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Cricket Thread: Ashes done, 4-1

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Mostyn said:
Surely Weatherald is gone. It would have been a flip of the coin whether to give him a chance and he's wasted it. I think that's definitely Renshaw, unless Kellaway somehow bolts forward.

Labuschagne still somehow has credits in the bank. He stays, though it's a frustration.

Khawaja retiring means they avoid any difficult Green and Webster questions, as both can stay. Inglis was always outside the best 11.

I guess there's a question over spinners, though Murphy seems a fair way ahead of Kuhnemann, who had to change states to get a guaranteed game.

There's a great mix of young quicks coming through so I don't think I they're losing much sleep over that.
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Labuschagne needs to go imo.

Averages for last 3 years is more than a form slump. He struggles to make 50's now.
28.8
25.6
27.1

McSweeney should be given a go in our middle order rather than as an opener.
 
With batters it seems we pick them too early drop them and forget about them.
Then go to older players. (Probably do this more so)
Can’t we pick some 22/23 yo’s and back them in?
Also how’s that young quick red head bloke going.
Saw some u19 highlights and he looks a great prospect.
 
Eagleboy2011 said:
Kane McGoodwin how does this compare with your list? :think:





And then the BBC had this :eek:


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Mine was the same as BBC one, except I had Nesser instead of Archer.

Nesser 15 wickets @ 19.93
Archer 9 wickets @ 27.11

BBC readers clearly drunk on this one! More voted for Archer than Bolland.

Lol, at 9% who didn't have Head in their side. Must be Pommy Skulls.
 

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Zak Crawley – 5 – Averaged 27, which was entirely predictable at the beginning of the series. Did not live up to the billing of a man backed for Australia and should not be guaranteed a place for the home summer.

Ben Duckett – 3 – Arrived with a reputation as one of the best all-format batters in the world, leaves with career at a crossroads. Did not pass 50, dropped catches and was caught on video in Noosa. Now goes to England's white-ball tours and the Indian Premier League, when a break might be the smart option.

Jacob Bethell – 7 – Where has he been? How different might England's tour have turned out had they backed Bethell sooner? Only two Tests, but a vital 40 in Melbourne was followed by a coming-of-age 154 in Sydney. England's new number three.

Joe Root – 7 – Finally ticked off the Test century in Australia and got another in Sydney, but not much else. Still England's best batter at 35 and wants to come back in four years. Where would they be without him?

Harry Brook – 5 – Should have been the series when he announced himself as a Test mega-star and instead was one of too many frustrating dismissals. Has a lot on his plate as white-ball captain - is that hindering his development as a Test batter?

Ben Stokes – 6 – Another England captain to be beaten down under and will not get another chance to win a series here. England's best bowler, below his best with the bat and a poor series tactically. Gets an extra mark for shouldering the burden of the many team-mates that let him down.

Jamie Smith – 3 – Like Duckett, arrived as an England banker and leaves with his international future in doubt. Mistakes with the gloves and too many soft dismissals - his shot in Sydney encapsulated England's bone-headed tour. Dropped from the white-ball teams, is a Test axe next?

Will Jacks – 5 – Did what he was asked to do, which was bowl some part-time off-spin and bat at eight - it is just that no-one expected him to do it in four Tests. Would be unfair to judge on a role Jacks isn't really qualified for. When might he play another Test?

Brydon Carse – 6 – A total of 22 wickets for a fast bowler has been bettered only by James Anderson and Ian Botham on England Ashes tours in the past 55 years. The numbers don't quite tell the story of how often he sprayed the ball. Having the durability to play all five Tests says plenty about his character.

Matthew Potts – 1 – Probably harsh, given the hand he was dealt. His sole appearance in Sydney was tough to watch. Mistreated by England - in and out, ignored for a year, then dropped into an Ashes Test. Will surely slip further down the pecking order.

Josh Tongue – 7 – Didn't play until the third Test, then managed to pick up 18 wickets. One of the few England players to leave Australia with his reputation enhanced and should be in the first-choice attack come the summer.

Mark Wood – 2 – A Herculean effort to get fit, only for his series to end after bowling 11 overs in the first Test. Will he play for England again?

Jofra Archer – 6 – Bowled better than a total of nine wickets would suggest and at times was among England's best batters. Injured after three matches as a reminder (if it was needed) he will need constant managing through the remainder of his Test career.

Ollie Pope – 3 – Started with promise, then predictably faded to be rightly dropped after three Tests. Did not repay faith shown in him and should have to work very hard for another chance.

Gus Atkinson – 3 – One of the many who wilted in the first two Tests, then hinted at something near his best in the fourth, only to get injured. No longer a guaranteed part of England's first-choice attack.

Shoaib Bashir – 0 – Was earmarked for this tour in an experiment of building a spinner from raw materials, then could not get a game in any of the five Tests.
 
Jake Weatherald – 4 – Started well with vital cameos in the first two Tests, only to be found out later in the series. An Ashes winner, but possibly not Australia's long-term opener, doesn't walk.

Travis Head – 10 – The best three-format batter in the world and a likeable superstar. His elevation to opener altered the course of the series and three hundreds mean the spot is his to keep. This was the Travball Ashes.

Marnus Labuschagne - 5 - Yet to score the runs that fully justify his recall at number three. Gets an extra mark for his catching - he took three stunners. Unclear whether his bowling deserves praise or eradicating from cricket history, doesn't walk.

Steve Smith – 7 – Was below his best with the bat until a predictable century in Sydney. Stood-in as captain for Pat Cummins in four Tests, which means he did not have Cummins the bowler at his disposal, yet still engineered an Ashes triumph.

Usman Khawaja – 5 – A strange culmination to his career. Khawaja's Ashes will be remembered for the batting he did not do in Perth, rather than the innings he played everywhere else.

Alex Carey – 9 – One of the greatest exhibitions of glovework ever seen in a Test series and handy runs at number six, including a hometown century in Adelaide. Admitted to not walking in the same knock, setting the wheels in motion for the Snicko revelation, doesn't walk. Hit winning runs in Sydney to seal 4-1 series win.

Cameron Green – 4 – Losing his way after being earmarked as the future face of the Australian team. Injuries are limiting his bowling and a lack of runs have him slipping down the order - possibly to number 12.

Beau Webster – 5 – When he finally got his chance he made the runs that should put pressure on Green's place, then proved how versatile he is with his off-breaks.

Michael Neser – 7 – Out of Test cricket for three years then recalled as injury cover and a pink-ball specialist. Did a fine job as the sort of medium-fast bowler England have shown disdain for.

Mitchell Starc – 10 – This series was essentially decided in the first two Tests and Starc was the primary reason Australia won both. Faded slightly towards the end, but at his best gave off Mitchell Johnson 2013-14 vibes - there can be no higher praise.

Scott Boland – 7 – Not quite the heights of his debut series four years ago, though did more than enough to banish the demons of a tough 2023 Ashes in England.

Brendan Doggett – 4 – Covered for injuries in the first two Tests and claimed a respectable seven wickets. May never add to his two Test caps, yet is an Ashes winner with a 100% record.

Pat Cummins – 6 – Astonishing effort to have played even one Test, given the severity of his back injury. In his sole appearance in Adelaide, Cummins bowled magnificently and was the captain that sealed the Ashes. Will now plot the bid for a holy grail win in 2027.

Nathan Lyon – 4 – Was making an impact in Adelaide before being struck by another injury. Will want to be part of 2027 Ashes, but surely there will be questions over his fitness and the role of spin in England.

Josh Inglis – 3 – Australia won the two Tests he played, even if he did not take his chance. May get another opportunity as a result of Khawaja's retirement, or could fall down the pecking order.

Jhye Richardson – 2 – Like Wood, deserves huge credit for coming back from injuries to play Test cricket, albeit for one match and 9.2 overs. Should get another chance.
 
Brook is the one if I am England fan to be most disappointed in

I get bazball and I get wanting to dominate but there are better ways of doing it

Though to be fair Australias bowlers let themselves down by bowling shortish to him. My instructions would have been at the pegs - yorkers pitched up etc - even a slow ball every now and then. Just no imagination against him
 
GreyCrow said:
Brook is the one if I am England fan to be most disappointed in

I get bazball and I get wanting to dominate but there are better ways of doing it

Though to be fair Australias bowlers let themselves down by bowling shortish to him. My instructions would have been at the pegs - yorkers pitched up etc - even a slow ball every now and then. Just no imagination against him
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Brook is the one who walked in with an average of 60. With 10 goes at bat, there should have been 2 tons in that time in an effort that was OK, to come out with nil was just very, very poor. His dismissal in Perth in the second was atrocious, at a time when they were on top, to come out and give his wicket up was unacceptable.
 
spenze said:
Brook is the one who walked in with an average of 60. With 10 goes at bat, there should have been 2 tons in that time in an effort that was OK, to come out with nil was just very, very poor. His dismissal in Perth in the second was atrocious, at a time when they were on top, to come out and give his wicket up was unacceptable.
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Even this Test when they needed 50-70 more he threw it away
 
spenze said:
Jake Weatherald – 4 – Started well with vital cameos in the first two Tests, only to be found out later in the series. An Ashes winner, but possibly not Australia's long-term opener, doesn't walk.

Travis Head – 10 – The best three-format batter in the world and a likeable superstar. His elevation to opener altered the course of the series and three hundreds mean the spot is his to keep. This was the Travball Ashes.

Marnus Labuschagne - 5 - Yet to score the runs that fully justify his recall at number three. Gets an extra mark for his catching - he took three stunners. Unclear whether his bowling deserves praise or eradicating from cricket history, doesn't walk.

Steve Smith – 7 – Was below his best with the bat until a predictable century in Sydney. Stood-in as captain for Pat Cummins in four Tests, which means he did not have Cummins the bowler at his disposal, yet still engineered an Ashes triumph.

Usman Khawaja – 5 – A strange culmination to his career. Khawaja's Ashes will be remembered for the batting he did not do in Perth, rather than the innings he played everywhere else.

Alex Carey – 9 – One of the greatest exhibitions of glovework ever seen in a Test series and handy runs at number six, including a hometown century in Adelaide. Admitted to not walking in the same knock, setting the wheels in motion for the Snicko revelation, doesn't walk. Hit winning runs in Sydney to seal 4-1 series win.

Cameron Green – 4 – Losing his way after being earmarked as the future face of the Australian team. Injuries are limiting his bowling and a lack of runs have him slipping down the order - possibly to number 12.

Beau Webster – 5 – When he finally got his chance he made the runs that should put pressure on Green's place, then proved how versatile he is with his off-breaks.

Michael Neser – 7 – Out of Test cricket for three years then recalled as injury cover and a pink-ball specialist. Did a fine job as the sort of medium-fast bowler England have shown disdain for.

Mitchell Starc – 10 – This series was essentially decided in the first two Tests and Starc was the primary reason Australia won both. Faded slightly towards the end, but at his best gave off Mitchell Johnson 2013-14 vibes - there can be no higher praise.

Scott Boland – 7 – Not quite the heights of his debut series four years ago, though did more than enough to banish the demons of a tough 2023 Ashes in England.

Brendan Doggett – 4 – Covered for injuries in the first two Tests and claimed a respectable seven wickets. May never add to his two Test caps, yet is an Ashes winner with a 100% record.

Pat Cummins – 6 – Astonishing effort to have played even one Test, given the severity of his back injury. In his sole appearance in Adelaide, Cummins bowled magnificently and was the captain that sealed the Ashes. Will now plot the bid for a holy grail win in 2027.

Nathan Lyon – 4 – Was making an impact in Adelaide before being struck by another injury. Will want to be part of 2027 Ashes, but surely there will be questions over his fitness and the role of spin in England.

Josh Inglis – 3 – Australia won the two Tests he played, even if he did not take his chance. May get another opportunity as a result of Khawaja's retirement, or could fall down the pecking order.

Jhye Richardson – 2 – Like Wood, deserves huge credit for coming back from injuries to play Test cricket, albeit for one match and 9.2 overs. Should get another chance.
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They're really sore aren't they
 

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Looks like Stokes is finally coming to terms with the fact that they should review how they play and that it hasn't been working. Bizarre that it took 5 tests to admit it when it was blatantly obvious from the start.

What's more bizarre is that McCullum still won't admit it. Keeps referring to 'convictions'. Time to swallow your pride mate.

All round strange effort from England. In this day and age of professionalism, how could the majority of a team keep making the same avoidable mistakes over such a long period of time? You'd think some of the players may have taken ownership themselves despite with McCullum tells them. Players like Smith and Brook looked at ease playing normal cricket so it's not as if batting with more care takes them out of their comfort zone. Their bowling was okay at times but inferior to even a second string Australian attack. Way too loose. Fielding obviously very poor.

Australia weren't exactly convincing neither despite the injuries. It's already been said, but the batting line up is still a big concern with only a few safe selections. I think England was close to the mark in saying that our side was weak especially with Cummins and Hazlewood injured. England were just worse.
 
FR0GGY said:
With batters it seems we pick them too early drop them and forget about them.
Then go to older players. (Probably do this more so)
Can’t we pick some 22/23 yo’s and back them in?
Also how’s that young quick red head bloke going.
Saw some u19 highlights and he looks a great prospect.
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No we dont. We pick batsmen early, give them experience then drop them to ripen. Then we bring them back.

Ponting, Hayden, Langer, Waugh, Smith - I feel like this happens consistently.
 
Mostyn said:
No we dont. We pick batsmen early, give them experience then drop them to ripen. Then we bring them back.

Ponting, Hayden, Langer, Waugh, Smith - I feel like this happens consistently.
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How long ago were they 😂
Renshaw, konstas, usman, mcsweeny (slightly older)

Then you have the older players of Cowan, Bailey, voges, Neville, finch, Ferguson, Bancroft, harris, wetherald
I’m sure I’ve missed a few
 
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Kane McGoodwin said:
Mine was the same as BBC one, except I had Nesser instead of Archer.

Nesser 15 wickets @ 19.93
Archer 9 wickets @ 27.11

BBC readers clearly drunk on this one! More voted for Archer than Bolland.

Lol, at 9% who didn't have Head in their side. Must be Pommy Skulls.
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I don't reckon you can justify Stokes as an all rounder this series. He averaged 18 with that bat which is horrible for that role. He only would make it on the merits of his bowling.

Here's my combined XI based on who played the best cricket in the series (not overall contribution)

1. Head
2. Crawley but only just
3. Root
4. Smith
5. Brook
6. Carey
7. Starc was the best performed all rounder
8. Neser
9. Cummins even though he only played one Test
10. Tongue
11. Boland
 
Scorpus said:
I don't reckon you can justify Stokes as an all rounder this series. He averaged 18 with that bat which is horrible for that role. He only would make it on the merits of his bowling.

Here's my combined XI based on who played the best cricket in the series (not overall contribution)

1. Head
2. Crawley but only just
3. Root
4. Smith
5. Brook
6. Carey
7. Starc was the best performed all rounder
8. Neser
9. Cummins even though he only played one Test
10. Tongue
11. Boland
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Imo, can't justify picking a player who only played 1 of 5 tests & wasn’t even man of the match.

The England captain had far more influence than the permanent Australian captain on the series. Stokes was good with the ball, even though a little disappointing with the bat. Reckon he got tired towards the end carrying his team.
 

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