMIRNATY BioNTech injection now has FDA approval, but you can’t get it in the USA.
The FDA approved the BioNTech COMIRNATY Covid injection, but they also kept the Emergency Use Authorization for Pfizer’s EUA version (Pfizer and BioNTech partnered to produce the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine). They may be the same substance (that’s unclear), and the FDA says they have the same efficacy and safety profile, but they are “legally distinct.” The legal distinction is that, because of the PREP Act, Pfizer has no liability for the safety of the EUA version, but would be liable for any approved version. Pfizer has many doses of the EUA version, but COMIRNATY is unavailable in the USA (I believe it is available in Europe). The stated reason for providing full approval is to encourage the “vaccine hesitant” to get it, but no one in the USA can get the approved version and pharma companies maintain legal immunity here.
#14. Mandates are only legal for a fully approved injection.
The government can’t require people to take an unapproved substance. The Covid-19 vaccines under EUA are not fully approved. This legal sleight of hand – to approve the injection to allow mandates, yet not make the approved version available – is morally reprehensible. If the injections are so safe and effective, why does pharma need legal immunity?
#15. The data used to approve COMIRNATY did not include efficacy data for the variants.
The FDA played fast and loose with the data used for the approval by only including data through March 13, 2021, thereby only including efficacy data from the original strain of SARS-Cov2. Efficacy with Delta is likely to be much less than the stated 95%, and could be less than 50%, which is the threshold used to allow an EUA to move forward. Full approval of a vaccine usually takes years. Shouldn’t full approval have higher standards than an EUA? See page 23 of the Summary Basis for Regulatory Action – COMIRNATY for date verification.

#16. The FDA has likely experienced regulatory capture.
In June 2021, the FDA approved the Alzheimer’s drug Aducanuman, despite their own advisory panel voting against it (10 against and one abstention). With plenty of examples like this one it requires a high degree of cognitive dissonance to believe the FDA is not influenced by pharma for a drug where the market is a relatively small portion of the population, yet consider them beyond reproach when dealing with a drug whose market is the entire human population of the planet multiplied by the number of injections. Are we willing to bet the future of humanity that the FDA/pharma is acting with integrity?
#17. There are safe, effective, and inexpensive treatments for Covid-19.
The standard of care for Covid-19 patients in most clinical settings has been to send them home until they can’t breathe on their own, as which point they are hospitalized. Yet many doctors and front line critical care practitioners have challenged this do nothing approach and developed treatment protocols using safe and effective treatments using readily available nutrients and off label drugs. These are estimated to work to prevent death or serious complication in 85% of early treatment patients. Too many have died or experienced serious health consequences due to the systemic repression and lack of support of these protocols. We need to take a sober look at who benefits from this repression.
#18. We need a control group.
If you think the injections will protect you and provide a long-term benefit, you should be free to make that choice. If we were able to get 100% compliance to a mandate, who will be left if there are disastrous unintended consequences? Every experiment needs a control group, and many have volunteered for that group. Let them make that choice.
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Here's an exercise for you if you have the time and this takes the convo back to what this is all about.

Visit your local COVID ward and ask each patient in ICU if they're vaccinated against COVID. (The ones that are intubated can't have much of a convo so you'll have to ask their nice nurse).

Once you've gathered the data, group them by vaccination status and compare. The result should be interesting and enlightening.

If you don't have the time to take the above steps just know that an unvaccinated person is 16 times more likely to land themselves an ICU stay. This is NSW government information released late September.

ICU nurses have reported instances of patients asking for the vaccine just before they're intubated, but it's too late then.

#reality

www.abc.net.au

Unvaccinated Victorians make up 98% of total ICU COVID admissions

Trusted and independent source of local, national and world news. In-depth analysis, business, sport, weather and more.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
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jathanas said:
Here's an exercise for you if you have the time and this takes the convo back to what this is all about.

Visit your local COVID ward and ask each patient in ICU if they're vaccinated against COVID. (The ones that are intubated can't have much of a convo so you'll have to ask their nice nurse).

Once you've gathered the data, group them by vaccination status and compare. The result should be interesting and enlightening.

If you don't have the time to take the above steps just know that an unvaccinated person is 16 times more likely to land themselves an ICU stay. This is NSW government information released late September.

ICU nurses have reported instances of people in ICU asking for the vaccine before they're intubated, but it's too late then.

#reality

www.abc.net.au

Unvaccinated Victorians make up 98% of total ICU COVID admissions

Trusted and independent source of local, national and world news. In-depth analysis, business, sport, weather and more.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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I like my anti-vaxers in a tuxedo t-shirt.

 
Volunteered for the Astra Zeneca before Pfizer was opened to my age group and you could get the AZ if you wanted to.

So I did.

Had a headache the day after the first dose which was to be expected and it had gone away by that night. No reaction to the second dose whatsoever. Will happily get a booster if that's the recommendation in the coming months.

I also couldn't give a flying * what gets put in my body so long as it's scientifically advised and is not illegal so to be honest, I actually loved the whole experience. If I could get vaccinated again I would, I really just don't give a s**t.
 
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